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Date: December 26, 2005
Categories: Random craziness
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in December 26th, 2005 @ 08:23I created this topic so you’d have a place to discuss RPGs in general and to sort out problems on specific ones you might be involved in. But I’m also curious about the whole Mary Sue/Sparklypoo phenomenon. As I said on “December Blizzard”:
>> What’s wrong with being a Mary Sue? It seems natural enough to want to be smarter, more attractive, and more powerful than you are, and identifying yourself with characters like that is one of the guilty (or not-so-guilty) pleasures of reading fantasy. So why the prejudice against it in fanfiction and role-playing games? Is it just the equally natural human desire to feel superior to other people? Do MSs somehow spoil the game for other players? Or is this just one of those things that’s OK to do in private but not in public?
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Phoenix
in December 26th, 2005 @ 10:04Yes, it is. But I think that, as long as your charecter is reasonably human you shlould be able to do it. I have compiled a list of charecters in pretty well-known books that are Mary-Sues:
Rhapsody— from the trilogy Rhapsody, Prophecy and Destiny
Eragon— from Eldest when he becomes an elf
Belgarion in The Mallorean (but not in t\The Belgariad)
Polgara and Belgarath— in thier corresponding novels
the little girl, I can’t remember her name from The Black god, the book I mixed up with Grant’s
Peter from Pegasus in Flight (except that he was completely paralized, but he was telekinetic and so could move any way he wanted)List open.
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Phoebe
in December 26th, 2005 @ 10:29I just put a comment in reply to that comment on the Dec. Blizzard… Oops…
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 26th, 2005 @ 11:12Mary Sues spoil the whole thing. Especially in battle-type rpgs. Like this…
Mary Sue: Let’s fight a duel.
Random Person: Ok. I shoot my laser beams of death at you before you’re ready.
Mary Sue: *blocks laser beams of death* I fire an arrow
Random Person: *jumps on top of Random Person and holds her knife up to his throat while pinning his arms and legs down*
now what can Mary Sue do? Not much to be done with the situation. But Mary Sue, being an Mary Sue, decides…
Mary Sue: My giant bear comes out and eats you.
???? a giant bear??? um no. here you are, you thought you’d won, and she gives herself a giant bear. This is just an example btw, this probably wouldn’t happen in a real rpg cuz there’d be rules against it and ways to get things. (like you couldn’t just suddenly give yourself a giant bear. But if you had a giant bear, you could use it.) but it happens in bad rpgs a lot. The one’s with major loopholes and little control that are populated by mary sues…i shudder at the thought of them *shudder* But luckily there are a lot of good ones out there.
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Phoebe
in December 26th, 2005 @ 11:56And now, Phoenix’s problem: She isn’t a Mary Sue, because she has character flaws. But if she’s even a particle elf, someone’s gonna come along saying their dad is Legolas the character has special elven powers.
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MontgomeryGurl
in December 26th, 2005 @ 12:23What’s a Mary Sue? Is it someone with unlimited power, or what?
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Zallie
in December 26th, 2005 @ 12:25In RPGs, Sues can be especially problematic, because they tend to dominate the scenes. RPGs aren’t any good if there’s one person/character who constantly takes over and does everything his/her way. It’s just safer to keep away from them.
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Axa
in December 26th, 2005 @ 12:39I rarely come across Mary Sues in RPGs, as I am mostly in Warriors ones. Sometimes there’s the odd kid who can’t spell or grasp the concept of capitalizing. But in fanfiction, it’s terrible.
Example:
“I’m Ayame! I’m Sirius’s long lost daughter. Even though I’m only thirteen, I’ve been an Aminagus as long as I can remember. Did I mention I’m Snape’s cousin’s mother’s sister’s aunt? And Dumbledore’s uncle’s father’s cousin’s chef’s sister? So I guess I have connections! And I love both Ron AND Harry, whoops! Oh but Hermione and Ginny love me after I help them with their studies and bullies, because I’m just so nice! Oh yeah, and I’m also a Prefect and captain of the Quidditch team! But really, all I want is love”
Really, read Sparklypoo for an example. Look up Sparklypoo with Google, it’s the first site listed. Pirate Monkey, or something.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in December 26th, 2005 @ 12:43As you might expect, Wikipedia explains Mary Sues well.
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kricket
in December 26th, 2005 @ 13:34a mary-sue is someone who is perfect and can do anything and practically allways wins at everything, battles, and all that stuff… i think… at least that’s the picture i’m getting.. is that right?
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Sphinx
in December 26th, 2005 @ 13:52I just read Sparkylpoo. I can see why you wouldn’t want the color-changing eyes. Although really, I wouldn’t mind having Legolas as my Charms teacher……
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Ebeth the Lurker
in December 26th, 2005 @ 14:02aah wikipedia *groans*
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Lizzie
in December 26th, 2005 @ 15:24You should also read the Naked Snape comic, while you’re at it… Click “back to snape” on the bottom of the screen of the sparklypoo comic and then it’s the third comic on the top row, I believe, right after sparklypoo.
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Axa
in December 26th, 2005 @ 16:55Awww, I was going to say WIkipedia. Darn.
Naked Snape comic was great. XD
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 26th, 2005 @ 17:14erm…frightened…
good stuffins though. read all the comics. minus the one w/the warning on it. funny stuff…
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Em
in December 26th, 2005 @ 18:48funny.
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kricket
in December 26th, 2005 @ 18:57Em are you like living on here because all i see are your comments on the home page!!!! i mean i type a comment and when i come back i see mine is modefied and yours is too!! it’s so wierd!!! no seriously do you have such a boring life that the only thing to do is come on this site?
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Phoebe
in December 26th, 2005 @ 19:01There’s another good Mary Sue comic somewhere, I’ll see if I can locate it.
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Em
in December 26th, 2005 @ 19:38maybe. well um… yes. my new new years resolution is to stop posting so many posts now. and anyway, i have an abnormal fear of the telephone. *sniff*
oh now you’ve gone and made me sad. i will go and read all of those back issue muses i got for christmas. eventually my excitment over finding a place where i can mingle with musers will die down, and i will forget about museblog. so i will go away now. bye…
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in December 26th, 2005 @ 19:44“Boring life”? And what is so terribly wrong with MuseBlog, pray tell?
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 26th, 2005 @ 20:15life life life.when are you people gonna realize that lives are boring in themselves? more trouble than they’re worth.
Em you have no life be proud! Join the “I Have No Life” club!!!
trust me peoples, it rocks.
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Phoenix
in December 26th, 2005 @ 20:16Well, I don’t see what is wrong with her, but I can cut out the 1/154 or summut like that elf part if you really think it’s nessesary. I write a lot (and much better than my writing sample, I assure you, I just made that up on the spur of the moment) and I know the hazards of a Mary-Sue character. It absolutely kills the plot. Like, in the first story I ever wrote about MAP, Zyviva shows up and she is all powerful. I had to really cut back on her abilities, and even now she needs Steel to balance her. But I can assure you, Emily is not a Mary-Sue. I play fair, peoples.
I still get to keep the eyes.
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Axa
in December 26th, 2005 @ 21:19Hmph. I was just rather rudely snubbed. :sniffs: Never try to be nice on anime RPGs kids, it’s a tough crowd. Okay, just that one girl.
Actually, I’m curious. WHat do y’all do when there’s a rather unnice person on an RPG? I’ve rarely come across anyone who’s mean to me- this girl just made an offhand comment that seems rude. Do you ignore them? Or-if you’re on Proboards- actually use the karma option? Eh? Eh?
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Phoenix
in December 26th, 2005 @ 21:36What happened? Was she really mean or just rude?
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Em
in December 26th, 2005 @ 21:57i thought t was the Bored Club?
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Axa
in December 26th, 2005 @ 23:19Feh, just rude.I made a comment that the website in the link she provided was good for videos (it was Youtube), and she was just like “No duh”. It wasn’t much, but considering I was just trying to be nice to her, I was slightly offended.
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Sphinx
in December 27th, 2005 @ 06:37Everyone always says go tell a teavher, but I say dis her back.
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Phoenix
in December 27th, 2005 @ 08:43Just don’t respond. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against a good dis-back, but here it dosn’t seem appropriate. Or just post, ‘that wasn’t nice.’ I mean, ‘that was nae nice’, but she prob’ly would nae undertand it.
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KitKat
in December 27th, 2005 @ 10:13I’ve never been on a full-time RPG. What are they like? Is it like the RPG the MB has or something else I am uneducated about?
Mary Sues sound mean.Random Player: You will die!
*1 billion greatly trained and equiped soldiers all lined up.*Mary Sue: Ppphhh. *waves hand destroys them all*
Like that?
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Ebeth the Lurker
in December 27th, 2005 @ 11:36yep that’d be a mary sue.
ok Em, how about the Bored People With No Life Club? BPWNLC?
hey axa i ususally ignore people like that. let them be miserable, i’m gonna have fun. besides, sometimes they have guilty consciences and if you ignore them they will get really guilty about it cuz they were expecting you to get them back and they’re nicer for a while. That doesn’t happen often, but we can dream right?
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 27th, 2005 @ 12:22What sort of RPGs are we talking about here? Everyone seems to be gravitating toward the website varitety, but there’s also the role-the-dice sort and the videogame ones. I like the videogame ones, personally. Link rules!!! I know, I’m a geek, but I don’t care. And what the heck is “sparklypoo”?!
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Axa
in December 27th, 2005 @ 12:44Heh, she hasn’t even been on the site in a couple days, so I win! AHAHAHA AXA PREVAILS!
The best RPG ever is Warriors: Through the Seasons. Everyone there is really nice and loooveesss literacy, so our post tend to be at least a paragraph, usually more per post. Some of my best internet pallies are on there. :sniff:
KitKat- It varies. Usually, people are nice, but there’s always the stupid kid who thnks that just because no one can see him/her, he/she can be mean and get away with it. Sorry to say, but IP addressess can be banned, HAW HAW HAW! I WIN AGAIN!
Er, yeah, but most RPGs are on either Proboards or Invisionfree. I prefer Proboards, personally.
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Ebeth the Lurker
in December 27th, 2005 @ 12:49Google it. It’s a funny mary sue comic strip.
i do text rpgs. proboards, chat rooms, stuff like that.
we’re all geeks here. go us!
yes that’s a compliment to anybody who happens to be feeling offended right now…
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Axa
in December 27th, 2005 @ 12:52I didn’t see your comment, Moose, but I lurve Link as well! And other games, though I do like Animal Crossing.
Sparklypoo is a lovely example of Mary Sues in action.
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Em
in December 27th, 2005 @ 12:58yes, thats sounds good. anybody who wants to join must spend at least 2 hrs on the museblog per diem and post 6 times every 15 minutes.
today i am 13 2/3. i know it sounds kind of stupid to observe your 2/3 birthday. i also know that this is unrelated to the thread. oh well.
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Phoebe
in December 27th, 2005 @ 13:42Well, there are a bunch of nasty – tempered characters on my Proboards site. We don’t use the Karma for the the character being mean, we use it for good writing, etc., being fair and stuff. Thataway not everyone is pressured to be perfect, which only promotes the Mary Sue techinques.
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Phoebe
in December 27th, 2005 @ 13:44Well, I think you can keep the itsy bitsy elf part in you as long as Emily doesn’t flaunt it to much, or better yet, not really mention it.
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Sphinx
in December 27th, 2005 @ 15:43Pheobe, who makes the avatars?
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Phoebe
in December 27th, 2005 @ 16:35Moi, actually.
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 27th, 2005 @ 16:39I assume, Axa, that when you say you “lurve Link” that you mean love. Am I right? Actually, lurve sounds like a pretty cool word, but what does it mean? How about this:
lurve (lerv) v. 1. to be obsessed with, consumed by. 2. to have a strong, freakish affection for (an inanimate object) [from modern English love, misspelled to lurve. Used exclusively by geeks on the museblog.]
If anyone has a better idea for the definition of lurve, feel free to say so. Animal Crossing is cool, but with no endpoint, it gets kind of monotonous. Still, it’s fun. I have this wolf in my village named “Wolfgang” and when he asked for a catch-phrase, I made him say “!@%&!?#”.
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Axa
in December 27th, 2005 @ 17:00Yup, I meant love. And I meant the game(s) itself/themselves so y’all know.
My brother’s looking for the DS version of AC which I must own.
I make avatars, though it’s not really worht mentioning. XD
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 27th, 2005 @ 17:39I don’t have a DS, but I’m planning on getting one. I have a small collection of Best Buy gift cards and the price went down a while ago, so I won’t have to cough up that much cash. The Animal Crossing DS game looks really cool, as does Tony Hawk’s American Sk8land. (OK, the Tony Hawk games aren’t exactly RPGs, but close enough.) Question: does anyone here subscribe to Nintendo Power? I do. It’s great.
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Phoebe
in December 27th, 2005 @ 18:20No, my family has zero video games. Gameboys, Nintendoes, X-Boxes, or otherwise. Nothin’ but good old fashioned computer games, Sims 2, and Age of Empires, for intance. Those are really fun ones, though.
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 27th, 2005 @ 20:05Computer games count as video games. Sometimes they’re the best kind because you can use the mouse for a lot of stuff that is tricky on a console.
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Phoenix
in December 27th, 2005 @ 21:38I play roll-the-dice (otherwise known as D20) rpgs. I am, in fact, the dungeonmaster for a temporarily-suspended local chapter of D&D (Dungeons and Dragons). We D&D players never get Mary-Sues, as we roll stats and moves. When, say, your person wants to hit a goblin with thier +1 longsword, you first roll a D20 (20-sided die) to see your attack points, adding your base attack bonus. If your roll overcomes the AC (armor class) of the goblin, you hit him. Then you roll for damage. A longsword has D8 damage, so you roll a D8 and then add your bonus. This prevents cheaters, because everything is random, your chances increasing with experience (an 11th level paladin is more likely to hit the goblin than a 4th level paladin because her attack bonus goes up with experiance). unfortunately, it is very very hard to regulate a D20 system on a message board rpg, b/c the mods can’t be on every second.
Anyway, I wasn’t planning on playing it out at all; it was just me way of fleshing out the charecter. As I said, I am a dungeonmaster and I know how to avoid Mary-Sues, and I am used to adding lots of detail to my charecters. For instance, one of my D&D charecters is a dwarven ranger who hates “fancy” metals, and thinks gems are worthless. He cuts his beard short, unlike other dwarves, to maximaize his dexterity, has one green eye and one blue eye, never combs his hair if he can help it, has a broken fourth toe on his left foot, limps slightly because of this, has a pet bat, once met a giant and disliked him so much they are now his favored enemy… details, details. However, I hardly ever mention this in the game.
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Sphinx
in December 27th, 2005 @ 22:02Would you mind making me one?
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Queen Julietaini the Flamablamablous of Kiador (Queenie J)
in December 28th, 2005 @ 10:06NOW I’m confused. Phoenix, dwarves are SUPPOSED to mine metal and have long beards and drool over things like hematite. (I am NOTHING if not a stickler for accuracy.) I’m usually not a Mary-Sue type person. I tend to commmandeer them into death traps. Maybe we should make a list of six characters we’d like to be, then roll a die to decide stats. Actually, I’ll only agree with the die rolling if everyone promises to remember that die-singular and dice-plural.
Or we could be democratic and write up characters for the other people to be. You always wind up with a bunch of illegitimate children that way, though. Which is fine, if Mr. Coontz doesn’t turn green. (Check out Nenriel O.N.I.P., man!) Are we going to let people have sidekicks (foxes, drag(o/y/i)ns, gryffins, eagles, Babel fish, etc.) , or are sidekicks something you get if you’re really bad?
I could have SOOOOOO much fun designing RPG utopia, or Shangri-La for Mary-Sue haters…provided with the right materials. I think the best thing to do is pair people up and have them make characters for each other.
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 28th, 2005 @ 10:52I’ve never played the D20 kind. For some reason, my Mom thinks Dungeons & Dragons is evil. My character would probably be all weird and goofy…
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Axa
in December 28th, 2005 @ 14:45RARGH!!! :bangs head on laptop: I’m so stupid…Grr. Pity doesn’t pay, kids. I’m stuck on this RPG with a girl who is…well she’s the type who is always talking about how sad she is/ making polls asking if anyone likes her or not, and such. I’m sure you know the type. I’m the only other members, ans she’s a bit clingy, even over the internet. I don’t know what to do , as I don’t want ot ditch her, but I can’t very well spend all my time consoling her/ being on her ridiculous site. She knows me from another site, sos I can’t be like : “I’m not allowed to roleplay anymore, sorry! “either.
Hmph. This is what I get for trying to be nice. =_=
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Phoebe
in December 28th, 2005 @ 14:50Oh, yeah, we will, but it’s hard for me because I need a PC and don’t have one, so I have to use my friends. It might not come up for a while. Sorry.
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Phoebe
in December 28th, 2005 @ 14:51You could just sort of stay away from her. Either that, or make another character and don’t get on your first one anymore.
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Phoebe
in December 28th, 2005 @ 14:53ANOTHER NOTE ON MARY-SUES – You aren’t your character on RPGs. He/she is someone completely different than you.
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Zallie
in December 28th, 2005 @ 15:42! Thank you, Phoebe! That has got to be my number one pet peeve in RPGs. Especially when they get offended when your character calls their character a ‘bad name.’ Goodness, it’s called a Role Playing Game because you take on another ROLE. Therefore you =/= your character. Bah.
Similarly, it’s almost as bad when the characters are based on what the player wishes he/she could be. I wouldn’t call them Sues, necessarily, but they’re pretty darn close.
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Sphinx
in December 28th, 2005 @ 15:51Ok. Could I make myself one, then? I know where you make them.
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Phoebe
in December 28th, 2005 @ 17:50Well, first ou have to save up a ton of points to get the proper stuff anyway, so I dunno. I’ll try to get another batch worked out the next time I’m on a PC. That’s Jackie Binx, Erica James, the new Maheke, and probably Emily for when she joins.
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Sphinx
in December 28th, 2005 @ 18:08Ok, thanks a lot.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 28th, 2005 @ 18:45I am still a tad bitter about the probation thing. You say it was for a variety of reasons that were explained to me. I got 2 PMs, one about “mary sues and their curse” and another immediately after I complained about the slow pace of the plot. This one merely said, and I am relating the entire contents, “You feel that way about this board? Ok. We’ll put you on probation for a few weeks.”
Mary Sue- a perfect character, eh? I’d like to call a witness to the stand: a certain individual named Hermione Granger.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:03There are two components to Sue-ness: at least in fiction, the character must be perfect and universally adored. Hermione annoys even her best friends.
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Sphinx
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:05Yeah, Hermione – NOT a Mary-Sue. Flaws: She’s a know-it-all. Not very good at making friends. Plus, she has a crush on Ron. See? NOT perfect.
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Phoebe
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:11It doesn’t stop everyone from wanting to be like her. On some Sueish RPGs, there are Emma Grangers and Hermione Watsons (hybrid Hermione Grangers and Emma Watsons.).
Pshhh, Sphinx. Ron rocks.
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Phoenix
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:11the reason some people think D&D is evil is b/c some crazy dude played it and thought it was real. So he went to this cave complex and pretended to fight, and when he got killed by a dragon he illed himself. They made a movie out of it, and my D&D books all have a thingie that says, “WARNING: this is a FANTASY game. This game is not meant to be taken seriously”. Really. My dad did nae want me to do it but he was a D&D FANATIC when he was little so he let me, and I have been playing for more than a year and I am not insane or dead yet.
And the point is that my Caver (dwarf ranger) is SUPPOSED to be differant; otherwise he would never have left the caves. D&D works on these little details, a regular RPer can never really get that. I feel superior, I play the ORIGINAL RPG.
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Phoenix
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:17Oh yeah! sing your HP making fun song, Sphinx!
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:31Although some Sues like to have a couple enemies that they can scathingly insult when confronted, to the extreme enjoyment of the Sue’s numerous friends. Plus Mary Sues can show their extreme abilities by foiling their enemie’s plots every single time.
i found an odd rpg today, a kind i’d never seen before-it gives you a little text thing saying where you are and what’s going on and it gives you different options, and you pick one and hit “ok” and it says what happens next. Not like a computer/video game type thing (those rock btw) just a text box. of course i wasted a good five minutes going around in circles cuz i suck at keeping directions in my head…
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 28th, 2005 @ 19:31aaaaah typo pain. That should be “foiling their enemy’s plots” not “enemie’s plots” *slapslap* bad ebeth!!!
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 28th, 2005 @ 20:02Then that eliminates your grounds for calling me a Mary Sue. I am not universally liked.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 28th, 2005 @ 20:19In fact, Niko Miller goes out of his way to annoy me, Zara Cross actually portrays symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder and thus hates me and everyone else, and Mei Li Chang, within her first day of being on the bloody forum, said something along the lines of “this Grant character didn’t seem very nice.” I have a suspicion about Ms. Chang that will not be revealed.
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Axa
in December 28th, 2005 @ 20:23BWAHAHA! RON IS SO STUPID! CAPS LOCK!
My friends are alwasy going on about how much they love Rupert Grint/Ron…ugh. Dan is where it’s at, yo.
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Ishmael
in December 28th, 2005 @ 20:33I made up a parody to Jingle Bells. I don’t remember all of it, but the chorus went like this:
Quidditch balls, Quidditch balls,
Hermione ain’t so smart.
Sure she knows a lot of things,
but she gave Ron her heart.
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Phoebe
in December 28th, 2005 @ 20:44Righto, we shall all shut up about the Grant’s break thing now.
Agreed?
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Zallie
in December 28th, 2005 @ 21:06(Grant, if you still have issues about that, you can PM me about it.)
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Phoebe
in December 29th, 2005 @ 11:02That doesn’t mean that the person who played Mei Li hated you. It seemed like you were threatening her to toss her in the pond to get eaten by the giant squid… So I couldn’t really blame Mei Li’s character. She’s very nervous and shy, you know.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 29th, 2005 @ 11:30You have nearly proven my suspicion correct. I wasn’t threatening to throw her or anyone into the lake.
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Queen Julietaini the Flamablamablous of Kiador (Queenie J)
in December 29th, 2005 @ 11:37What in the name of zarking fardwarks?
Hermione, in the right tentacles/hands/pseupodia according to philum can be a Mary Sue, but ONLY when tortured to such an extent.
Personally, I think Arwen is a Mary Sue. Totally. She has Aragorn, she’s an elf, she’s stunningly gorgeous…I mean, come off it.
I don’t really have time for RPG anymore with all the stuff I’m trying to do, and moving TC to an address I can actually spell, and…well, you know how it is.
Did somebody type up the “I am the very model of a modern maj. general” song from PoP? I love Pirates of Penzance. It’s the ZARKLESEIZURE! Did you hear Tom Lehrer singing the names of the chemical elements to that song? I’m going to go try and play it on the piano…
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 29th, 2005 @ 12:12yeah but the movies totally ruined arwen so now people think she’s a bit of an idiot.
hey axa, look at a pic of dan w/out his makeup.
ron is cool you evil ron haters you.
why don’t we have a hp thread anyway? GAPA?
i just quit an rpg
sad days.
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Axa
in December 29th, 2005 @ 13:17Nooo!!!!! I have seen said picturesssssssss. Daaaaannn is bettterrrrrr :hisssssssssssss:
I think thing you mentioned earlier was Never Ending Story, or something like that? The Magic Scroll? Those are fun, but stupid people can post in it too.
Quitting is hard, you really make good friends, and such.
The Arwen portrayed in the movies isn’t necessarily the Arwen Tolkien wrote on- since he really didn’t. Except for the Appendices. She’s not a Sue because she chose ARAGORN over ETERNAL LIFE. Out of her mind, if you ask me.
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Em
in December 29th, 2005 @ 13:39heh heh I ♥ AOE
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Phoebe
in December 29th, 2005 @ 14:10Yeah, Arwen is pretty Sueish…
Well, you were saying… Oh well. Keep your suspicions to yourself, thanks.
RON IS AWESOME! But in the fourth movie, their hair makes them look like girls. ???!! And Hermione’s Yule Ball Beehive bothers me, too.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 29th, 2005 @ 15:02Ron is a pansy!! He constantly searches for an excuse to have his voice break! “Oh no, a dead cat, time to whine.” Or maybe it’s just Rupert Grint.
But I see you on the hair thing. Ron’s looks ok in the hygiene department, but five minutes with some scissors and he might not look immasculate. Harry, on the other hand: needs washing, trim, comb, or anything else that might make it not look like a dead rat. Or the infamous magic. Use your wand to make your hair look good.
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Queen Julietaini the Flamablamablous of Kiador (Queenie J)
in December 29th, 2005 @ 15:17Hmm…I just read an article that described Grint as kawaii (cute in Japanese, as Axa would tell you). Grint and bear it, he’s here today. Although personally, he looks like a drowned fish to me. *Cough*
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Zallie
in December 29th, 2005 @ 15:17Actually, I think Niko just likes to make Grant uncomfortable about his masculinity, but that could just be me. And Zara doesn’t hate everyone. Grant just got on her bad side by using those spy camera things. She’s not a big fan of Muggle technology, as you can probably guess.
I’d say Arwen’s much more of a Sue in the movies than she is in the books. In the books she’s just sort of there and doesn’t even say much until the third book. In the movies, though, she’s definitely on the Sue borderline, especially since they made her take Glorfindel’s place.
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Phoenix
in December 29th, 2005 @ 15:40Ginny all the way.
Anyway, Arwen in the movie is a Mary Sue, but in the book she barely turns up even three times, and she does nae fight at all. In the movie they made her a warrior and put her in to replace her brother, who was much cooler anyway. But I guess they wanted a woman warrior other that Eowyn, who only turns up in the third movie.
Speaking of which, the other day the Bully and one of his cohorts were being mean to this little intellectual kid. Zyv and I came over and told them to put him down and the kid (who was just sort of hanging limply between them) to fight back for goodness’ sake. They put him down, and the Bully turns to me (Zyviva had left to lecture the cohort) and says, “Well, it’s easy for YOU to tell HIM what to do, but you couldn’t do much better in his place.”
That made me have the mixed rection of cracking up and restraining myself from punching him. Funny, eh? I HATE when I am underestimated just because I’m a girl. One of the numerous reasons I hate adolescant boys is because of that. I just don’t like hurting people.
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Phoenix
in December 29th, 2005 @ 15:43aaargh! wrote that before I saw your post, Zallie.
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Sphinx
in December 29th, 2005 @ 16:28Ishmael made up the HP song, not me.
Ron’s a complete and total idiot. Really, he’s so STUPID. And in the movies he really needs a hair cut.
Ok, now i have to know who the boys were. The middle school boys are always fighting, buit usually it’s just one on one, and then they get up and shake hands and walk away.
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Axa
in December 29th, 2005 @ 16:55Fine, fine, Arwen is a Sue. But then so is Miss Rosie Cotton.
Ron is most certainly a pansy. Really, I prefer the Marauder Era characters to anyone else-excluding Mr. Pettigrew, of course.
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Phoebe
in December 29th, 2005 @ 17:31Rupert Grint, eh. the actual Ron is SOOOOOO awesome!
You prefer the Marauders to LUNA LOVEGOOD? HOW COULD YOU?!
Yeah, I think Luna Lovegood is just about the awesomest character ever. Seriously. She rocks. There are four girls who have been singled out to play Luna in the movies, but I don’t know who they are… They told WB that they wanted the info withheld. I can see why.
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 29th, 2005 @ 17:32i ♥ sirius…
although being a marauder is a lot more fun than being A. Random that went to skool with them.
Rosie Cotton might be a Sue but she’s such a minor character it’s hard to tell. If tolkein had written more about her we might’ve seen some flaws…
yeah sphinx i agree about grint’s hair. blech. how i long for the scissors…snip, snip, off with the evil mullet type mass of overgrown hair…
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Zallie
in December 29th, 2005 @ 17:47Yeah, I like the Marauders best, too. I was really disappointed that there wasn’t more backstory about them in HP6. The fanfic tends to be better, too, just because it’s harder (I think) to write, so the people who’d ruin it give up. (Shoebox Project, anyone?) Either that, or I haven’t found any of the bad marauder stuff.
Actually, I don’t think Rosie’s a Sue, just because she has all of five lines in the books. She’s so underdeveloped that you can’t really say if she’s a Sue or not.
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Em
in December 29th, 2005 @ 18:35My favourite charactres are Ginny and Tonks. Also Lupin and Luna.
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in December 29th, 2005 @ 18:39
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 29th, 2005 @ 18:42I’ve seen plenty of bad marauder stuff. But not nearly as much as other bad fics.
oh yes luna does rock. i wanted to play luna in the movies
but obviously that’d impossible.
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Ebeth The Lurker
in December 29th, 2005 @ 18:47GAPA? WHERE IS THE HARRY POTTER THREAD!!??!!?!? we are dyiiing..neeeed a place to rant.
oh and Em, what was post 89 about?
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 29th, 2005 @ 19:28Yeah, well., I wish Niko would stop. It’s annoying and makes me want to type, “Grant became tired of Niko constantly insulting his excellent fashion sense, and consequently strangled him with a cordless phone.” Or something like that. I think I have anger management issues.
Rupert Grint makes Ron look bad.
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Phoebe
in December 29th, 2005 @ 19:38Lupin and Tonks all the way!
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Phoenix
in December 29th, 2005 @ 20:00the two boys who were bugging the other shall be unnnamed. I will tell you tomorrow.
HP fanfiction is hard to write, b/c making side plots for Harry Potter is really hard. Fanfics for Warriors is pretty easy, also for D&D (Dragonseye is based on my and Zyviva’s–duh–D&D charecters), and for other books or games with a wider plots range. Somtimes I take the style of the book but nothing else, or one or two ideas, like, say, sorcery being Will from the Belgariad, or people having totem creatures from Lords of Grass and Thunder.
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Zallie
in December 29th, 2005 @ 20:26Hehe, I think it’s funny. ‘s a matter of opinion, fashion sense, and Niko doesn’t think very highly of Grant’s, apparently. You must admit it was priceless when Niko asked Grant to the ball, though. Classic moment, that.
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Ishmael
in December 29th, 2005 @ 20:33I write FanFics for House.
Fred and George are my favorite characters, although not on screen.
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Em
in December 29th, 2005 @ 20:34post 89 was about seeng if i can post nothing. apparently i can.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 29th, 2005 @ 21:50LAPIS LAZULI IS PRETTY!! I have dozens of witnesses who are of the opinion that lapis lazuli is pretty. Hundreds, even. The ancient Egyptians, for one. My friends too. My fan club. (Just kidding. I don’t have a fan club. Yet. Just wait for my book to come out.)
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Zallie
in December 29th, 2005 @ 22:05Well, I suppose Niko thinks it looks rather tacky. Either that or it doesn’t go well with Grant’s complexion, which is exactly the sort of remark Niko would make.
Personally, I think it’s very pretty, but I doubt it would look so hot on dress-robes for a boy. You’re welcome to draw me a picture to sway my opinion, though.
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Queen Julietaini the Flamablamablous of Kiador (Queenie J)
in December 30th, 2005 @ 10:59I’ve sussed it. The thing with Mary Sues is this: They don’t play fair. You’ve got them under your favorite blunderbuss, you can see their faces growing white, then all of a sudden it goes like this:
MS: I summon my droid army to strike you with lightning. You are now dead.
Me: I protest! That’s not fair! You never mentioned a droid army.
Board Regulators: Julietaini, we’re taking you off the board for being a bad sport.So you see. Though personally I love lapis lazuli and think it would look KILLER on a guy. Serial, though. I have to scram and continue trying to play the Masochism Tango. Later.
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Sphinx
in December 30th, 2005 @ 11:14I presume Lapis Lazuli is a color I’ve never seen, or have seen but have never been able to put a name to.
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 30th, 2005 @ 12:45Now that the HP thread is up, will people stop ranting here? I mean, I don’t anything against Harry Potter, I just don’t have anything for him either. I pretty much indifferent.
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randomrohanfreak
in December 30th, 2005 @ 15:15RRF returns to the world of the living!!!
I write LOTR fanfic (and post it on an unnamed site) (unnamed because of THE RULES). Death to Mary Sues.
I’d like to play Dungeons and Dragons, but I don’t know anyone geeky enough to play with. Sigh… Actually, I have a character and stuff all ready to go. (Except her name…) I have name problems.
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randomrohanfreak
in December 30th, 2005 @ 15:46Lapis lazuli is a kind of blue stone. Pretty.
Can I post the url of a very good Mary Sue litmus test? It really helps me when I’m creating characters for fanfic and original fiction. I’ve got my Sues down to less than a sixteenth of my general writing population. Go me.
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Queen Julietaini the Flamablamablous of Kiador (Queenie J)
in December 30th, 2005 @ 16:45You know, randomrohanfreak, I’m very tempted to make a Kiadoran law against Mary Sues. That wouldn’t be fair, would it? Pity. I was SO tempted. Refill this, would you?
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 30th, 2005 @ 22:29Y’know, I have a how-to that sort of relates to this kind of thing: “How to save the world!”
A genius non-Mary Sue is Taita. He’s awesome! Again, from River God.
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Queen Julietaini the Flamablamablous of Kiador (Queenie J)
in December 31st, 2005 @ 09:49Uh-oh.
I just thought suddenly about Nenriel. And guess how close she comes to a Mary Sue? Very. Except she’s unattractive, she can’t use weapons, she’s accident-prone and totally unkempt. Uh…yeah. You know who’s Mary Sue proof? Terry Pratchett. (Why have I got him on the brain?) Nobody in his books is a MS. There’s something wrong with all of them. Not majorly, but somewhat.
The thing with MS is that feeling of Schädenfreude you get when something happens to them. Oh well.
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Phoebe
in December 31st, 2005 @ 11:41More Mary Sue complaints: Their names are like in that comic. Seriously. They all have names like Serenity Moonflower and Prettiful Cerulean and Matilda Waltzing and Givitover Moreorless Easily and Dr. Hiemlich Manoover and Tidlee Winks. My Grandpa made up the last few.
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Sphinx
in December 31st, 2005 @ 19:51What’s the link?
TERRY PRATCHETT! OMG! He’s the BEST AUTHOR EVER! His books are sooooooo funny, his caharcters are amazing, his plots are intricate and make you think, and he’s just awesome!
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Sphinx
in December 31st, 2005 @ 19:51Dr. Heimlich Manoover? Ha, I feel bad for him.
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Phoenix
in December 31st, 2005 @ 20:36The scene on the HP board that I think was the best, by merit of it making me crack up the most, was when Grant jumped after Lola when she fell of her broom. And he defied the laws of physics. And caught her, impossibly. And Lola made sure to do the most embarrasing things possible. And Yi Min laughed. Good times, good times. Show that to any siblings you may have, Grant, and they’ll never let you live it down. Hmm… or show it to your ladylove… I’m shure she’ll be SO pleased!
*sighs* I’ve just GOT to get rid of this highly sardonic mood that has been dogging me all day. Sorry, all.
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 31st, 2005 @ 21:47Um… I think I’m lost. Are we talking the sparklypoo thing? Yeah, I googled it. Hilarious! Especially when Legolas comes in.
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yesterday's_kinked_moose
in December 31st, 2005 @ 22:05Am I allowed to post googling suggestions? I mean, you have a choice to google or not to google. If someone goes to a problomatic site because they googled something, is it really the posters responsiblity? If it’s a link, it’s right there in front of your face and it practically screams “CLICK ME!”, but a google suggestion is different. It requires actual work (hey, scientifically, it’s work to type) to do a google search. That would keep lazier bloggers (not that there are any) away. Well, if I am allowed, there a really funny comic I want to suggest.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in December 31st, 2005 @ 22:36Why? The Heimlich Maneuver was invented by Henry Heimlich. If you’re going for a real first name that sounds like “Heimlich,” go for Heinrich, as in Heinrich Himmler. Baaaaad man.
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Zyviva
in January 1st, 2006 @ 08:43my bet is, mary sues really dont care.
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Em
in January 1st, 2006 @ 10:43yes, you can post googling suggestions. i think you can anyway. do it anyway because the gapa has not answered your question. if he has time to kill all of the poor innocent threads he can answer some peoples questions once in a while.
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lilbro777
in January 1st, 2006 @ 10:53im confuzzled.
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Sphinx
in January 1st, 2006 @ 11:35Go to google, type in ‘failure’ and press ‘I’m feeling lucky’.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in January 1st, 2006 @ 11:42Googling suggestions are fine. In theory, I suppose parents or schools could restrict use of Google if they felt like it, but it’s hard to imagine.
Happy new year, everybody!
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lilbro777
in January 1st, 2006 @ 12:55can someone explain what is going on so im not confuzzled no more?
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in January 1st, 2006 @ 13:13nothing is going on. we’re talking about mary sues and googling suggestions and other stuff and oh nevermind just read the stupid thread.
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Lizzie
in January 1st, 2006 @ 13:47hahahaha, and then if you look at the google cache it says “These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: failure“. And it’s a very apt example for “failure”, too…
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.
in January 1st, 2006 @ 15:49Hey, I actually managed to stump Google with only 3 words! My full name will result in Google turning up with only 2 things! It’s amazing!
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Zallie
in January 1st, 2006 @ 22:45Hehe, Phoenix, that’s one of my favourites, too. Goodness, we have an abundance of crazy scenes.
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dark lord of darkness
in January 2nd, 2006 @ 10:17i can stump google with only 1 word: sjhgfredbvjhdddxnvkjsnbdkjrkjdbndnbvzfdnbkjd
1 word because it has no space(according to microsoft word)
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The Koko Bandit
in January 2nd, 2006 @ 19:46O.O;; I just read through 125 comments. Can I join the really bored people’s club?
I would RPG, but I don’t know how…
Go me.
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Em Who Is A Hot Pink Bunny
in January 2nd, 2006 @ 20:26yes you can.
but its actually the bored people with no life
PLEASE PEOPLE JOIN OUR CLUB THERE ARE ONLY 3 MEMBERS!
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randomrohanfreak
in January 3rd, 2006 @ 15:36Miserable failure is funny too.
I try to googlewhack, but it is extremely difficlult.Actually talking about RPGs, I’m a relative newbie at D&D. I figured out the ability scores for my new rogue, but I’m not sure where to stick ’em. I was extremely lucky, so I got: 18, 16, 14, 13, 17, and 18. I know I should put one of the 18s in Dexterity, but I’m lost apart from that. Help from Phoenix or anyone else would be much appreciated.
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Kricket
in January 18th, 2006 @ 19:20i am bringing these threads to life!!! GET OVER HERE!!!!
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bulletproofmarshmallow
in March 30th, 2006 @ 11:52I got KOTOR and KOTOR2 for PC. They don’t work with my computer’s current graphics card and I was wondering what to expect when I get it working. Does anyone have any of these games?
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demolitions_expert_kokopelli #13
in April 20th, 2006 @ 10:12127: I will join your club.
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demolitions_expert_kokopelli #13
in April 20th, 2006 @ 10:19You have to have a 8 MB graphics card, 1 GB of internal hard drive memory, a DVD drive on your computer (Dell laptops come with all of that), an advanced sound card, and 8 hours of downloading time, (depending on your internet connection) to install America’s Army: Special Forces v2.5.4. Got to the [snip! –Admin.]America’s Army Website and click on the downloads link to get the game. It’s a really cool game though. You get to use cheat codes and guns and stuff. After this, I will post a list of cheats.
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demolitions_expert_kokopelli #13
in April 20th, 2006 @ 10:32When in a training mission (Medic Training works best) or on a cheats-allowed server, (jail works really good too. It’s my personal favorite. When you play the game, all you have to do in the game is shoot about three people on your own side. It oughta put you in jail. Don’t worry. You can get out of jail by pressing the ESCAPE key. That will bring you to a mission status thingy, and then press quit mission or something like that to leave the Leavenworth jail.)
Press the TAB key. It will bring up a command list.
Type: mpcheat class
After typing that, use the following list of cheats to get the gun you want:
After mpcheat class type:
RPG to get a rocket-propelled grenade launcher with 4 rockets
G to get an M16A2 with grenade launcher attachment, plus 6 grenades. (Don’t shoot the grenades too fast, or your gun will freeze up and you won’t be able to use it anymore, so you would have to type in another cheat.)
S to get a sniper rifle
VSS to get a VSS Vintorez, which has a built-in suppresser and a sniper scope
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A scrumpdillyicious Copper Yeti
in April 21st, 2006 @ 18:52The problem with roleplay these days are ultra-super-dark-black evil characters. Escpecially when there are two herds/packs/whatever, Dark and Light. I am on ONE roleplay like that, a deer roleplay, and the dark deer don’t act really truely “Evil” (How can they? They’re deer)
My characters:
Name: CopperTail (Wolfmovie version)
Age: 2
Species: Fox
Gender: Female
Physical Description: CopperTail is a rusty red fox, with long legs, small paws and big eyes. Her teeth are shiny and big. She is beautiful for the most part, however, her ears and tail have a little too much white.
History: CopperTail was born on Gunsight Mountain. Her mother was quick, making her able to escape the humans when they came hunting with their dogs. Her father was agile, being able to escape even the rowdiest hounds. The den was well hidden under a bush.
CopperTail learned to love everything from living on Gunsight. Love the earth, love the gods, love food, love family, and, most of all, love the balance of life. However, the one thing she didn’t love was humans. So she wanders, where she hoped she could be away from humans…. and find love for all creatures.
Personality: CopperTail is loving, but fearful. Anything can scare her, even a friendly Wolverine. Though she loves anything that proves itself friendly, she thinks everything is man at first. She really wants love most of all.
Pack/Territory: None at the moment. Shes a wanderer
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Name- CopperTail (teardrops version)
Gender- Vixen
Species- Red Fox
Age- 3
Family- Salvage (desceased) Monica, Christian
History- CopperTail was born in a native american village. Her mother was quick, making her able to escape the humans when they came hunting with their dogs. Her father was agile, being able to escape even the rowdiest hounds. The den was well hidden under a bush.
As a kit, she was playful and entertained her parents with her antics. That was when she was in the den…
Going outside the den, there was immditaly screaming, and she rushed back in. She never forgot that momment…
CopperTail learned to love everything from living near the village. Love the earth, love food, love family, and, most of all, love the balance of life. However, the one thing she didn’t love was humans. So she wanders, where she hoped she could be away from humans…. and find love for all creatures.
When she left her parents, she travleed up a mountain. It was hard and cold, and thart how she liked it. She grew accostomed to long rock climbs.\, and ice slips.
Appearance-CopperTail is a rusty red fox, with long legs, small paws and big eyes. Her teeth are shiny and big. She is beautiful for the most part, however, her ears and tail have a little too much white.
Her figure is lonng and lean, with a big head and strong back legs. CopperTail also has a long namesake.
Personality- : CopperTail is loving, but fearful. Anything can scare her, even a friendly Wolverine. Though she loves anything that proves itself friendly, she thinks everything is man at first. She really wants love most of all.
Playful and frisky, you can often find her chasing leaves or poucing blossoms.
Around elders, she is loving and caring. Around kits, she often stays away in case she does something wrong. Around a dominant fox, she is very submissive.
Samson:
Dubbance: Samson
Sub-dubbed:Sam, but if anyone calls him Sam, he gets angry.
Cursed: Buck
Blood: White Tailed
Aged: 5
Hoof-print: Samson is creamy brown colored. His fur shines In the sun. His antlers, in season, are very large. His tail is white and unusually big. Samsons eyes are dull compared to his fur. His hooves are relatively small comapared to his antlers, but still can give a good kick.
Mind: Samson is very wise, and knows every trick when it comes to predators. He know every scent, paw and scat. He will give advice to other deer, but if someone challenges him, look out!
Scarred: Samson was born to a loving mother. She took care of him well. He went on many advtures in the herds territory, loving every minute of life.
However, one day, a mountain lion came along. She gobbled up Samson’s mother. Samson was left on his own.
Samson then dedicated his life to tracking predators. He never started a herd: Too much trouble. Rather, he decided he would roam, giving friendly advice to every deer he came across.
Path: Peaceful
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Name/Callsign: Bozo
Age: 8 Weeks (puppy)
Gender: Male
neutered/spayed?: Yes
Breed: Old English Sheepdog
Eye color: Blue
Peltings(markings): Mostly Gray, with white head, neck and chest, and paws, gray around the eyes
History (at least 2 paragraphs):Bozo was born to a breeding service. His was a giant room with bars to see the outside and occationally go out.
When he was born, he had three siblings, Honey, and Simon. The third was was quickly throw outside, as he was a runt who the breeder felt couldn’t live. Out of these, he had to be Bozo. But, it fit him well, for he was the stupid one.
It was a happy home. He never knew his father, biut that was OK, since because he never saw his father, he never missed him. It was normal for a pet dog to never see their fathers. His mother loved him and nourished him dearly, for she knew one day he would have to leave.
Bozo left for the market at 8 months. Dispite being somewhat sad at being seperated from his mom, he knew he was going to go a home…. hopefully.
Personality: Bozo lives up to his name in that he is very stupid. He will fall for any trick in the book. However, he is also friendly, and loves to be around humans and other dogs. He is also strong; A heavyweight, and knows how to throw his weight around, even if he is stupid when it comes to pretty much anything else.
Parents (must have both, even if deceased): Mother- Lisa, Father- Mike
Siblings (most recent only): Honey, Simon, and an unnamed runt
Motto: Huhgs and Kissehs!
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Name/Callsign: Lucy/Lucy
Age: 1 year
Gender: Female
neutered/spayed?: No
Breed: Mixbreed cat
Eye color: Amber
Peltings(markings): Grey spotted tabby, with white paws and white tail tip
History (at least 2 paragraphs): Lucy was born feral. Her mom, Mona, took care of she and her siblings very well. They lived at the junkyard, amid all the dog bullies. However, they had their own locked car with a break in the window big enough only for a small cat to jump through. It gave them protection, and the dogs couldn’t get in, nor could big cats.
As a kitten, she entertained her mother and occasionally her father with her antics. She was a loving cat to her mother…. When she wanted to be. The most beautiful cat in all the junkyard, she often won over the junkyard males, but mated with none of them. She was too young, anyways.
Growing up, her head was too small and her tail too long. She was still cute, and a family adopted her. They let her go out through a cat flap into the town, just because she was formerly a stray.
However, a few months later, something terrible happened. Her owners died in a crash. Lucy still wonders to this day how something as protective and fast as a car can kill somebody. So she tore off her collar, her vaccination records went out the window, ans she roams looking for a home.
Parents (must have both, even if deceased): Mona and Walt
Siblings (most recent only): Eddie, Tanya
Personality : Lucy is cuddly and affectionate…. when she wants to be. Otrherwise, she is very independant cat who is slick and smooth. Dispite this, Lucy is very naieve. She loves kittens, and thanks her prey for feeding her. She loves forbidden fruti, and runs fast, so if a dog get mad at her, by golly she’ll escape.
Motto: Follow the winding road
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Kali D.
in April 22nd, 2006 @ 18:09There’s a new Muse rpg starting soon.
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