Geeky TV Shows, v. 2012
Yes, those TV shows.
Continued from v. 2010.2. We don’t know what happened to 2011.
Date: January 27, 2012
Categories: Life, The Universe, Things We like
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in January 27th, 2012 @ 02:10Whee yay!!!
FantasyFan–Good for you! Now you have Classic Who to watch! …Yeah, no.
Speaking of Classic Who, I’ve stalled out on it. I’m about to start “The Web Planet.” It’s just that “The Romans” was so great, and I can’t expect this serial to live up to it. Nero was so funny! And the Doctor was, too!
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FantasyFan?!?!
in January 27th, 2012 @ 11:02I was actually planning to get started on Torchwood next. I’m on episode 3 now. Then I’ll watch Classic Who. The sheer number of serials is kinda scary, and it seems like an attempt would be better during the summer, when I have less to do.
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Adeliae
in January 28th, 2012 @ 21:07I’m heading towards Classic Who as well.
I actually saw some Fourth Doctor before I ever saw any New Who, but… it was a while ago. In sheer quantity, Classic Who seems daunting. BUT I WILL REMAIN STRONG.
Torchwood – hah, I feel like I shouldn’t, but I really like it. I still need to watch Miracle Day, though – I haven’t found it as easily available online…
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Oobatooba
in January 27th, 2012 @ 22:00Ok, something AMAZING:
In Sherlock, in the Hounds of the Baskervilles, when it zooms out of the grotto, THERE IS A TARDIS (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in January 29th, 2012 @ 00:06I really doubt that. It looks like a shed to me.
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Oobatooba
in January 30th, 2012 @ 22:16Well, according to a friend of mine, BBC says it’s a TARDIS. Besides, why not take every opportunity to try to find crossovers?
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 1st, 2012 @ 14:09Meh… I read about it on the BBC America blog, and I think that might be where your friend got it, too. It’s not even a real article, just someone saying: “Look at this video! It’s the TARDIS, right?”
It looks like either a shed or a bunch of trees.
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Agent Lightning
in January 30th, 2012 @ 15:41By TARDIS, do you mean “Time And Relative Dimension In Space”, or do you mean “blue London police box?”
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muselover
in January 30th, 2012 @ 23:23I want people’s thoughts on the ending of A Scandal in Belgravia, since it seems to be pretty polarizing. I personally thought it was brilliant and tied up the show exactly as it should have (as well as giving a nice little nod to fans of the originals), but I’m wondering if anyone else on the blog thought differently.
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Tesseract
in January 31st, 2012 @ 06:48POSSIBLE SPOILERS Sherlock spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers
I liked the ending as well. I’ve seen some talk suggesting that, considering Irene is supposed to be the woman that beat Sherlock, it was sexist for him to save her in the end. I think I’d disagree; after all, she’s the one that (perhaps inadvertently) saves Sherlock at the beginning of the episode, and she also does get the best of him repeatedly throughout the episode. It especially does a good job compared to the movies; I’ve only seen the second one, in which her main function seems to be pretty and then die, but my friend says that this is similar to her role in the first movie.
Um, I have to go to school now, so much as I’d like to write more/edit this short paragraph so that it makes sense, it’s going to have to wait. Anyway, rough opinion!
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 7th, 2012 @ 08:46SPOILERS–BBC SHERLOCK–A SCANDAL IN BELGRAVIA–REALLY QUITE SPOILER-RIDDEN! PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY!
I’m not bothered by the ending either. To me, the conflict in this episode wasn’t about the photographs, but about contrasting influences on Sherlock. Mycroft, whose intellect Sherlock respects, also has his respectability (I’m going to cite Buck House scene: “Can’t you to just behave for once?”), his unshakable coldness, secretiveness, reliability, etc. vs. Irene, who is also wickedly smart, with her infamy, emotion-based existence, characteristic forthrightness, and unreliability.
Sherlock’s idea of personal strength comes vastly from big brother Mycroft. Back to Buckingham: Mycroft–“I’ll be Mother” (referring to serving tea); Sherlock–“There’s our childhood in a nutshell.” Did Mycroft essentially raise Sherlock?
While John had been making Sherlock want to be more human, Sherlock doesn’t regard him as an intellectual equal. So, when faced with the sufficiently intelligent Irene, who is such an opposite of Mycroft’s, I think Sherlock was curious about how she managed it, and opened his mind to emotion as a strength.
For most of the episode, Sherlock plays by the rules of Mycroft when with Mycroft, and by Irene’s rules when with her. All that did was give him a breakdown: “Do you think there’s something wrong with us, Mycroft?” signalling the start of a danger night. When Irene and Mycroft are finally together, the whole juggling act falls to the floor. Sherlock doesn’t win until he decides to combine Logic and Emotion.
So: Irene didn’t win custody of the pictures, but she did beat Sherlock’s image of himself. She broke Sherlock’s faith in Mycroft. She also displayed to Mycroft that, despite a spectacular save at the last minute, Sherlock is not immune to mistakes, and therefore cannot be always trusted.
That rift between brothers made one of the most painful bits of “The Reichenbach Fall” possible.
Maybe she didn’t win the most obvious battle, but she hardly came out a loser.
(Yeek, this is long.)
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in February 7th, 2012 @ 11:29i believe Robert’s comment from the other day applies here. I’ve known some English teachers who would be dancing and kissing strangers in the streets if they found analysis this sharp in a term paper.
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 8th, 2012 @ 09:48Oh…{Beams.} Thank you very much, Lady B.
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SilverLeopard
in January 31st, 2012 @ 17:39I have started watching Doctor Who. (I started with New Who, based on the suggestions of many.) But the mail is sooooo slow. NETFLIX BE FASTER.
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muselover
in January 31st, 2012 @ 18:25I’m assuming you don’t have Instant?
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SilverLeopard
in February 1st, 2012 @ 16:12I don’t. Frowny face.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 2nd, 2012 @ 01:13I’m watching New Who with someone else in my dorm–he’s watching it for the first time.
Today we watched “Partners in Crime.” It’s one of my personal favorites, and he thought it was really good, too! It shows how awesome Donna is and his opinion of her did a complete 360 after watching it! YESS!
THE REST OF THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!!! SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS
He loves Rose, so we both screamed at the top of our lungs when she came back at the end
One look at that blonde head and you know it’s her!!! The people doing homework looked at us weird…
And then he pretended to be a weeping angel. That was fun, too.
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Piggy
in February 6th, 2012 @ 16:38According to Alton Brown on Twitter, the final episode of Good Eats airs on the tenth, and it’s titled “Turn On the Dark”, apparently about dark chocolate. This show has been an enormous influence on my life and personality.
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KaiYves
in February 6th, 2012 @ 18:07No more Good Eats?!?!
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Piggy
in February 6th, 2012 @ 18:42No. He announced a few months ago that this would be the last season, and that every project has to come to an end.
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KaiYves
in February 9th, 2012 @ 12:25Okay, well I can respect an attitude like that, and I wish Mr. Brown luck in his future endeavors.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 7th, 2012 @ 02:32I stumbled upon the scene where the Doctor first meets River, and mistake time! She asks about the Byzantium, even though obviously Ten hadn’t done it yet, because he’s Ten, and not Eleven! Lol.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 7th, 2012 @ 05:23Well, it’s always possible that at first she didn’t realize it was a past regeneration, and not a future one.
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 7th, 2012 @ 07:55No, she knows he’s Ten–“judging by your face, it’s early days for you”. I think Moffat had not been told that David Tennant was leaving. To maintain continuity in my mental canon, I think River was trying to allow for time&space shenanigans.
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Lizzie
in February 7th, 2012 @ 10:49I heard that line as being “early days in our relationship,” with his surprise at how familiar she was being.
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 8th, 2012 @ 09:50I’m not sure I understand what you are saying.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 8th, 2012 @ 19:27“Judging by your face” = the surprised expression on his face, not his physical features. Which would allow for a future regeneration.
Although I thought she meant in reference to his regeneration, too.
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 8th, 2012 @ 20:22Okay, that was my first impression, but then it twisted in my brain to fit other meanings. If that is, in fact, what Lizzie meant, I can’t get that interpretation to fit with my other memories. I am remembering her saying–though I cannot confirm an episode–that she has a photograph of every one of his faces. (Since “Silence in the Library”/”Forest of the Dead” happens after all other episodes, in her timeline, when she says that doesn’t matter.)
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Alice
in February 9th, 2012 @ 10:59This has bothered me for an impossibly long time.
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SilverLeopard
in February 10th, 2012 @ 15:19I finished Season One of Doctor Who!!!!!!! But I get it from Netflix, and my parents want to watch a “grown-up movie” and my brother still hasn’t seen the last episode, so I can’t send it back, and we get two movies at a times. Nrrrg (annoyed-noise).
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Cat's Eye
in February 10th, 2012 @ 18:16But, but, but there’s no point in being grown-up if you can’t be childish sometimes…
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 11th, 2012 @ 14:21So being part of Doctor Who fandom will lead to interesting bits of historical crack spontaneously generating in your head at odd hours of the night.
For example: The apple that fell on Sir Isaac Newton’s head and led to the theory of gravity fell because the Doctor was climbing in the tree above, for whatever reason.
I can’t be the only one this has happened to.
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KaiYves
in February 11th, 2012 @ 19:33I’m not a Dr. Who fan, but that has happened to me on a few occasions, being a fan of history as well as a part of several fandoms featuring historical settings or time travel. There have been a few parts of my NASA/Marvel fan-fic that have practically written themselves. (Steve Hawley and Story Musgrave are mutants!)
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Rainbow*Storm
in June 24th, 2012 @ 11:15nasa/marvel fanfic
nasa/marvel fanfic
/please post more about this it sounds amazing/
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KaiYves
in June 24th, 2012 @ 11:57How much do you want to know?
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Rainbow*Storm
in June 24th, 2012 @ 13:16ALL THE THINGS
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KaiYves
in July 1st, 2012 @ 11:46Don’t think I didn’t see your post, I did, and I will post a summary of my story on one of the fanfiction threads when I have the time.
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ZNZ
in June 24th, 2012 @ 14:28Your idea about Newton is canon, more or less. Four once claimed that he sat in the tree dropping apples on Newton’s head and then explained gravity to him over dinner.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 14th, 2012 @ 20:23Started watching Firefly.
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agrrrfishi
in February 15th, 2012 @ 18:07Please please please tell me that there are Sherlock fans on the blog. If not, go watch it. The whole series is only made up of six, hour-and-a-half long episodes, and if you like Doctor Who, you’ll love this show. It’s sooo good.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 15th, 2012 @ 21:12I BELIEVE IN SHERLOCK HOLMES.
(I’m reading the complete Sherlock Holmes while waiting for Doctor Who to come back on. And also for Sherlock to come on PBS so I can show it to everybody.)
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agrrrfishi
in February 15th, 2012 @ 21:13Ack, didn’t even see posts two and three. I’m blind as a bat or just blinded by my love for this show or something.
I’m still marveling at how Sherlock managed to fake the fall. I know he had asked for Molly’s help earlier on, but I don’t see how she’d be able to fix his bloody cracked skull, or reverse the fact that he clearly had no pulse. He fell about six stories, for God’s sakes.
Conspiracy theories, anyone?
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Tesseract
in February 15th, 2012 @ 21:28MORIARTY WAS REAL
Aggie, my guess is that Molly substituted a cadaver. After all, she works with corpses regularly. Also, the placement of a truck near the building would allow Sherlock to jump into the truck and be driven away. This would be in line with the fact that he wanted John to stay where he was–John wouldn’t have been able to see what really happened from there.
Also, I posted a Sherlock ficlet on the last thread, and you should go read it.
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agrrrfishi
in February 17th, 2012 @ 09:13I thought that, too, but then again, where could they find a corpse identical to Sherlock? He has a really distinctive face. His cheekbones are too unique.
I NEED SERIES 3.
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Tesseract
in February 17th, 2012 @ 15:30SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS
One suggestion I’ve seen is that it was the fear gas from Hounds. That would make John see whatever he was afraid he’d see, wouldn’t it?
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 20th, 2012 @ 18:19SPOILERS–OH, SUCH SPOILERS FOR BBC SHERLOCK–PRIMARILY THE REICHENBACH FALL–SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS PROCEED WITH GREAT CAUTION SPOILERS, SPOILERS, M’DEARS! I AM QUITE SERIOUS. QUITE. SPOILERS.
Thoughts on The Fall and the plotting thereof:
The Corpse: If a corpse was substituted for Sherlock, couldn’t it have been surgically altered to look like him? Molly works in a morgue. Sometimes people don’t look the same after they die, but the living find it comforting for them to do so, so Molly (or perhaps someone she works with) certainly knows how to alter the appearances of the deceased.
Molly Hooper: She is a hoopy frood. Even when she doesn’t know where her towel is.
John Watson: I am quite convinced that the bicyclist who ran into him drugged him to blur his senses and reduce observations. ‘Cause even though Sherlock doesn’t care to admit it, John is smart and the circumstances are suspicious.
Mycroft Holmes: I don’t think he knows Sherlock is alive. What do others think?
The Beekeeper: Oh, I so badly want Sherlock to be a beekeeper during his “hiatus” in some way, just as in Doyle’s Holmes.
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Tesseract
in February 20th, 2012 @ 19:03BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS
The corpse: Sure, probably, but Molly would only have had a couple of hours’ warning from Sherlock. It doesn’t seem like that would have been enough time for her or a colleague to completely alter someone’s face. I find it more likely that the corpse was just the closet-looking substitute they could find and that John was somehow drugged. Or, possibly, that it was Sherlock, but in the time when John was getting back up from being hit by the bicyclist (homeless network?) he managed to land somewhere safe (the truck?), get down from there, and appear dead–but this is less likely. When he’s looking for locations for the candy factory, Sherlock mentions a plant to John which is a paralytic that would help him feign death; this mention seems superfluous, but I somehow doubt it was without cause.
Molly Hooper: I adore Molly. End of story.
John: I hadn’t thought of the bicyclist drugging him, but I definitely think that the cyclist (along with possibly the entire crowd at the base of the building) was a member of the homeless network in Sherlock’s employ.
Mycroft: I don’t think he knows. Molly is serving his function here. I do have a sort of headcanon where he finds out and Molly isn’t able to lie convincingly enough and he convinces her that Sherlock has, in the time since the Fall, actually died, but in canon, I’m pretty sure that when we last saw him he did not know. As for whether he’ll find out–he has so many eyes in so many places. If Sherlock can hide from him, he can hide from anyone.
What is it that Sherlock needs to accomplish before he comes back? Take out the remaining assassins? Ensure the destruction of Moriarty’s circles? Can he ever return, really?
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 20th, 2012 @ 20:24SPOILERS ONCE AGAIN SPOILERS FOR BBC SHERLOCK THE REICHENBACH FALL SPOILERs FILLING SPACE HERE SPOILERS SPOILERS ELONGATING THE SPOILER WARNING SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
The Corpse: Mm, that’s true about the timing. I missed that about the paralytic! I knew there are such things, but since he brought it up, I suspect more greatly that he used it. I know special-effects fake blood would be obtainable by Sherlock or his accomplices. I agree about the homeless network. I know the truck keeps coming up, and I understand why, but doesn’t it seem to have a rather shallow amount of padding to break a man’s six-story fall?
Molly Hooper: She has such muchness.
John: He certainly started staggering after the bicyclist touched him.
Mycroft: I think he’s in the dark because of the falling-out he and Sherlock have had. It’s largely Mycroft’s fault that Moriarty was able to get to Sherlock; I don’t think Sherlock can feel his brother is reliable. Also, for Sherlock to disappear successfully, he needs to involve a minimum of people.
The Beekeeper’s Mission: I think…I think he needs to reach a point where he is not afraid to be loved. Or at least where he understands that the people who love him would rather have him than the security of disassociation.
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Tesseract
in February 20th, 2012 @ 21:22MORE BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS GO AHEAD AND ASSUME THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION WITH CERULEAN PYROS IS SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS
I’m really not sure about the truck either. Everything everyone is suggesting sounds really logical, but that matter of padding keeps occurring to me as well. He’d still be falling, what, at least a couple of stories? There’s a chance he wouldn’t even survive that, and assuming he did, he’d probably be pretty severely injured. But if he didn’t jump at all, how would he have gotten off the rooftop?
Mycroft: It’s the minimum-number-of-people thing, I think, that’s the main reason Mycroft would not know. It is largely Mycroft’s fault that Sherlock ended up in the situation that he’s in, true, but even before that–in fact, since twenty minutes into the first episode–it’s been made very clear that Sherlock does not want Mycroft’s concern, protection, or help. Unless there was a service that only Mycroft could render (such as getting him into a high-security research/military area after he’s already been kicked out once), Sherlock would not turn to him.
The Mission: I agree. I almost think that his initial instinct, prior to seeing John at the grave, would have been to not return at all.
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agrrrfishi
in February 21st, 2012 @ 17:32BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS OH MY GOODNESS WOW LOOK AT THE MASSIVE QUANTITY OF SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS
I feel like the only reason he’d want to go back was for John, but I’m sure the lure of solving crimes would be pretty strong for him. After all, it’s his whole life. His brilliant mind probably wouldn’t want to take a break.
I’m glad that he trusted Molly before anyone else, anyway. I think she deserved it, after the way he treated her all season. Although I’m really excited to see how John reacts when Sherlock makes his eventual return.
I hope John isn’t married by then…are they planning on even introducing Mary into the plotline? Or Sebastian Moran, Moriarty’s accomplice in the original SH series? I know there’s a lot of fangirls wanting him in the plot. new potential villain?
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Tesseract
in February 21st, 2012 @ 20:25BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOIIIIILERS YOU DON’T WANT TO BE SPOILED DON’T READ THIS BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS
Mm, true. He’d go crazy if he had to stay away from solving crimes, and would probably end up back on drugs or seriously endangering his own life in some other way. He’d probably be able to find something to solve eventually though, wouldn’t he? Especially if he was working on breaking up Moriarty’s circle or something of the like. I’m rationalizing now, though; my shipping heart wants John to be the reason he returns.
Something that breaks that heart is the idea that Sherlock will return expecting to find John in stasis and instead finding him married and moving on with his life, as much as it’s possible for him to do so. It could be interesting for the show to have Mary, but unless it comes to pass I think I’ll continue hating the idea. It’s just too sad.
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agrrrfishi
in February 21st, 2012 @ 20:57He can’t get married. He just…he can’t. It would ruin everything. And while I suspect that Sherlock would be keeping an eye on John no matter what, the idea that he would have to watch him get married and move forward with his life is really sad.
JOHNLOCK FOREVER.
Anyway.
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muselover
in February 21st, 2012 @ 21:58As much as the shippers will disagree, I think that John getting married would be a perfect transition into series 3. If they use a combination of The Empty House and The Sign of Four as the plot for the series opener, I would squee.
…you know, as much as a male was capable of squeeing.
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 22nd, 2012 @ 08:27THIS CONTAINS SPOILERS, AS YOU HAVE HOPEFULLY REALIZED BY NOW. SPOILERS FOR BBC SHERLOCK SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERISH SPECULATION SPOILERISH QUOTING SPOILERISH THINKING ALOUD
John, married: Steven Moffat said in an interview, “I don’t know if we’ll do anything with this, but the fact that Doctor Watson is married for loads of the stories is really interesting. He and Holmes don’t always live together and I think that’s become a lazy way of doing Sherlock Holmes – they always live together. They didn’t actually and why would they? Nobody flat-shares forever, so there’s loads of details we can get in there…”
So, I think marriage is still up in the air, while John living alone seems to be of great interest. Whether he’s in a serious relationship or not, I want John to have gotten his own place when Sherlock returns. Don’t look at me like that! The idea of John sitting around in 221b, living with Sherlock’s marks on the place (and it’s really Sherlock’s flat, since he lived there without John for some time), saddens me more than the shock that would give Sherlock.
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 22nd, 2012 @ 08:06MORE SPOILERS FOR BBC SHERLOCK–THE REICHENBACH FALL– WHEE! THIS IS A VERY SPOILER-RIDDEN CONVERSATION PROCEED WITH GREAT CAUTION SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER IF YOU HAVEN’T TURNED BACK YET, DO SO NOW! SPOILERS.
I think he did jump. John saw Sherlock jumping and Sherlock lying on the sidewalk. I don’t see a way of faking that jump. I’ve not come up with a better landing explanation than the truck, but it still doesn’t quite jive for me.
Mycroft: Oh, I agree that Sherlock wouldn’t want his help, in any event, but we’ve also been shown that he tolerated his brother knowing that he’s alive and well, or alive and not well, etc.They’ve never seemed to have a total disconnection before. But I don’t think he’d be pleased if Mycroft knew he lived now, unless there was something to be gotten out of him.
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oxlin
in February 22nd, 2012 @ 15:17Yesss! Beesssss!
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 17th, 2012 @ 18:24SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Irene Adler did it.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in February 17th, 2012 @ 18:40If you want a spoiler notice to work, it needs to be considerably longer than this one was originally.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 17th, 2012 @ 22:56I suppose I didn’t consider it much of a spoiler; my spoiler tag lengths tend to reflect the severity of the crime.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in February 17th, 2012 @ 23:35Ah, but someone else may keep a different scorecard. Furthermore, for GAPAs it isn’t always obvious whether a spoiler is short because it was intended to be or not, so we’d rather err on the side of caution.
As an aside: This may just be the way my particular set of eyes work, but frankly, as a reader, a short spoiler warning is almost worse than none at all. My eyes skip right over the caps and land smack on top of the information I don’t want to see. A long warning gives my consciousness time to catch up with my vision and notice in the nick of time “whoa, don’t go there.”
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Rosebud2
in February 19th, 2012 @ 07:04It’s the same with me. Only yesterday I read a Death Note spoiler on the Manga, Anime, and Graphic Novels thread for this reason.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 19th, 2012 @ 11:31The only spoilery thing about my post as seen on the sidebar was that Irene Adler exists. If there wasn’t any context, there is no indication as to what exactly she did. In the context of the actual thread, you would have to read past many posts with spoilers about the final episode in order to get to it.
I don’t understand why there’s such a huge fuss.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in February 19th, 2012 @ 12:08The long spoiler warnings are mainly for the sake of Recent Comments, where the thread context doesn’t enter in. Nor is it apparent from moderation space, where we don’t see threads, we just see comments as they arrive.
At any rate, I wasn’t aware of a huge fuss — I’m sorry if it came across that way — but I did attempt to note the bulk of my comment was an aside. Most of the discussion was addressed to the general subject of spoiler warnings, not to your comment specifically. It happens quite often that short spoiler warnings occur because the author doesn’t realize the length needed to keep the spoiler information itself from showing up in Recent Comments. The effect is often the exact opposite of the intent, highlighting instead of hiding.
My other point was that we GAPAs haven’t necessarily seen or read the content under discussion, so we have no way of judging just how “spoilerish” a given comment might be.
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agrrrfishi
in February 17th, 2012 @ 09:26Also, I love love looove your ficlet. Your writing is beautiful.
Has anyone read Alone On The Water yet? It’s the best Sherlock fic I’ve ever read, but it’s really sad.
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Castle
in February 17th, 2012 @ 10:07Please! With the potential spoilers! I’m still on Hounds, I haven’t watched The Fall yet.
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agrrrfishi
in February 17th, 2012 @ 15:18Actually, there are no spoilers at all, I promise. It’s basically non-related to any of the episodes.
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Tesseract
in February 17th, 2012 @ 15:28Thank you!
I was having a lot of Sherlock feelings that day.Alone On The Water… My friend told me to read it, and I did, and I was in no way expecting to be affected much at all, let alone sitting in front of my computer with tears running down my fce, clutching a pillow. It’s hands-down the best fic I’ve ever read for anything.
“Still the only one in the world.”
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agrrrfishi
in February 17th, 2012 @ 17:48I’m having a lot today! i think I might write a fic today.
I reacted almost the EXACT same way and it was just so heartwrenchingly beautiful and I did not expect it at all. It’s so well done.
“I’m afraid, John.” I just died inside.
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Tesseract
in February 17th, 2012 @ 22:29If you write a fic, post it please! I need to rewatch Reichenbach. I have an idea for a fic bouncing around in my head, but I don’t know if I can actually pull it off.
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agrrrfishi
in February 18th, 2012 @ 10:12I definitely will! I’m slowly turning into a hardcore Johnlock shipper. It’s getting ridiculous.
Oooh, ideas? What’s the idea? I really just want to watch the whole season again!
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Zinc
in February 17th, 2012 @ 21:35Why. Why would you mention that…
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Zinc
in February 16th, 2012 @ 18:22RICHARD BROOK IS A FAKE.
I am having all the feels as well.
I was suffering, but I was happy about it.
And seeing everything later about all these things they slipped in, the last things and aghhhhh gross sobbing.
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Cat's Eye
in February 16th, 2012 @ 20:06Richard Brook is no fake! He’s an innocent man who’s been cruelly victimized! *sigh* What’s the world come to when people start attacking children’s storytellers?
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oxlin
in February 19th, 2012 @ 23:00I know! I watched “The Storyteller” as a child. I mean, I know I didn’t watch TV all too regularly, but I saw it sometimes and it would often be on when I was babysitting! Who’s next, Mr. Rogers?
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oxlin
in February 19th, 2012 @ 22:59RICHARD BROOK IS INNOCENT – SM
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Zinc
in February 21st, 2012 @ 17:22(are you in on the sherlock chatroom invasion too)
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muselover
in February 21st, 2012 @ 19:35Maybe I am. Maybe I’m not.
I WILL NEVER TELL.
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Zinc
in February 17th, 2012 @ 21:56Unpopular and, nonrelatedly, mathmatically correct opinion: 11>10
I just like him better okay
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 17th, 2012 @ 22:54I can respect that now.
I literally just got over Ten last week. That makes it almost six months. I think watching it all again really helped. I can’t wait to see Matt Smith without a veil of anger and unhappiness twisting my views of him!
I actually went through four stages of mourning for Ten.
1. Denial: The mindset of: David Tennant IS the Doctor! Nobody else will ever be as good as him! This new guy is a fake!
2. Anger: AARRGH I hate Matt Smith he’s so weird! Sonic screwdrivers aren’t GREEN. THIS IS INSANITY I HATE MATT SMITH!!!
3. Depression: Manifested in listening to the soundtrack over and over again and crying. Although I do really like the music so maybe it wasn’t all mourning.
4. Acceptance: Probably realized when watching again: There are things about Eleven that I like. He’s quirky and hilarious. I’ll always LOVE Ten, but Eleven is pretty great, too. Heck, ALL of the Doctors are great! They’re just all different from each other.My Doctor Who watching buddy and I watched The End of Time last night. He’s pretty sad right now.
He’s a huge fan of Rose, so he’s actually more sad about her than about Ten. But the regeneration was super sad for him. I hope he’ll be able to see Eleven more objectively than I did! Maybe I’ll be able to snap him out of it.
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agrrrfishi
in February 18th, 2012 @ 10:15I feel the same way. I liked 9 and I loved 10, but I watched series 5 first of them all, so I feel like 11 will always be my doctor.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in February 18th, 2012 @ 13:58As number 4 will always be my Doctor.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in February 18th, 2012 @ 15:074 for me, too…plus 9 plus 10 plus 11. I am so fickle. (Or else so true.)
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Choklit Orange
in February 18th, 2012 @ 15:10I’m too attached to 10 to watch 11 with much glee. I mean, really. Fish sticks with custard?
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Agent Lightning
in February 18th, 2012 @ 17:51I don’t deny that Matt Smith was very well cast as the Doctor, and he plays the part very well, and he makes a really great Doctor. But Ten is my Doctor, okay?
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 19th, 2012 @ 01:24See, I just don’t get this liking one Doctor more than another. Possibly this had something to do going through three Doctors in one month, when catching up on the series. OR it might just be me–I tend not to quibble with the stories and accept events as they happen, rather than screaming, “RUINED FOREVAAH!” I liked 9, I liked 10, and when the time came I liked 11 too. And when I start watching the Classic series I expect to like whatever Doctor I’m currently watching the best too.
If I had to make value judgements, I have to say I like 9 and 11 slightly better than 10. Don’t get me wrong, I liked him and all, but that big breakdown he had at the end…well. It was a brilliant performance, and I enjoyed it very much, but I couldn’t like him as person post-WoM because of it.
But yeah, I still can’t get how people can get so attached to one single person in the role that they can’t watch others in it. I mean, I know it’s just fandom and all, but I can’t understand it.
This is actually very similar to my views on shipping wars. I mean, why?!
On an utterly unrelated note, I liked the TARDIS design for 9&10 better. Seemed more organic and suited for a living ship. But I got used to the new design quickly enough, i suppose.
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Paul Baker (Administrator)
in February 19th, 2012 @ 03:38You may change your mind when you watch the older episodes, especially the later ones. There were reasons the show was cancelled for decades.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 19th, 2012 @ 15:03Hmm, so I have heard. I’ll deal with that when I come to it. My point still stands for being so attached to one person that they can’t accept any other, irregardless of acting skill.
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muselover
in February 20th, 2012 @ 20:20*BEEP BEEP BEEP*
*IRREGARDLESS ALERT IRREGARDLESS ALERT*
*EXTERMINATE*
*EXTERMINATE*
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Agent Lightning
in February 19th, 2012 @ 10:07Same here… I remember seeing the interior for the first time and thinking it was some sort of tree. And the inside of a giant tree makes a great time machine!
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Alice
in February 20th, 2012 @ 10:49Just started watching Game of Thrones.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 20th, 2012 @ 14:11Doctor Who Series 7 started filming today!
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 20th, 2012 @ 18:22{Muffled shriek of great joy.}
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Agent Lightning
in February 21st, 2012 @ 18:06I am incredibly impatient.
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shadowfire
in February 22nd, 2012 @ 17:30And apparently Rupert Graves will be guest starring.
Crossovers are definitely his division.
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agrrrfishi
in February 22nd, 2012 @ 20:26SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT DOCTOR WHO SPOILER ALERT SPOILERS SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT POTENTIAL BUT LIKELY SPOILERS LIE AHEAD
Moffat reports that Amy and Rory are going to be leaving the TARDIS this season. I don’t know about everyone else, but I really like the Ponds and I wish they didn’t have to go…
He also says that “that story is going to come to a heartbreaking end”. He’d better not do anything unsavory to them. Or kill them. Oh dear… (Although Rory is basically un-killable, so scratch that idea.)
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Zinc
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 02:28I bet he’s gonna do the impossible. Just to mess with us.
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Mikazuki
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 10:50SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT DOCTOR WHO SPOILER ALERT SPOILERS SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT POTENTIAL BUT LIKELY SPOILERS LIE AHEAD
Personally…I think they should have gotten rid of Amy and Rory at the end of season five. I liked Amy a lot when she first showed up, but she was kind of lame in season six, at least in my opinion. It just felt very repetitive, like…Amy and Rory love each other…whatever…
Also, Amy hardly did anything in season six. She had a very take charge, kick-*** personality in season five, but I just didn’t see it in season six. I liked season six way better than season five, but…yeah. Amy, not as much.
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agrrrfishi
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 12:33SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT DOCTOR WHO SPOILER ALERT SPOILERS SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT POTENTIAL BUT LIKELY SPOILERS LIE AHEAD
I’m glad they stayed for both seasons, but I totally agree with what you said about Amy. I liked single Amy much better than married Amy, and I feel like in the sixth season their marriage just became too central to every single episode plotlne.
I really like Craig. Can he please be the new companion? I’d die of happiness.
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Mikazuki
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 15:32SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT DOCTOR WHO SPOILER ALERT SPOILERS SPOILER SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER ALERT POTENTIAL BUT LIKELY SPOILERS LIE AHEAD
That would be wonderful.
Maybe they’ll have River? (I’ve been formulating theories about this for…a while…) That would make a nice first episode, actually, the Doctor breaking River out of jail. I’m sure there’s a weird thing with their timelines that means that can’t happen, but I’m so confused about the plotline that I have no idea what that would be.
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Agent Lightning
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 19:35SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER SPOILER
I don’t want River as a full time companion. The Pond Years were kind of one big season. “Silence will fall” first appeared in The Eleventh Hour and lasted till The Wedding of River Song. It’s time fo a change. New characters, new companion, new plot. I’m not saying River shouldn’t pop in every once in a while and appear in an episode or two. Let her be sporadic, like Captain Jack who popped in occasionally throughout all the Eccleston and Tennant years.
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Agent Lightning
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 19:59Holy cake, I forgot the spoiler warning. Sorry… I hope that didn’t give anything away…
[Spoiler Gnome to the rescue.]
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Mikazuki
in February 23rd, 2012 @ 21:41SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER SPOILER
A new companion and new plot would be nice as well. I like River, but I kind of miss having new characters get introduced. Since there’s the whole thing with ‘Doctor Who?’, though, as well as the fall of Eleven…I strongly suspect that Moffat’s going to keep pushing all of this plotty-wotty stuff and tie in old characters. I’m afraid to get my hopes up. Do you think Captain Jack will ever come back? I mean, I know the Doctor’s got a new face and all, but I can totally see Jack and Eleven being friends…
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Zinc
in February 24th, 2012 @ 02:28I’ve been wanting that so badly…
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Agent Lightning
in February 24th, 2012 @ 16:00Yeah, I’d love to see Jack return. It seemed like they cut off all the old characters (Martha, Donna, Jack, Rose, etc.) between series 4 and 5. And yes, the whole “Fall of Eleven” thing… please, Moffat, not another tie between seasons! As optimistic as I’d like to be, I have the feeling that all of Eleven’s seasons are going to be wibbly-wobbly, plotty-wotty stuff. Let’s hope Moffat uses his powers for good this time and not for evil.
(Thank you, gnome, for fixing my error! *pays choklit*)
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muselover
in February 20th, 2012 @ 20:21I finally got back into Who after a months-long hiatus.
…why did I wait so long?
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SilverLeopard
in February 20th, 2012 @ 20:36An IRL friend of mine says she’ll only start watching Doctor Who when I watch Sherlock Holmes.
I was surprised when I learned she knew about Sherlock Holmes, considering that the only place I’ve heard about it is here.
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muselover
in February 21st, 2012 @ 16:19I’m assuming you mean Sherlock, not the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes?
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SilverLeopard
in February 21st, 2012 @ 16:36Of course.
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agrrrfishi
in February 21st, 2012 @ 17:37OH. How did I forget…
Who watches New Girl?!
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The Bookworm
in February 24th, 2012 @ 02:29I don’t, but I have friends who do. Do you recommend?
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agrrrfishi
in February 24th, 2012 @ 07:25Yes, with all my heart, it is SO funny. Zooey Deschanel is a genius.
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Adeliae
in February 25th, 2012 @ 20:06I love it.
I feel like I should not.
However, it magically manages not to be as… I don’t want to say trashy because it’s not the right word… as it could very easily be, and instead is incredibly entertaining and clever.
And has Zooey Deschanel, of course. It would be worth watching anything with her.
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The Bookworm
in February 27th, 2012 @ 00:17I’ll try it. Thanks.
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Zinc
in February 24th, 2012 @ 02:36me: I do not want to think up original characters for this 10 minute script I have to write
me: LOL SHERLOCK FIC TIME(the script contains fem!John and an odd fem!Moriarty- who is basically a mix of him and Irene)
(it is going SPLENDIDLY)
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 26th, 2012 @ 19:52SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Reading the Wikipedia article for “The Big Bang:”
“Moffat stated that the title “The Big Bang” is his favourite dirty Doctor Who joke as it is a reference to the fact that Amy and Rory conceive River on the TARDIS that night.”
AAAAAAHHHHH THAT’S SO WEIRD!!!
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Agent Lightning
in February 26th, 2012 @ 19:58POILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
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Adeliae
in February 27th, 2012 @ 19:53SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES FIVE/SIX SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
…I hadn’t thought of that.
I’m not sure that I really want to.
B-b-but….Sex in the TARDIS seems wrong.It seems unusual.
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The Bookworm
in February 27th, 2012 @ 00:15So, this may not really be a geeky TV show per se (although it does have Inara from Firefly, so that wins it a point), but anyone watch Homeland? I just watched all of it thus far created (first season) over the magical internet, and I very much enjoyed it. Well scripted, tense atmosphere, interesting, and very well acted (Claire Danes as well as Mandy Patinkin, who may be my favorite person ever). Anyway, if other people watch it, I will have someone to obsess over it with.
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Zinc
in February 28th, 2012 @ 03:47I AM STUCK IN CAPS THAT IS HOW MUCH MORE EXCITED I AM FOR SHERLOCK SEASON THREE AND STAR TREK 2
BECAUSE BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH IS IN TREK 2 AND THERE IS CONFIRMED FOOTAGE OF HIM FIGHTING SPOCK AND GENERALLY BEING AWESOME
AND OH MY GOODNESS OH MY GOODNESS
MATT SMITH, CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON, AND HUGH LAURIE ARE IN SHERLOCK SEASON 3
MATT IS INSPECTOR GREGRSON OR SOMETHING OH MY GOODNESSSSS
ECCLESTON IS COLONEL SEBASTIAN MORAN OMG OMG OMG
LAURIE IS SIGUR HOLMES OR SHERLOCK’S DAD
THIS IS FROM IMDB I’M NOT SURE WHAT’S GOING ON
SWEET ALBINO WUNGS I REALLY REALLY HOPE THIS IS ALL ACCURATE NOT JUST GOSSIP I AM QUITE PLAINLY FLIPPING OUT
(if a link to the list I was directed to is allowed: http: //www . imdb . com/ list/ 3tlHYEnTcxo/ )
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Cerulean Pyros
in February 28th, 2012 @ 08:40I’m looking forward to seeing Benedict Cumberbatch in Star Trek 2!
OH! OH! MATT SMITH AND CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON? IN SHERLOCK?
{Looks at list.}
Oh. I’m disappointed–it looks to me like fan speculation and hoping–but it would be lovely if Smith and Eccleston appeared, so I hope it has some truth in it! (I’ve never seen anything with Laurie in it, so I can’t comment on him.) Matt Smith would be great as anybody (squee, Matt Smith), but Inspector Gregrson means nothing to me. I would be really really happy if Eccleston did play Moran. I notice that the list’s creator said of Sigur Holmes/Sherlock’s dad: “I know that’s not a proper character from the stories,” which is part of my suspicion that it isn’t an informed list; she also lists, as characters, Sherrinford Holmes and “Sherlock’s Stepfather,” both of whom sound fanfictiony to me. I’m being terribly quelling, aren’t I? I don’t want to be. I really want parts of it to be true!
Thank you, Zinc, for sharing!
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oxlin
in February 28th, 2012 @ 15:22The list is someone’s fancasting. I really hope Sebastian Moran appears, though.
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Pseudonym
in February 28th, 2012 @ 16:36Hugh Laurie?
Also, in keeping with the subject of this thread, does anybody else like A Bit of Fry and Laurie? Lately I’ve been pretty into sketch comedy and it’s one of my favorite programs.
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Adeliae
in February 29th, 2012 @ 19:21I LOVE IT.
/and I will stop using caps all the time now.
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Pseudonym
in March 4th, 2012 @ 13:11I think Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie are deserving of the all caps.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in March 4th, 2012 @ 02:47Spent a lot of today burning through the latter half of Supernatural season 3 and starting season 4. Mostly did it because I wanted to see what the big deal about Castiel is. I love weekends, particularly Saturdays, since I feel like I can still put off everything until the day after.
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shadowfire
in March 4th, 2012 @ 11:59I have a friend who just started watching Supernatural after hearing a ton about it from the rest of us. She was under the impression he was a major character from the beginning. Cas is pretty wonderful though, isn’t he?
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FantasyFan?!?!
in March 4th, 2012 @ 13:19From the grand total of the two episodes I’ve seen him in? Bit difficult to judge, as even then he’s only in the last five minutes.
I’ve been completely spoiled for later seasons though and what I read sounds pretty good.
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shadowfire
in March 4th, 2012 @ 12:27Does anyone have any thoughts about the American Sherlock Holmes adaptation that’s just been announced?
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 12:52i’m excited that an asian american actress (lucy liu my LOVE <3) is playing such a big role and i also think bbc sherlock fans need really need to CALM DOWN
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oxlin
in March 4th, 2012 @ 23:25I’m really hoping they let her be badass and don’t screw that up. I’m worried that this is just an excuse to make a weak Watson and a will they won’t they love story. I mean according tot he casting thingie they cut out her whole military backstory. I really hope Joan Watson is scripted to be as badass as she ought to be. I am pleased by the casting, but worried at the scripts prospects.
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The Man For Aeiou
in March 4th, 2012 @ 13:00I think the things announced so far shows the difference between Moffat/Britain and America. America is still evenly split on gay marriage, so Watson has to be a woman to avoid any gay subtext. While Britain is more open, so we get massive amounts of Canon shipping of Sherlock/Watson (and of course Moffat is the first straight producer of Doctor Who since 1979/80, and he still managed to make the Doctor slightly more gay/bi).
And of course, it’s going to be on CBS, so it’s going to suck. OR it’s going to be the only thing I watch on CBS.
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 13:59yeah but the constant ‘haha no homo though!!!!! they’re not really gay!!! THAT WOULD BE WEIRD RIGHT? HA?!?!?!?!’ of sherlock bbc isn’t actually progressive, it’s homophobic in a more subtle way. moffat has gone on record to say that they’re not gay
“I don’t think there is anything that suggests Sherlock is gay but if he was he wouldn’t fancy John [Watson].
“It’s just that thing of two blokes hanging around together living together – in this nice modern world it leads to people saying, ‘Oh, are they a couple?’ And that’s nice. I thought how the world has changed, there is no disapproval. How much more civilised the world has become.”
like, can you see how this is insulting. ‘THEY’RE JUST BROS!!!”
also moffat is the worst re: women so i don’t see how anyone can hold him up as a paragon of progressiveness in any sense
it’s not canon shipping, it’s teasing viewers but never committing to an actual relationship, that is not progressive that is EXPLOITATIVE
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muselover
in March 4th, 2012 @ 15:29I think you’re missing the point slightly here. Just because the two characters aren’t gay doesn’t mean the show is homophobic, and considering how much gay characters are shown in a positive light, I think they’re taking steps to make sure that the show is quite the opposite.
About Elementary, I think it’ll be an average American TV show. That is to say, not very good.
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 17:00no, i’m saying teasing the audience and essentially baiting them with homoerotic subtext and never, ever allowing it to be more than that is homophobic because it’s exploiting a homosexual identity. this is actually incredibly common in tv shows (supernatural, suits) to have the “bromance” thing but consistently pulling back from that and shouting THEY’RE NOT ACTUALLY GAY THOUGH is insulting!
i’m not saying elementary will be mind blowingly amazing, there are huge opportunities within it to be problematic esp re orientalism but saying that it will be bad because it’s somehow not as progressive re gay issues is not something i can agree with. sherlock bbc is not helpful.
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muselover
in March 4th, 2012 @ 17:54Maybe those with a different upbringing will see this differently, so feel free to back up axa if necessary. But I don’t see this as homophobic at all. Holmes and Watson aren’t gay. The show acknowledges that they aren’t. However, it does consistently play with the modern notion of the nonexistent subtext of the original novels, giving slight winks to the audience because Moffat knows that they think that.
Imagine, if you will, two men living together as roommates. They aren’t interested in each other romantically. However, people often assume that they’re a couple, despite their efforts to counteract these notions. This is a genuine response today that you wouldn’t find in the late 1800s, and Moffat is simply acknowledging that this is the response they would get.
Again, someone else correct me if they too find issue with this.
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 19:17okay i hesitate to speak for people who are gay
but if instead of an outright depiction of a same sex relationship you get “winks” and “nudges” but never “these characters are gay they are in a relationship; it is a part of their lives and not to be an object of either comedy or fanservice”sorry i don’t see how that isn’t insulting at best and degrading at worst. it’s one thing i suppose to passingly acknowledge but the show makes consistent references to it. and again my point is that couching your argument in “recasting john as a woman is homophobic” is inherently faulty because 1)these characters are not gay in outright canon and 2) sherlock bbc DOES NOT HELP the course but continues the tradition of “winks” and “nudges” rather than an actual portrayal of gay people as PEOPLE
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muselover
in March 4th, 2012 @ 20:02But you’re going by the assumption that it doesn’t portray gay people fairly. In fact, the characters on the show who are actually gay are portrayed quite sympathetically and without any given bias.
Would you have a problem with this if Holmes and Watson simply lived together like they did in the original stories? I suspect not; it’s the constant references that bug you. I’ll just say what I’ve said before, which is that those references are realistic. Could the show work without them? Absolutely yes. Is it offensive to have them? I don’t think so.
Like I said, SOMEONE INTRUDE ON THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE GOING ANYWHERE
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 21:31we’re talking about sherlock bbc, correct?
if you’re referring to irene adler, her portrayal as a lesbian is anything but fair, it plays into the age old stereotype of lesbian sexuality being “changed” by the “right man.” she pointedly describes and identifies herself as lesbian and yet the entire focus of her arc is her relationship with sherlock (the “i am sherlocked” bit is ridiculous). i understand that sexuality is fluid but i am fairly certain that was not what the writers had in mind. the counter i’ve seen to this argument is that she’s attracted to intelligence but then why have her explicity identify as lesbian? that’s a cheap trick.i don’t really understand what you mean, teasing at guys being gay but they totally aren’t, haha! is normal? like again, what bothers me is writers teasing at a homosexual relationship but refusing to actually commit to the characterization they’re written themselves into.
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Vendaval
in March 5th, 2012 @ 15:18SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS SHERLOCK SPOILERS
I didn’t like how Sherlock was not defeated by Adler in the BBC version. She’s supposed to be one of the few people capable of outwitting him, and placing her as little more than a pawn in Moriarty’s scheming really knocks a lot of the substance out of her character. The password bit seemed to have good intent, but would have been much better done in a more subtle manner.
I think that a “saved woman” reading of her sexuality seems premature though. The scene in which she reveals to John (and accidentally Sherlock) that she’s gay, John reminds the world that he isn’t. (And the lack of respect one declaration gets especially in the face of the other is bizarre.) Adler responds with “Look at us both.” I think the clear implication was that neither of them are normally sexually attracted to men, yet both of them have fallen for Sherlock. Even if Adler is changed, then John must have been as well. If that does perpetuate the “right man” myth, then it does so in a gender/sexually balanced manner, and suggests to me Sherlock is more than a “right man”, but a “miraculous man”, or even better, just a “miracle”. Sherlock’s gender is almost irrelevant as he has -in his asexuality- had both John, a straight man, and Irene, a gay woman, fall in love with him without effort. Both explicitly identify with a sexuality, and I think both need to be taken at face value. The aspects of Sherlock that each have fallen in love with are varied (intellect and cunning, emotional stability with adventure), but both loves are equally as powerful and valid.
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Tesseract
in March 4th, 2012 @ 20:07I actually have read a decent number of extremely varied analyses on John and Sherlock’s sexualities. The best of them described Sherlock as being homo- or biromantic asexual and John as being biromantic heterosexual and the two of them as being in love but not recognizing it as such because it doesn’t fit with the way they see themselves. There are also a lot of fans who, while they may ship the two together, primarily appreciate the relationship between the two of them for the nuanced, complex friendship it is.
While I definitely see where you’re coming from, and while I don’t want to be insensitive to the situation of or speak for people who are gay either (although I wouldn’t define my own sexuality as cut-and-dry straight anymore, but that’s neither here nor there) I think that what the show is doing is not so much feeding the fandom with winks and nudges and homoerotic subtext as exploring how deep and complicated strong relationships of any kind can be. In post 23.5, you said that “the fact is that sherlock bbc is not a portrayal of a homosexual relationship and framing your argument as if it is is missing the point. moffat will tease it so you keep watching but will never, ever give you it. ”
It’s true that Sherlock BBC is not a portrayal of a homosexual relationship. I’m okay with that. They don’t need to be together. It’d be fantastic to see more representation of actual gay couples on television, but John and Sherlock don’t need to be one of those couples, because although they might be exactly “an actual portrayal of gay people as PEOPLE,” they are an amazing portrayal of people in the incredibly complexity that is human relationships.
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 22:11I’ve read some as well (and I definitely tend to agree with the biromanitc asexual Sherlock and biromantic heterosexual John reading)
I am mostly responding to a large number of Sherlock BBC fans who are calling this casting homophobic as though Sherlock/John is canon within the Sherlock BBC universe and Sherlock BBC is totally free from flaws in its representation of any relationship between them. I’m not disputing that they have a great relationship on the show but I feel like if we get down to it people are confusing fan canon with how the show is written, which is to tease at that but, like so many other shows, never actually go there. So on THAT basis I don’t think someone can argue the casting is homophobic because again there is no canon relationship.
It’s not that I don’t have reservations about it; I worry about the objectification of Asian women that no one gives a second thought to, I do wish (as is mentioned in my post below) that Sherlock had also been genderswapped, etc. It’s not like this show is GUARANTEED TO BE GREAT, i’m not saying that. But it’s the way in which fandom is choosing to argue this that doesn’t sit well with me. I understand the sentiment of saying “the dynamic is changed if John is a woman; I think that is motivated by homophobia” but i also want to point out once again, networks use the essentially homophobic “wink nudge” method to hint at a relationship without having to commit to it.
This is what Sherlock BBC does, this is what Suits does, this is what Rizzoli and Isles does, this is what House ( based on sherlock holmes) did with House and Wilson. i could go on. The “will they won’t they” dynamic of these shows is popular, as you can see in a show like Bones or pretty much any other show, except in all the previous examples they never will because networks are generally cowardly regarding same sex relationships and acting as though that cowardice (though it’s packaged to make you think otherwise!) is progressive is backward to me.
I would also look to some of the arguments of Irene Adler (whose characterization i have huge problems with as i have said but i won’t get into that lol let’s not make this even longer than it is sigh) and how certain sections of fandom call her any number of gendered insults and want her to get out of the way of her ship. You can’t champion one cause while denigrating another group. That’s my point.
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oxlin
in March 4th, 2012 @ 23:22Yeah. I mostly appreciate their relationship as being a strong friendship. I am glad that there is representation of asexuality on TV because, sure there ought to be more gay relationships represented too but there are not many ace ones.
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Vendaval
in March 6th, 2012 @ 22:58I agree with muselover and tesseract on this point; while depictions of homosexual relationships in popular media are mostly homophobic and blatantly ignorant at worst to shallow and dismissive at best, the platonic and strong male-male relationship (in Sherlock at least, I haven’t really seen most of these other shows referenced) is not subtly homophobic. My personal judgment is strongly clouded on this, because I’ve been in numerous relationships of that nature. And our culture doesn’t really seem to have a good name for it… best friend? bromance?
Acknowledging that deep homosocial relationships (I think homoromantic is the correct word, but “romantic” carries sexual connotations) exist is the media taking a step in the right direction. The media should also be full of gay people as actual people, no question about it. But how often are any people depicted as actual people in popular media? When asked about the depiction of scientists as socially inept immature males on Big Bang Theory, Neil deGrasse Tyson said “It’s mainstreaming the culture of science. Note to those who criticize it: Where were you when scientists were always portrayed as lab-coat donning crazy people hell bent on destroying the world?”
It’s going to take time for the media, not to mention society, to accept gay people and their relationships as normal. This doesn’t excuse subtle homophobia, but what seems to be happening from my perspective is that very realistic and innocuous questioning about homosocial relationships is being mistaken for homoerotic subtext. These homosocial relationships are important in their own right and comparing them to homosexual relationships doesn’t diminish the validity of homosexual relationships.
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axa
in March 8th, 2012 @ 01:10i think i’m mostly talking about to fandom’s tendency to respond to the sherlock/john relationship (and those like it) as if it were a canon homosexual relationship. Fandom is not reflective of the intent (i misspelled this as internet like three times wow BRAIN MELTDOWN) of the writers and i think this is forgotten very quickly. there’s nothing wrong with these kinds of hard-to-define friendships, the genderswap does raise valid questions but i just really don’t feel that the portion of fandom that’s making the most noise about this is coming from a place of real concern. i’m not saying don’t ship it! i ship it, let’s be real! but acting like ranting about this change while denigrating other minority groups is anyhting other than a jerk move just sets me on edge.
and re: irene adler, i am disinclined to find anything within the series balanced in terms of gender etc since its treatment of women is generally pretty negative (wow did i feel uncomfortable seeing irene adler on her knees about to be murdered in the end there!) when a self identified lesbian’s major interest is in a show’s male protagonist, i am just gonna call shenanigans on that. position sherlock as this guy who is so great even lesbians fall in love with him is just…i don’t know, i don’t understand the point of that. my understand of irene is that she is the only person whose identity is not sublimated in some way to sherlock’s, he’s under her thumb, and it just seems reversed here.
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Vendaval
in March 8th, 2012 @ 05:24ahhhh, that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I don’t really know the fandom but from what I’ve seen it would drive me crazy.
and re: irene adler, I guess I feel more okay with Sherlock being an over the top character and adler falling for him, but that should not have cost adler her independence… especially when you’re so right about the show lacking gender balance. here’s to hoping for a worthy Mary Marston!
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ZNZ
in March 4th, 2012 @ 13:13I think the Sherlock fandom is, by and large, being quite immature about the whole thing, and it strikes me as strange how many people are making statements about how terrible horrible no good very bad the show is without having seen any of it.
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TNÖ
in March 8th, 2012 @ 03:09See, the main thing for me is that the timing seems… questionable, in that Sherlock is massively popular and suddenly CBS has their own modern Sherlock Holmes. I’m all for more adaptions, generally, it’s just that I’m afraid Elementary is going to just be a cheap attempt to cash in on Sherlock‘s popularity. Certainly I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and give it a try, but my hopes are not high.
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Castle
in March 4th, 2012 @ 13:52I really dislike the idea itself. It might come out well, but JOHN WATSON. These people don’t have to toss in a female main actor to attract a wider viewer demographic. I’m really sick of all the token minorities and all these people trying to make sure everyone knows they’re not racist and sexist by making every other main character prominently non-white-male. All it does is draw my attention more and make me think they’re trying too hard when really, if they just STOPPED trying, racism and sexism would GO AWAY.
My point being: please. Please cast whoever you want as anyone else. But Sherlock Holmes. John Watson. They are Sherlock Holmes and John Watson, and you don’t call it Sherlock and not have John Watson be himself. I’m not going to view him/her as the Watson I know and love from the books and the British adaptation because it’s NOT AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL. It’s like casting Natalie Portman as Indiana Jones. Never mind that you’re wrecking the character and the way I imagined en! The show is diverse now!
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 14:48“if they just STOPPED trying, racism and sexism would GO AWAY. ”
okay i’m taking big breaths heresaying “stop paying attention to racism and it will go away” is so incredibly privileged. you are essentially telling people of color to stop complaining and things will get better. that’s not how it works. do you know how incredibly white washed tv is? you’ve answered your own question: so much that the casting of a person of color is “token” and seems out of place.
to quote gaborey sibide: “If I see myself on screen, I know that I exist”
do you know how often an asian american is given the chance to act in a major role that isn’t essentially there for jokes (haha! smart asian! ahah! those crazy asians!)like i am actually shaking right now! wow this makes me angry because it is so ingrained in people’s minds! what is a token minority, pray tell? you know what i’d love? i’d love an all female cast of sherlock holmes! i’d love to see bi and gay and trans characters afforded actual space that doesn’t dehumanize them by making them fetishized OBJECTS! i’d love an all black cast of sherlock! do you know that arthur conan doyle didn’t give two cakes about the canon? if we can modernize it, put it in modern day london or new york doesn’t it strike you as odd it’s STILL TWO WHITE GUYS?
i’m sorry these crazy asians and women are ruining your white male show! pardon me!
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Cat's Eye
in March 4th, 2012 @ 15:40While I wouldn’t put my disagreement quite as strongly as Axa, I do kind of concur with the point. “Elementary” is an adaptation, and that does mean it’s going to adapt. Heck, it’s not as if the “real” Sherlock and Watson would have texted each other, or as if the “real” Irene Adler would have been a sex worker. The “real” Sherlock definitely wasn’t American, let’s not forget.
And… yeah. If we “stop trying”, racism and sexism won’t “go away”. They’ll get worse. The fight for social justice is one that’s difficult, and never-ending, and requires people to work on it every second of every day. Would you call Kirk and Uhura’s first kiss in the original Star Trek tokenism? Because it was the very first interracial kiss on television. How about Willow and Tara’s first kiss? Same deal, but for lesbians. And yet anyone who says Kirk and Uhura’s relationship, or Willow and Tara’s, is tokenism and pointless would be wrong. (Actually anyone who insults Willow and Tara goes on my personal hit list but that is a Story For Another Time.)
People were saying the same thing when Marvel Ultimates brought out a biracial Spiderman. (At least, I think it was Ultimates, correct me if I’m wrong.) They were going on about how comic books were pandering to liberals in order to further the something-or-other agenda, how Spiderman was a National Icon and changing him was tatamount to saying George Washington could, in fact, tell a lie. And I saw a little Indian-American kid walking out of a comic book store looking like Christmas had come early, babbling to his mom about how ridiculously happy he was because finally, finally, Spiderman looked like him.
Do I have issues with John Watson becoming Joan? Heck yes, mostly because I’m pretty sure it was just done so Sherlock/Watson could be a thing without their relationship being OMG GAY. But do I have issues with women, with POCs, with queer people finally showing up in books and television and movies? Heck no. Because finally, finally, my heroes are starting to look like me.
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Tesseract
in March 4th, 2012 @ 16:41I agree with this. I’m not thrilled about John becoming Joan because I find it likely that it was done for the sake of furthering a romantic relationship between Dr. Watson and Sherlock. The gender of one character did not need to have been changed in order for the two of them to become involved. I wish I didn’t immediately jump to this as being the reason for the genderswap, but considering most American movies and shows heavily feature romantic relationships, considering that there are still very few gay couples on major TV shows, and considering the producers of the show probably know that there is an enormous Watson/Holmes ship fanbase, I find it to be the most likely reason. I really do hope I’m wrong.
I am, however, thrilled with the fact that an Asian-American woman will be playing a role that is not about her race.
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KaiYves
in March 4th, 2012 @ 16:42Yes, it was the Ultimate Universe, Miles Morales is Ultimate Spider-Man.
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POSOC
in March 4th, 2012 @ 15:46“do you know how often an asian american is given the chance to act in a major role that isn’t essentially there for jokes (haha! smart asian! ahah! those crazy asians!)”
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Nobody’s Asian in the movies,
Nobody’s Asian on TV,
If there’s a part there for us,
It’s a ninja, a physician, or a goofy mathematician, or a groupie in the chorus…
–Maurissa Tancharoen, “Commentary! The Musical”
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But seriously, even this song is kind of jarring when you remember it’s from a production by Joss “Let’s Create An Asian-Influenced Future Culture And Then Cast Absolutely Zero Asians” Whedon.
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oxlin
in March 4th, 2012 @ 23:32“to quote gaborey sibide: “If I see myself on screen, I know that I exist—
Yeah. There are /so many/ groups of people who DON’T SEE THEMSELVES ANYWHERE. If you don’t know that you exist, if you don’t have the words to describe yourself (mostly applying to various trans* and queer people) then YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON’T EXIST.
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Choklit Orange
in March 4th, 2012 @ 23:54I think it’s great that minority actors and women are finally getting decent roles, but I think you may have missed Castle’s point, which was- correct me if I’m wrong, Castle- that by going out of their way to avoid implied racism or sexism, producers are turning it into more of an issue; if we lived in a truly race-blind society, people would be slower to find fault with a show for its lack of diversity, because characters and actors would be judged on their acting ability and character development, not on whether they represented a particular racial or ethnic group. I think it’s partly true, although since television in general tends to follow a lot of stereotypes and could do with a lot more diversity, it doesn’t really apply there.
At any rate, increasing the diversity of a show is great. It’s wonderful to see people like me on television in prominent roles, when they’re not walking stereotypes (this is why Glee bugs me). However, adding diversity just for the sake of diversity doesn’t necessarily make a show any objectively better, even if it makes it more appealing to me, and probably to you. Similarly- changing the gender of a character just so that their relationships will seem more acceptable to a certain audience, whether or not that’s what’s happening with Joan Watson, is ridiculous. However, if the producers are changing Watson’s character because they genuinely think it’ll make the show more interesting or add new plot twists, then I’m all for it, and it will be good to see another minority woman on screen.
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axa
in March 5th, 2012 @ 01:54as they are used, the concepts of a colorblind or postracial society are still very much assuming white identities as a default. when someone tells me they “don’t see” race, what i hear is that they don’t want to think about it. (And also, this sets aside culture/history, which are both important. i am different, i want to be a full individual true to my differences, but i don’t want to be treated differently, as less. it’s a fine line, it’s all very difficult to parse…)
i guess i’m bothered by the assumption that any casting of a person of color is done only out of a desire to be “politically correct” because, what’s the implication there? the show might not be better, but i’ll still appreciate it.i mean, of course i am wary of how the relationship will be treated because television in general is not good about this, as i think we can all mostly agree. swapping one of them and not the other is a strange choice. but once again my main problem is the manner in which the arguments against this are being made. i do not have delusions of tv networks being progressive so i’m not doing the opposite and like saying “all hail cbs, king of kings” or whatever. i’m just so tired of how fandoms respond to women and people of color. frankly, it is exhausting.
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axa
in March 5th, 2012 @ 00:57also to amend this, i should have included asexual folks in that list for people who need more representation in tv! argh!
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Selcothe Sicaria
in March 5th, 2012 @ 06:35YES. THIS.
I really want to see more awesome people in television (women especially, because it seems to be considered less ok for them, from what I’ve seen) who are just not really interested in romance or sex. That would be FANTASTIC.And I don’t mean like throwing it in your face every on-screen moment that “I don’t need no man” (or woman, or whomever), I mean like honestly asexual. Like it’s just not a big deal, because they don’t CARE.
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vanillabean3.141
in March 8th, 2012 @ 21:40Yes please.
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Castle
in March 5th, 2012 @ 18:10I just voiced my opinion terribly. It could be that I typed it too fast, it could be that it was written 45 hours into my sleep deprivation session, whatever. I’m not going to try to make excuses for it. The point is it was terribly written and conveyed completely the wrong message.
On racial and gender diversity in television in general:
Why on EARTH would you not have this? The more the better. Please. Please do so. I honestly do not give a crap. As long as they’re semi-decent actresses/actors, I do not give two flying batmen what race or gender my characters are. I completely agree with you that television is white washed. The majority of it is white males. The majority of the COUNTRY is white. 63%, in fact. In the coming years it is statistically likely that it is going to continue to be a white majority, although less and less each year. That’s not something we can change.
In Sherlock:
I am a very stick-to-the-canon person. Think about it – would you have wanted Harry Potter to become Harriet Potter? In my eyes, no! I’m not displaying a preference for males, I’m displaying the desire to have the image of the character in my mind transitioned accurately to the screen. I pictured Harry, when I read the books, as white, because he is white on the cover of the first book. I’m not going by my personal preference (not really any! If Jack from Lost had been a Hispanic female I still would have loved it) here, I’m going by how the characters are presented to me in the book. I see John Watson and Sherlock Holmes as being white males because that is how they were shown to me. It’s not that I’d rather see white males. I was not aware that Doyle didn’t care about canon, actually.
What I meant by that comment about racism and sexism going away was that I wish we’d all just stop caring. Because it would. If no one cared, no one would care. I wish that no one cared so that I could just not have to worry about stepping on someone’s toes when I talk about it. It’s not going to do that, but I try to just never give a crap. I’m sorry if it came across as flippant and ignorant.
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Castle
in March 5th, 2012 @ 18:16SFTDP:
That last bit was contradictory. To avoid further confusion:
I don’t care what race/gender a character is in a new, original work of fiction. I don’t want to see Tupac played by a white guy in a movie about his life, I don’t want to see Hermione portrayed by a man not because I care that they are white or female but because Tupac was a black man and Hermione is/was a white female. If it has canon or is nonfiction, I enjoy seeing things stick to canon.
If it’s an original series, like 24 or Lost or Modern Family, I really don’t care what race or gender the actors are. Thinking back, 24 was actually a very diverse show.
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Cat's Eye
in March 5th, 2012 @ 18:26So why do you find Sherlock and Watson being American acceptable? And why are you okay with it being set in the modern day? Those certainly aren’t canonical. This is an honest question, by the way; I really want to know your opinion.
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Castle
in March 5th, 2012 @ 19:50I don’t find it acceptable. I plan on sticking with BBC’s Sherlock because as stated previously I like canon a lot. I might watch Elementary (I’m not going to miss out because I dislike the changed made to the characters) but I’m not going to view it as Sherlock Holmes because they will no longer be the characters I imagined.
I’m okay with it being set in the modern day because I care more about the characters’ canon than the set pieces and scenery. I develop more of a connection to the character than the environment when reading a book because books leave it up to me to visualize things. TV and movies don’t do that. Nothing is left to the imagination.
tl;dr American not acceptable, connection to people and not world around them.
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Enceladus
in March 7th, 2012 @ 06:04So what’s your opinion on West Side Story?
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in March 5th, 2012 @ 18:19According to population statistics (assuming current trends continue) by 2042 no race or ethnic group will hold a population majority in the United States.
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Choklit Orange
in March 5th, 2012 @ 18:44Also, according to Robert, I’ll be the prime minister of Singapore.
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KaiYves
in March 5th, 2012 @ 19:08The future will be quite interesting…
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Maths Lover ♥
in March 5th, 2012 @ 20:28I like that idea. I read a book series a while ago where everyone whose appeareance was described seemed to be white, and my reaction was “Okay, I know this is a white guy writing in the US in the 1950s, but isn’t it more likely that people 11,000 years in the future would be mixed race or something?” (Cake, most of my SF fandoms have that flaw)
I think if absolutely everyone stopped caring that would work in theory, but the I think the problem is that if some people stop caring then those who do would be ignored/find it easier to be racist(or whatever the form of discrimination is) jerks/ operate on sterotypical assumptions about other groups they never question.
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axa
in March 5th, 2012 @ 20:11no, it wouldn’t. you’re asking women and people of color to forget their history and oppression, to just “get over it” so you don’t have to think about institutionalized racism (which is how arguments like the kind i’m seeing in sherlock bbc come up with out anyone giving it a second thought)
it’s not like i don’t have a huge load of privilege myself, we all have privilege of some kind.
my point here looking at the objections to the casting on a larger level is that we all need to think about what informs our arguments with that privilege in mind. i’m not here just to stomp around, i didn’t want to get into this because i actually find it very difficult to try to address these problems because it really gets me down. but it is something that i feel is important, so i want to talk about it.
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Lizzie
in March 5th, 2012 @ 20:50No, I don’t think you conveyed the wrong message, because what you’re saying in this post is the same thing that you said in that. Problems that arise from racism are a lot more than just having to worry about stepping on someone’s toes when talking about it. You have the luxury to “never give a cake” because you are of the majority race. There’s a very good essay by Peggy McIntosh entitled “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” which I strongly suggest you google and read.
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Castle
in March 5th, 2012 @ 22:51I will do so. Thank you.
That’s what this place is here for, isn’t it? To open our minds.
And to take over the world. That too.
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POSOC
in March 5th, 2012 @ 23:55THE MORE YOU KNOW
*stars and rainbows*
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Lizzie
in March 7th, 2012 @ 10:40I’ll be interested to hear your reactions.
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oxlin
in March 7th, 2012 @ 17:56Same here.
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oxlin
in March 4th, 2012 @ 23:28” All it does is draw my attention more and make me think they’re trying too hard when really, if they just STOPPED trying, racism and sexism would GO AWAY.”
That is not how it works. Not at all. Racism and sexism are things you need to fight against. It might be harder to see them in the world if one has white privilege or male privilege, but that doesn’t mean that they are there affecting people’s lives and who is cast on TV is only one way that it is present and it is a way that can be fought against, but it is hard and tough and needs to be actively fought by casting people of color and women in strong roles. If you want an example, look at the casting of the Last Airbender movie. All white cast for a movie about characters of color. That is Hollywood and it needs to change.
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axa
in March 4th, 2012 @ 17:19like yall i guess i’m sorry if i come off too strong here but you have to understand that, for me, seeing someone who looks like me on tv is a big step because people of color are so wholly erased in media. how often have you had to really search for someone who looked like you on tv? in movies? erasure of minorities in media is an issue that is NEAR AND DEAR to me and hearing it widely dismissed as “politically correct” is disheartening.
and like, i want you all to understand this! it is so important! because it’s not just about casting in a tv show, media is EVERYTHING. media is reflective of how society thinks. do you know the most common reason for not casting minorities in leading roles? “no one wants to see that” tjhat’s the reason the avatar movie was whitewashed, movie companies cannot even conceive of fans of a show that is BASED ON asian cultures wanting to see asian american movies stars on the screen.
i’m copy-pasting this from another site because i think it explains things better than i do.
Person 1: I like Lucy Liu, and I’m pleased they’re casting a WOC as Watson because TV NEVER does that, but I’m worried they’re just doing this so they can slap them together while avoiding homoeroticism or, heaven forbid, gay people.
Person 2: welllllllll
in my experience network television rarely ever shies away from homoerotic subtext between two white male leads. what they do tend to avoid is TEXTUALLY portraying two male (or female) characters in a same-sex romance, or even bother to put queer characters in the background. so what you end up with is a lot of closeness between two guys (because women rarely get to be co-leads let’s be real) that isn’t ever allowed to be more than that, instead it’s just teased at. a lot. because the networks know we’ll eat it up. so you get a lot of coded ‘no-homo’ jokes that reinforce how it’s never going to happen, and in fact that the idea of it is laughable, and show creators chuckling nervously about how they’re flattered but the close partnership between the two dudes they wrote was soooo not intended to be read as romantic i mean ew right
which happens on show after show after showÂ
and as I see it that is WAY more of a blatant rejection of homosexuality than genderflipping a traditionally male character. which is all that has happened here. the way i see it there’s a few leaps being made that make me unable to follow most of the concern trolling [i’m seeing]:
– that casting a woman is ‘hetting’ up ACD’s Holmes (when neither the original text nor ANY adaptation i can name were ever textually queer to begin with, as awesome as that would’ve been. i’m tired of subtext, when will we finally get some text?)
– that Joan and Sherlock are OBVIOUSLY going to hook up (which isn’t quite so obvious when the Joan is a woman of color, it’s just not) (but also the assumption that a woman would NATURALLY only be brought in so that a romance could happen is faulty because it stems from fandom’s tendency to conflate women with icky girly romance and other things that have no place in their traditionally male-centric canons).
– that Lucy Liu’s casting is the problem and not Jonny Lee Miller’s (when the only problem I can see is that Sherlock wasn’t also genderflipped).
Fandom’s rage over all this is very typical and it’s an extension of the boys’-club mentality that forms around canons that hyperfocus on white straight male homosocial relationships, and that tend to marginalize anyone who isn’t that. The shows (and there are a lot of them) do it, and then the fans follow suit. There’s a lot of valid reasons to not be on board with another Holmes adaptation, but I don’t think this is one of them because I’ve seen it too many times before.i’m not trying to tell you that it’s more important to cast a woman of color, i am not attempting to put down depictions of homosexual relationships in media. but the fact is that sherlock bbc is not a portrayal of a homosexual relationship and framing your argument as if it is is missing the point. moffat will tease it so you keep watching but will never, ever give you it. and the reason at the end of the day is because he doesn’t want to, and that is homophobic. i enjoy that show! i do, i really do. but it has huge problems.
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oxlin
in March 4th, 2012 @ 23:30Mary Morstan/Joan Watson ftw. I ship them already. Also I wish Sherlock were being played by a woman.
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axa
in March 5th, 2012 @ 01:55SAME
I REALLY WANT THIS
A LOT
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in March 4th, 2012 @ 17:30At what point does it become silly to continue calling them Holmes and Watson? Would any changes in setting or characterization be too extreme to support allusions to Sherlock Holmes?
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POSOC
in March 4th, 2012 @ 19:50I’m not going to hold forth on the semantics of faithful adaptation, but in my opinion it wouldn’t become “silly” as long as key character traits remained intact — Holmes’s remarkable deductive skills and Watson’s capable loyalty, for instance. If Holmes was a bumbling, hypersocial teetotaler and Watson was a bitter genius forensic analyst, I think that might be going too far. Quibbling over the casting of non-white, non-male actors seems narrow-minded, especially when you consider that ACD wasn’t particularly progressive himself, and didn’t really care about “canon” as Axa pointed out. He got so sick of Holmes that he killed him off deliberately — I doubt he’d be spinning in his grave.
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Vendaval
in March 4th, 2012 @ 22:03Worrying about a modern adaptation sullying the good name of a famous series seems silly to me, not in the least because it might not match the caliber of the original work. Any series great enough to warrant an adaptation must have the quality, or that potential for quality already present. Some modern remakes like Battlestar Galactica are better than their source material, but acknowledge the foundation work that was necessary. Once Upon A Time doesn’t thrill viewers with the terror, charm, or creativeness found in the stories collected by the Brothers Grimm, but modern viewers are also aware that Once is an adaptation heavily reliant upon those old tales. I don’t think anyone thinks less of the original works because modern adaptations let them down.
As others have pointed out, ACD was no stickler for canon- killing off Holmes, then bringing him back from the dead when fans clamored for him. If he saw an adaptation with Holmes as a detective, no, let’s make him more interesting, a detective doctor? Perhaps still with a drug abuse problem and a surgeon sidekick but in a modern setting… I think ACD would approve of House. It keeps superficial details like H & W intact, but it asks deeper questions about the human condition and relationships than ACD did, while maintaining the genius detective work aspect.
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in March 5th, 2012 @ 09:51Mmm… I haven’t watched either series. I’m going to withhold my judgement until I see the series itself: on one hand, it might just be a gimmick to appeal to more viewers, on the other, we might really get a strong female co-lead- if they don’t set up some sappy romance. The question is if/how much they’ll change Holmes’ character, and that’ll make or break it from my POV.
But seriously, sometimes positive discrimination just turns everything into a mockery. For instance, about a year ago everyone was abuzz about “Austria’s Next Topmodel” being racist because almost all the contestants were caucasian. Well, sorry, but since a whopping 96% of the population is caucasian (with 2,4% unspecified), I’m really not to thrilled that they went crazy trying to get ethnic diversity- essentially, if you’re not-caucasian (or black, because they had that last season) and show up for casting, you’re going to win.
We can’t rely on tv to be an accurate portrayal of society or even of an ideal society. Right now, most of the attempts at diversity seem to just encourage stereotypes (really, glee?). That doesn’t mean we have to give up, but is it really too hard to create a series with a strong, ethnically diverse characters or do we just have to take characters people know and love and try to plug someone more diverse-er and modern-er in? This just all seems to be causing a pointless hate-fest. Let Lucy Liu have a go at it, I’m sure she’s a good actress, I just hope the writers won’t screw everything up.
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axa
in March 5th, 2012 @ 13:41again you guys need to reconsider the thinking that calls casting of POC as a “gimmick”. why is being inclusive seen as being try hard? and even though the modeling business is different and i can’t totally speak to that, i don’t really know what you mean by positive discrimination. if austria has at least at 10% non-white population then having one contestant of color is at least proportional? what’s it to you, really? i’m tired of people saying every time a minority wins/gets into college/makes some kind of achievement they only did it because they’re ___ race. don’t i have capabilities of my own? or can i only be successful when the white power structure tells me i can?
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Vendaval
in March 6th, 2012 @ 22:28I think bookgirl uses European notation, 2.4% of the population is unspecified. And I don’t want to speak for her, but I think she’s saying that forced inclusion of minorities can actually be detrimental to those minorities’ representation in the media. I guess I don’t really see it as that much of a problem, Glee feels awkward, but the Magic School Bus never did!
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bookgirl_me
in March 7th, 2012 @ 09:04Sorry, forgot about the whole notation thing. I couldn’t find a better statistic: but what I’m saying is that the black, asian and everything-but-caucasian-or-middle-eastern population combined is still only about 2,4%, so I don’t see how it’s racist if the show is almost entirely caucasian- if they have about 20 contestants or something like that, it’s only about one “diverse” candidate every other cycle realistically. My problem is that they keep trying to push for more diversity to avoid and it just comes off completely artificial and stilted. Plus, whenever they actually find someone, it’s constantly about them being so “exotic” etc etc which actually sets them even more apart. I just don’t see the point of saying, hey, let’s try to make a say 50%-50% ratio if that doesn’t reflect the ethnicities of the population (never mind where they’re going to find the candidates). Especially since the entire “drama” in the show ended up being all the other candidates tip-toeing around trying to be politically correct because one of them was *gasp* black. I have no idea how that’s supposed to help ethnic minorities.
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muselover
in March 6th, 2012 @ 17:55DOCTOR WHO SERIES 6 IS NOW STREAMING ON NETFLIX
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in March 6th, 2012 @ 18:22Huzzah! Now I can watch it on other people’s computers and it will actually be loud (because my computer’s left speaker is broken)!
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Agent Lightning
in March 6th, 2012 @ 19:24I seriously almost screamed out loud when I saw this in the RC bar.
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cromwell
in March 6th, 2012 @ 18:22Since I would rather comment on the entire debate that 23 has spawned rather than a specific comment, I will say this right here. I have started reading a textbook called “Social Problems”. It basically looks at problems, mostly in US society, from a sociological perspective. It argues that whites, and usually the dominant (not majority) race in any society, consider themselves raceless. No one talks about how whites are portrayed, and commentary on ‘white society’ is mostly by minorities. But Hispanics talk all the time about their culture and customs. Blacks do too-just watch the Chapelle show. The point is it’s much easier for whites to propose ignoring race as a solution, or, for that matter, for Protestants to promote faith in general. That just ignores the institutional discrimination.
Socially, there are boundaries and customs we’ve set up. If two applicants apply for a job that does not require college education, and one has a college education, is it racist to choose that one? Blacks and Hispanics do go to college less. There are problems that don’t go away by ignoring race.
Gender may be a different issue. Some say that gender roles are stifling and socially constructed without any basis in biology, but I don’t think ignoring gender in everything would be possible or effective.
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Agent Lightning
in March 6th, 2012 @ 19:25Wrong thread?
But you’ve brought up some interesting points.
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Agent Lightning
in March 6th, 2012 @ 19:26SFTDP: Never mind, I just read all the coments above yours.
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Maths Lover ♥
in March 7th, 2012 @ 03:18I’ve noticed that the white people I know, myself included, have a really mixed heritage, so it’s not surprising that so many of us(not all- I can think of some exceptions,) don’t belong to one of those subgroups and are just “eh, I’m a regular Australian”. Meanwhile the Asians I know tend to have ancestors from just one place, so even if they don’t consider themselves as coming from there they have plenty of family members who do and generally identify with or know more about it. (There are other minority race people I know, but enough to draw those kinds of conclusions). Not that the fact the whites are currently a majority here doesn’t have a lot to do it, but that’s not all of it.
That seems different from male being seen as default despite not being the majority, or straight as default and every other orientation abnormal.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in March 7th, 2012 @ 10:14That’s an interesting point–and it reminds me of the fact that at one point, it wasn’t just being white that mattered. Europeans where divided up into these little subgroups too–Northern European, Eastern Europe, Mediterranean. And there was discrimination against the latter two groups.* A few generations down the line and everyone’s too mixed to distinguish between them.
*It wasn’t as bad as discrimination suffered by other minorities, but it is worth noting.
It’s entirely likely that given a few more generations between immigration for the country of origin and the current generation will blur things between, say HIspanics or Asians, at the same time increased mixed race couples blur the lines between everything in general.
Of course, anything you say about immigrants and the eventual journey to acceptance within the greater American community doesn’t apply to African Americans. Assimilation* is generally regarded as occurring completely within three generations, but African Americans have been here far longer and have developed an entirely different thing. Probably due to a lot of reasons–their ancestors were forced to come to the United States, followed by centuries of enforced discrimination.
*Stereotypes of the group in question can last a lot longer, though, but at some point I think a lot of the younger members of the group try and appropriate that stereotype for themselves. At least, in my experience.
And I know we weren’t talking about immigration at all, but I had to mention it.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in March 7th, 2012 @ 11:26There wasn’t just generalized “discrimination against” southern and eastern Europeans; in the United States, there were immigration quotas.
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Vendaval
in March 8th, 2012 @ 05:04The Irish are a particularly telling case- today they’re thought of as some of the “whitest” Americans, but during the Great Famine they were seen as alcoholic barbarians, far too uncivilized to be “white” like the English.
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Piggy
in March 8th, 2012 @ 07:34There’s some other interesting cases of racism too. One of my ancestors changed the pronunciation of our surname to sound less German during the first World War. Not that anti-German American sentiment was a novelty. Like the Irish, most German immigrants were Catholic and so faced the hatred of many groups like the Know Nothings. The Polish, too–that’s one of the few European groups that still has a halfway well-known racial slur here. The discrimination is gone by now, but I can still see the effects.
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muselover
in March 8th, 2012 @ 07:46I didn’t know that Lastnamerson was a German name…
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in March 8th, 2012 @ 08:20That may depend on where and when you’re talking about. In the areas I’m most familiar with, the Germans were mostly Lutheran or from other groups, such as the Moravians, Brethren, Mennonite, Amish, and so forth. (My own German ancestors were Moravian.)
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Piggy
in March 8th, 2012 @ 08:40True. Around here I guess there were a lot of German Catholics. Lutherans too, but a fair number of Catholics.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in March 8th, 2012 @ 09:59Areas settled by Prussians were mostly Protestant; areas settled by Bavarians were mostly Catholic.
A lot of renaming and such went on when the United States entered the First World War. The German-language newspapers in Milwaukee went out of business, and a small town called New Berlin changed not its name but the pronunciation of its name, to “New BUR-lin.” (That’ll fool ’em.)
The Germans who came over in the early 18th Century, including my proto-Coontz ancestors, had their problems, too. The earlier, English-descended settlers gave them land on the frontier as a buffer against the Indians. Later, when the Revolutionary War broke out, both sides complained that the Germans were insufficiently enthusiastic about fighting. All worn out from Indian raids, I suppose.
(Of course, as we’ve seen repeatedly throughout history, victims of injustice can turn into energetic perpetrators of injustice after they’ve climbed a few rungs up the ladder and a new minority comes along…)
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bookgirl_me
in March 8th, 2012 @ 10:01Heh. Most Americans I meet who hear my last name assume I’m jewish… I’m not really sure why. I have to admit, I use whatever half of my last name is more culturally appropriate simply because of the sheer amount of time it takes to explain the spelling.
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agrrrfishi
in March 7th, 2012 @ 12:19One of my best friends started, and finished, Series 1 last night and is now a full-blown Whovian.
FANDOM REJOICE
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vanillabean3.141
in March 8th, 2012 @ 21:46*REJOICES*
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ZNZ
in March 10th, 2012 @ 14:32A while ago I started Doctor Who. I was watching chronologically, but I only ever saw the first three serials before we stopped getting Netflix. Today I was looking up a One serial that I saw a blog post about (“The Space Museum”), and saw a link to watch the whole thing, and it transpires that TvTropes has links for lots and lots of Old Who serials. (I assume all of them, but I haven’t checked all of them because that would be boring.) So I’ve just started the second episode of “The Space Museum” and then I’m going back and watching chronologically. sdfghkljl’ so excited. Now all I need is time. (no “time” jokes here, no sir.)
(As to Marco Polo: It’s the next from where I left off, and there’s a link to a colour reconstruction; is it worth it to watch reconstructions, or should I just skip it?)
You know, everyone always recommends starting with New Who, but I’m glad I didn’t. I don’t mind black and white, and I adore the writing and characters (I JUST LOVE BARBARA AND IAN AND ONE A LOT OKAY). Everyone says the special effects are rubbish, but… yeah, okay, the special effects are kind of rubbish, I can’t actually deny that one, But they’re also incredibly endearing.
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ZNZ
in March 10th, 2012 @ 15:10*I assume not all of them.
I apologise for the accidental word omission.
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Agent Lightning
in March 10th, 2012 @ 16:59Series six now streaming!
Count so far: Three episodes. I know all the spoilers and it’s killing me not to tell my mom and my sister…
My mom is actually really confused because the missed the bit where Amy and Rory got married. You just can’t fall asleep during a Moffat episode! Myself, I try not to even blink.
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agrrrfishi
in March 10th, 2012 @ 22:35” I am your new undercover agent from Scotland Yard. Codename: The Doctor. These are my top operatives: The Legs, The Nose, and Mrs. Robinson.”
“Oh, I hate you.”
“No, you don’t.”
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Kittymine, OSW
in March 11th, 2012 @ 06:27I am totally hooked on The Twilight Zone now, ever since we watched an episode in class. Unfortunately, the computers block YouTube…
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Zinc
in March 20th, 2012 @ 17:43I don’t remember you
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shadowfire
in March 21st, 2012 @ 08:28No, Zinc. We must have hope.
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Rainbow*Storm
in March 20th, 2012 @ 18:34So apparently Joss Whedon said he’d still be interested in doing Firefly if he has the chance?
GUYS. WE MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WHEDON 2012. OCCUPY THE ‘VERSE. THEY CAN’T STOP THE SIGNAL.
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Cerulean Pyros
in March 21st, 2012 @ 08:48New information about the upcoming Doctor Who companion change!
The actress’s name is Jenna-Louise Coleman. Of her, I found this: “‘It’s not often the Doctor meets someone who can talk even faster than he does, but it’s about to happen. Jenna is going to lead him his merriest dance yet,’ Moffat said. ‘And that’s all you’re getting for now. Who she’s playing, how the Doctor meets her, and even where he finds her, are all part of one of the biggest mysteries the Time Lord ever encounters. Even by the Doctor’s standards, this isn’t your usual boy meets girl.'”
Of the exit of Amy {Sigh.} and Rory {Sob.}, I found Moffat said this: “Amy and Rory will leave in a final encounter w/ the Weeping Angels in ep 5. Not everyone gets out alive & I mean it this time.”
Shall we discuss all this?
I hope Coleman is fab. I’m going to miss Amy and my Centurion, but Weeping Angels! Yay!
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Cerulean Pyros
in March 21st, 2012 @ 09:24Addendum: Found something more: “It was also confirmed that we can expect six episodes this year including a Christmas Special which is when Jenna will make her first Doctor Who appearance, and a further eight episodes next year.”
Sounds like we’ll need to wait until late fall, then.
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Agent Lightning
in March 21st, 2012 @ 18:32SPOILERS POSSIBLE SPOILERS UPCOMING DOCTOR WHO SEASON POSSIBLE SPOILERS POSSIBLE SPOILERS POSSIBLE SPOILERS UPCOMING DOCTOR WHO SEASON
*finds article* “Not everybody gets out alive”? I’m scared. I don’t want either of them to die I don’t want either of them to die I don’t want either of them to die…
And I hope he does Weeping Angels nicely. I really, really hope it’s not another Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone because I thought that was a bit overdone.
I can’t wait for the new season, though.
How do I wait? *tears hair out*
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Cat's Eye
in March 22nd, 2012 @ 20:54So I just started (as in, thirteen episodes in) watching “Avatar: The Last Airbender”, which as a kid I’d never seen. Yeah, yeah, I know. Blame it on my parents.
Anyway. oh my GOD this is the best show EVER. I may have kids for the explicit purpose of making them watch this show. I have been going around classifying everybody I know into Air Benders and Water Benders and Earth Benders and Fire Benders, and I have all these feelings about the Fire Nation and its whole culture of honor and respect, and oh my god the Zuko feelings are EVERYWHERE.
And Katara on a good day is identical to me on a good day, and Uncle Iroh and I should be best friends and go to live in harmony in a land of unicorns and ginseng tea, yes/yes?
Someone who watched it as a kid or is watching it now, come squee with me!
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oxlin
in March 22nd, 2012 @ 21:46YESSSS….
Iroh is the best and we’ll all have tea and be happy
and everyone else is awesome too!
What episode are you on? This is one of my favorite shows ever (tied with Babylon 5) so I am quite glad you’re watching it!Oh whoops. I see you say thirteen episodes in. Would you spoiler tag and tell me what is going on at the point you are at?
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Cat's Eye
in March 23rd, 2012 @ 18:51SPOILER AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER SEASON ONE SPOILER AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER SEASON ONE SPOILER WOWEE THAT TITLE SURE IS LONG AND MAKES SPOILER TAGS PRETTY EASY.
I just watched “The Deserter”. Aang knows some waterbending, but they’re still on their way to the Northern Water Tribe. Zuko rescued him from Admiral Zhao and got shot, and when he recovered Aang asked him if he could be friends, but Zuko ran away. I have every single Zuko feel, I swear to God. They met up with a deserter from the Fire Nation who taught Aang some fire bending. (I think if I were a bender, I’d probably be a fire bender. It fits and I don’t know why.)
Also there was a spectacular lady named June with a whip and a cool animal who I can’t decide if I want to be or want to marry. Yeah.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in March 26th, 2012 @ 16:11Are you unsure if you want to marry or be the cool animal? Or June?
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in March 23rd, 2012 @ 20:18You’ve got to finish in time for Legend of Korra!
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FantasyFan?!?!
in March 23rd, 2012 @ 02:05Sort of related to the Avatar thing. So apparently the first episode of Legend of Korra was leaked and I don’t know if I want to watch it now or wait because without more episodes coming the tension will be awful but legality and and the likelihood of spoilers if I wait and this is just too much. Still. :))))))))
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Cat's Eye
in March 23rd, 2012 @ 18:45There’s a legal version somewhere on the Korra website, I believe. Nickelodeon released the first two early legally on the Internet because they figured it was better than people watching the leaked versions.
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Randomosity101
in March 26th, 2012 @ 14:46Yep. I’ve seen them myself. I won’t spoil them, but they seem really good.
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Ambystoma Maculatum and Joolb (~)_+)
in March 26th, 2012 @ 14:16The first Doctor Who Series 7 trailer is out!
Suddenly autumn doesn’t seem quite as far off.
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Agent Lightning
in March 26th, 2012 @ 15:52I am using this trailer as an incentive to finish my homework. So far, it’s proved super effective. AUGH I WANT TO SEE THE TRAILER
EIGHT ALGEBRA PROBLEMS! GO!
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FantasyFan?!?!
in March 26th, 2012 @ 16:10Thank you for telling me this. *watches it*
DO I NEED TO PUT SPOILER TAGS FOR A TRAILER OMG IT WAS AWESOME
I can’t wait. Well, I mean that I can, but I will be anticipating this greatly. Anachronistic wild west! Snowy landscapes! Ancient Egyptian…whatever it was!
Entertainment-wise, I am in a very good place right now. Korra, this, Hunger Games, the Hobbit, even the episodes of Supernatural I’m finishing up. I’ve got so much to look forward to.
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Cerulean Pyros
in April 2nd, 2012 @ 08:49Yes; I am so excited!
I’ve been gleefully dissecting the trailer for the sake of making predictions.
I identified the same three separate stories that FantasyFan?!?! did. The Wild West one was certainly the clearest in premise! The snow one gave no information whatsoever, except for the Dalek eye. I really can’t tell what’s going on in the story with the ancient Egyptian-clothed woman. They don’t seem to be in ancient Egypt, so I suppose she’s time-traveled with someone–not necessarily the TARDIS crew. Or perhaps she is from a time and place that wears Egyptian revival? {Ponders aimlessly.}
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FantasyFan?!?!
in April 2nd, 2012 @ 12:17Yeah, I had a lot of thoughts about the ancient Egypt thing too. Things like, “Wasn’t there a Classic Who storyline about Sutekh and ancient Egyptian things?” And, “Maybe it’s some kind of resurrected mummy thing, or something along the lines of “The Girl in the Fireplace”, which was also by Moffat.”
And then I went back and started thinking about how River impersonated Cleopatra, but I don’t think that is Cleopatra. She actually looked sort of like the bust of Nefertiti, IMO.
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Cerulean Pyros
in April 9th, 2012 @ 14:33She’s certainly wearing the classic Nefertiti hat!
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in April 2nd, 2012 @ 01:20Well, after two months or so I finally finished “The Web Planet.” It was easily the most boring serial I’ve watched so far. It’s so hard to get into the whole bug thing.
So yeah! Hopefully this next serial will lift me out of not wanting to watch any more Classic Who. It might help that two of the episodes are missing, meaning that I’ll be reading the scripts instead of having to watch something (I have a no-reconstruction policy).
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in April 7th, 2012 @ 01:21I admit it–Buffy has grown on me. I didn’t like the first season much, but I’m halfway through the second and it’s pretty good.
So nineties though.
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in April 9th, 2012 @ 12:25This is my brain on Geeky TV Shows:
It’s two in the morning, and I’m trying to get to sleep, but instead I’m staring at the ceiling thinking about how weird Benedict Cumberbatch looks. I’d just seen the first Sherlock episode earlier. So I’m lying there, looking at the ceiling, thinking that he looks like a cold fish. I’m serious. It probably has something to do with how light he is, how even his lips have no color, and how pale and staring his eyes. Somewhere my brain found a reference for cold fish.
Which made me think about how the first time I saw David Tennant, and how him playing the Doctor reminded me of a pigeon, hopping around. And the ninth Doctor reminded me of a crow. The eleventh Doctor took me a while to figure out, but I’ve got it now. He’s a wood duck. And I got stuck thinking about Doctor-birds because the TARDIS reminded me of an especially annoying bird call.
Which made me remember that there are birds in the wild that can mimic human-made sounds almost perfectly. I now have a new life goal: get one of these birds, and teach it to make the TARDIS sound.
All this while I was trying to get to sleep. And my thoughts kept on going after that, I just don’t want to write it all down. Also, I now have to figure out how to carry out my new life goal.
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ZNZ
in April 9th, 2012 @ 18:07Having abandoned all pretence of chronological order, this weekend I’ve been watching series 5/31 (which has been, thus far, fantastic). I just finished watching The Pandorica Opens. My reaction may be summed up as follows.
what in the actual cake. did i just watch. you guys i don’t understand what is this it broke my brain help.
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Cerulean Pyros
in April 10th, 2012 @ 13:58What part(s) broke your brain? Have you watched the second part (“The Big Bang”) also?
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Agent Lightning
in April 14th, 2012 @ 12:37Ah, yes. Moffat. You have to watch his episodes a few times to get the gist of them.
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Enceladus
in April 14th, 2012 @ 14:52Really? I almost always understand them on my first viewing.
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Agent Lightning
in April 14th, 2012 @ 15:24It might be because I knit while I watch TV, so if I drop a stitch (which is often) I have to direct my attention to the knitting for a minute. When I look up, it feels like I’ve missed half the plot.
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Mikazuki
in April 14th, 2012 @ 18:12I have to watch them a couple times, too. Might just be me, though.
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Pseudonym
in April 14th, 2012 @ 18:22There are several Moffat episodes I still don’t understand.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in April 10th, 2012 @ 09:10New addiction: The Big Bang Theory. Sheldon is just a riot.
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Rainbow*Storm
in April 10th, 2012 @ 10:39“I am polymerized tree sap and you are an inorganic adhesive. Any verbal projectile you launch in my direction rebounds off me and returns on its original trajectory.”
“What kind of world do we live in, where one man would steal another man’s battle ostrich?”
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Maths Lover ♥
in April 11th, 2012 @ 01:43I finally had the time, computer, and inclination to watch Serenity last night. I… liked it. It was too dark for my taste, but the ending was great. There was added sadness because now I’ve seen all of Firefly.
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Rainbow*Storm
in April 12th, 2012 @ 22:27I thought it was a good way to end the series. Although I do wish my favorite character had gotten a happier ending.
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Maths Lover ♥
in April 13th, 2012 @ 02:49Yes, if I hadn’t managed to spoil certain events for myself beforehand I’d probably have been shocked.
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muselover
in April 12th, 2012 @ 22:03Well, Freaks and Geeks is now the first show where I have watched two discs (a third of the series run) in a single sitting. It may be the single most accurate portrayal of high school in fiction.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in April 13th, 2012 @ 04:51Certainly the only one I’ve seen in which the characters look like real kids instead of models.
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muselover
in April 13th, 2012 @ 18:54Especially since most of them were real kids. That’s the remarkable thing; they act realistically because that’s exactly the sort of thing they’re going through in real life.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in April 13th, 2012 @ 18:58It often takes more skill to play a part that’s close to who you are.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in April 13th, 2012 @ 20:07I thought it was a great series, but I have wondered how well it would hold up in the era of cellphones and the Internet. The fundamental things apply, I suppose.
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muselover
in April 13th, 2012 @ 20:33Indeed. I found that I identified more with it than any modern teen comedy I’ve seen.
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KaiYves
in April 13th, 2012 @ 08:38I spent an hour watching Horrible Histories videos last night. It doesn’t get much better than humorous, historically accurate, catchy, music videos.
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Rainbow*Storm
in April 14th, 2012 @ 23:42SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SEASON 6 SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SEASON 6 SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SEASON 6 SPOILER SPOILER
I’ve decided season 5 is my favorite season, but Ten is my favorite Doctor, with Eleven close behind. My favorite companion is … Rory, actually. Amy got less awesome in season 6, but Rory was always sweet, loyal, and the most normal of Team TARDIS. Even being killed and turned into a plastic Roman didn’t stop him from protecting Amy. For two thousand years. Also, he put Hitler in a cupboard. That is all. Favorite episode is still Blink.
About the upcoming season … Please please don’t be Rory who dies. But I don’t want it to be Amy either … I’m hoping for less River Song since I really don’t like her, but as she’s now married to the Doctor that doesn’t seem likely.
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Maths Lover ♥
in April 21st, 2012 @ 01:51Avatar: Legend of Korra. Who’s been watching it? I really like the opening sequence…
Since it’s school holidays, I have stuff to do, and I want to procrastinate, I’ve been watching Big Bang Theory again. These posts made me curious about Freaks and Geeks so I’ve seen a few episodes of that too. I’ve even managed to find Glee episodes I want to watch on the site I found for Freaks and Geeks. No more paying for them after clicking on a dozen links that don’t work.
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shadowfire
in April 21st, 2012 @ 11:47I am really loving Legend of Korra so far. The characters are wonderful and funny, I love how they’ve modernized the world without forcing it, everything is really pretty, and I am a total sucker for worldbuilding so that was definitely a draw.
My only problem with it is a very personal one, and it’s that all of the characters I grew to love are either dead or no longer relevant to the plot.
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Generic Evil Villain
in April 25th, 2012 @ 03:08I don’t actually object to their putting in Katara, but it was so weird seeing her as the wise old master type.
Now I’ve watched the three episodes and I’m still a fan of the show.
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oxlin
in April 29th, 2012 @ 21:12Meee! Korra’s great! Though Korra herself can be somewhat full of herself.
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in April 21st, 2012 @ 18:30SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER CANTERLOT WEDDING SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER CANTERLOT WEDDING SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER CANTERLOT WEDDING SPOILER SPOILER
So awesome~ /)^-^(\ Didn’t care much for the sappy wedding thing, but an actual Villain Song and the battle with the changelings? Epic. The real Cadence is a boss. But the best part of the episode was all the Call Backs to previous episodes: Luna, Fancy Pants, Doctor Whooves (running from a monster, no less), the blue Wonderbolt, DJ PON-3, and Derpy herself, in her famous derp-eyed background pose. <3
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Armada
in April 22nd, 2012 @ 14:19Oooookay, I think I may have convinced myself to start watching Sherlock. I’ve been seeing it all over the internet, and eventually I just kind of gave in.
Should I ask for people’s opinions on whether or not this is a good decision, or would that be a really bad idea?
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in April 22nd, 2012 @ 15:09Of course it’s a good idea! I think season/series 1 is better than 2, though.
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Tesseract
in April 22nd, 2012 @ 16:28It is a wonderful decision and you will not regret it. (Also, I love series 2!)
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Cerulean Pyros
in April 25th, 2012 @ 09:38I think you will enjoy it!
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agrrrfishi
in April 25th, 2012 @ 23:18It’s been exactly 100 days since Reichenbach.
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Armada
in April 27th, 2012 @ 15:49*this*
…And we have quite a few more to go before Series 3. I swear, if the world ends this December, not getting a post-Reichenbach episode is one of the things I will be angriest about.
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Tesseract
in April 27th, 2012 @ 16:02It’s been 100+ days and I still have all of the feelings.
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Armada
in April 27th, 2012 @ 16:57I’ve been doing pretty much nothing in my spare time for the past few days but watch the last fifteen minutes of that episode over and over? I don’t think the feelings are going away anytime soon.
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KaiYves
in April 27th, 2012 @ 19:54Don’t worry, it won’t, and I say this as both an archeology major and an amateur astronomer.
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Agent Lightning
in April 29th, 2012 @ 08:15I was rewatching A Good Man Goes To War last night, and the little montage at the beginning made me realize how good the Eleventh Doctor was for Amy’s plotline, and how he is sort of like an imaginary friend, that they could not have possibly chosen a better Doctor for Amy. He was just so perfect as an “imaginary friend”. Also, the relationship between the Doctor and Amy is like that of grandfather to granddaughter. I… I really like that.
#random_musings
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Randomosity101
in April 29th, 2012 @ 13:02So, I want to watch the Old Who. But the sites I watch Doctor Who on either only show the New Who, or are the “crossing the whoniverse” site, on which the first several episodes from the Old Who have been exterminated. Am I allowed to ask for recommendations as to what site to watch the Old Who on?
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in April 30th, 2012 @ 01:07Searching the titles of each individual episode on *insert favorite search engine here* worked for me. Like “Doctor Who An Unearthly Child,” but without quotes.
A lot of the results ended up coming from a video sharing website (which is not the famous video sharing website) that, while sometimes having ads, does not have pop-ups and is very reliable.
Have I been vague enough?
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Randomosity101 (On a school computer.)
in April 30th, 2012 @ 09:08Thank you!
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Randomosity101
in April 30th, 2012 @ 19:18SFTDP. Just out of curiosity, is that particular site named after an animal?
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in April 30th, 2012 @ 20:12Not that I’m aware of, but if you’ve found something that works, go with it!
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Randomosity101
in May 1st, 2012 @ 16:47I was just wondering, because there is a site that is that shows up often in lists for the New Who. I thought it might have Old Who as well, but as yet I’ve never looked up episodes on the site itself, so I don’t know.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in May 1st, 2012 @ 18:37The one I’ve found is not a strictly Who site; it’s like the famous video-sharing site but with not as much copyright enforcement. I’ve found every episode of Sherlock on there as well, but more mainstream American television shows are a no-go.
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Tesseract
in April 29th, 2012 @ 22:02I’ve officially started watching Avatar!
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Maths Lover ♥
in April 30th, 2012 @ 03:43Yay Tess! Join us…
In other news, I really like that video streaming website I found recently. Free TV shows as usual!
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muselover
in April 30th, 2012 @ 14:55CAKE YEAH
THE STOLEN EARTH
SO MUCH WIN
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in May 1st, 2012 @ 17:57This is sort of a double post, even though my last post was a nested comment, so I’m sorry. When I started watching the Old Who, I academically knew that it’s, well, old. But I was actually surprised upon experiencing it even so. I’m also inversely surprised that the theme song hasn’t changed much at all in that time. But I guess that’s just in comparison to more mainstream shows, some of which have a completely different theme song with each season.
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Agent Lightning
in May 1st, 2012 @ 18:25We get new Doctors. We should at least be able to keep the same theme song. Also, I felt the same way upon first watching Classic Who.
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Randomosity101
in May 1st, 2012 @ 19:37Oh, surprised isn’t a bad thing. It was a pleasant surprise. I like the theme song.
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Randomosity101
in May 3rd, 2012 @ 18:08SFTDP. One of the things that is different about the theme song, though, I find quite interesting. It seems that the beat that I consider to be “The Drums” was originally incorporated into the theme song. Of course, that was long before it was “The Drums”, but still.
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Agent Lightning
in May 3rd, 2012 @ 19:39I’ve heard “The Drums” in several compositions, including pieces I’ve played for school band/honors bands. (We played a song with that drumbeat at All-County and there was an oddly shaped crack in my mouthpiece… incidentally, guess which Chameleon Circuit song I’m listening to?) I always get the urge to tap on something. I do like the theme song, though. It’s nice.
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Mikazuki
in May 4th, 2012 @ 15:43So I may have (indirectly) caused six or seven or eight people to start watching Doctor Who. World domination…is inevitable.
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Rainbow*Storm
in May 5th, 2012 @ 10:56So I got one of my friends to watch the first episode of Firefly, but she thought it was confusing and boring. Oh well.
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muselover
in May 5th, 2012 @ 12:02SHERLOCK SERIES 2 TONIGHT ON PBS
Since I don’t have a TV at home, I bought the season pass off of iTunes. LET THE WATCHING COMMENCE.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in May 5th, 2012 @ 14:11After an episode is broadcast, it should be viewable on PBS online for a limited time. At least that’s what’s been done in the past. I believe the broadcast is actually Sunday night, isn’t it?
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muselover
in May 5th, 2012 @ 14:27MUSELOVER THOUGHT TODAY WAS SUNDAY
And I know they do that, but I still wanted to buy the season either way.
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Randomosity101
in May 5th, 2012 @ 19:50Watching Black-and-White Who all evening, and then suddenly watching an episode of the Tenth Doctor. I think my eyeballs just exploded.
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Koppar
in May 6th, 2012 @ 21:45YAY AMERICAN BROADCAST OF SHERLOCK
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in May 6th, 2012 @ 21:48Hello, Koppar! It’s always good to see you here.
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muselover
in May 7th, 2012 @ 21:06A SCANDAL IN BELGRAVIA IN GLOOOORIOUS HD
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Rosebud2
in May 8th, 2012 @ 10:31Okay, I have made up my mind. I’m going to start watching Sherlock.
GO GO GO
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Cerulean Pyros
in May 8th, 2012 @ 20:03Have fun!
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Mikazuki
in May 9th, 2012 @ 19:29I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS DECISION!
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Choklit Orange
in May 9th, 2012 @ 17:51WILSON
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(I don’t know if House counts as a geeky TV show but oh my god cliffhangers do not let this happen no)
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muselover
in May 9th, 2012 @ 18:33WILSON!
WILSOOOOOOON!
WILSON I’M SORRY…
I’M SORRY…
*has never watches House but couldn’t resist*
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Rainbow*Storm
in May 9th, 2012 @ 21:03Sorry, stupid question: what is this “Wilson, I’m sorry” thing from? I’ve heard multiple people quoting it in unrelated circumstances.
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KaiYves
in May 9th, 2012 @ 21:22[Retroactive Cast Away spoiler warning added by GAPA – Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler, Cast Away Spoiler]
The movie Cast Away. The protagonist is a castaway stranded on a desert island (no duh) who keeps himself sane by talking to a volleyball he calls “Wilson”. (After the company name written on the side.)
While trying to escape the island on a raft he built, Wilson gets washed away and he freaks out, as it’s been the only thing he’s talked to for years.
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muselover
in May 9th, 2012 @ 22:04KAI YOU RUINED IT FOR HER
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KaiYves
in May 10th, 2012 @ 08:40I’m sorry, I didn’t see any way to explain the reference without spoiling the story. I should have had a warning.
I feel stupid now.
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muselover
in May 10th, 2012 @ 13:14NO STUPID-FEELING ALLOWED
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Rainbow*Storm
in May 9th, 2012 @ 23:21Aw, that actually sounds kind of sad. Like a cross between the Companion Cube and Robot Rory from “The Girl Who Waited”.
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muselover
in May 9th, 2012 @ 21:35Cast Away, one of my favorite movies. There’s a volleyball named Wilson in it, and…yeah. Watch the movie, it’s great, and I don’t want to detract from it by telling you any more.
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Castle
in May 10th, 2012 @ 11:41WIIIIILSOOOOOOOON
It’s an awesome movie.
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shadowfire
in May 19th, 2012 @ 11:33Having just read “A Scandal in Bohemia” and rewatched the episode of Sherlock on which it is based, I have written a rather lengthy rant about it. Thought I might post it here in case anyone wants to read it.
(As a warning to anyone who hasn’t seen this episode, this rant will contain MAJOR SPOILERS)
I have seen a lot of people be bothered by the way Irene Adler was treated in the episode. Aspects of that bothered me too, but not having read the original I was never able to really articulate why. Now, I can.Before I go any further, I would like to mention that I love the way Irene’s character and background were modernized. The characterization of her as a dominatrix was amusing, and made it easier to set up the scandal around which the story revolves. I do not mind that part in the slightest.
What does bother me is what happened to Irene in the episode itself. The plot of the episode up to the point of Sherlock finding Irene’s photograph was fairly close to the plot of the original story. From that point onward it begins to diverge in a way that was very upsetting. In “A Scandal in Bohemiaâ€, after Sherlock finds the compromising photograph, he returns to Baker Street and informs the King of Bohemia that Irene is now married and therefore unlikely to reveal the photograph to anyone, because she would not want her husband to see it. Upon returning to her home, he discovers that she and her husband have left the country entirely, taking the photo with her and leaving a note to Sherlock where it had been hidden. It details the fact that she had no intention of revealing the picture to anyone, unless it was necessary as self-defense. She explains that she loves her husband dearly and no longer thinks anything of the King. With that in mind, she has disappeared out of his life forever, taking any potential scandal with her.
Meanwhile, in Sherlock, her story ends very differently. Irene is caught before leaving the country, and her developing feelings for Sherlock end up betraying her. She was unable to resist making a pun on his name in her cameraphone password (I AM SHERLOCKED), and with that Holmes is able to trap her. By taking her phone he takes her security, and she soon ends up about to be beheaded by a gang of (frankly equally unpleasant to see) men in the Middle East.
By making these changes, the writers of Sherlock made several glaring and painful errors. The short story ends with Irene outsmarting Sherlock, and therefore gaining his respect above any other woman, and perhaps any other human being. In the episode, Irene’s love for Sherlock allow him to outsmart her. She is permanently disgraced, begging for his and Mycroft’s protection, and needs him to save her.
Yes, “A Scandal in Bohemia†ends with Irene being married. That is completely irrelevant. Why? Because she chose to marry, and did so out of love. She had full choice in the matter, and was intelligent and resourceful every step of the way. Says Watson in the story’s conclusion:
“He used to make merry over the cleverness of women, but I have not heard him do it of late. And whenever he speaks of Irene Adler, or refers to her photograph, it is always under the honourable title of the Woman.â€
So what I’d like to ask team Mofftiss is, how can a story written in 1891 treat women with more respect than a TV episode written in 2012?
Please let me know.
I’m all ears.
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Cerulean Pyros
in May 24th, 2012 @ 17:20Spoilers for BBC Sherlock “A Scandal in Belgravia”. Spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers.
I have messy feelings about that episode. I wrote about one issue in post 3.1.1. I stand by the point I made then: I don’t think Irene Adler came out an all-around loser in the conflicts of the story; I think she was fighting more with Mycroft than with Sherlock; I think she was fighting over more than the camera-phone.
That said, I do agree with you that Doyle’s Adler was presented with more dignity than Moffat’s. When I re-watched the episode, I was greatly irritated by Adler’s statement about Moriarty: That she didn’t know what to do with the photographs until he advised her. That placed way too much genius on Moriarty, and not enough on the should-have-been-sufficiently-intelligent Adler. I share your disappointment in her pleading reaction to the loss of the Camera-phone Battle. I also agree with your note (and side note) about the Middle Eastern terrorists.
I am also bothered by something you did not mention. I have deep-running feelings about nomenclature, and how what one person calls another reveals much about their relationship. So, I notice that Bohemia-Holmes gives Bohemia-Adler the title of “the Woman.” This indicates that he, on his own, thought enough of her to regard her as such. However, Belgravia-Adler came into the story with that nickname as a professional handle. Belgravia-Holmes simply adopted the title for his own purposes. Not knowing who dubbed Belgravia-Adler “the Woman” waters down the significance of Holmes’ use of the nickname/title.
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Randomosity101
in June 6th, 2012 @ 18:57Wow. I can’t believe I posted about Torchwood on the Random Thread and almost immediately have to ask a question about it here. *annoyance* OK, the site I was using to watch Torchwood stopped playing “Greeks Bearing Gifts” in the middle of the episode, and now every time I try to watch it from that site it says it can’t find the video. I tried google searches, but I couldn’t seem to find anything that let me watch it. Does anyone know a specific site or specific search keywords that could work?
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ZNZ
in June 6th, 2012 @ 20:58Try “Doctor Who media” – that’s what I’ve been using for New Who, and I believe it has Torchwood.
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Randomosity101
in June 7th, 2012 @ 09:30It looks like it does, but strangely enough the videos aren’t showing up. Maybe it’s my computer. I’ll try looking with one of my brothers’ computers when I get the chance.
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Randomosity101
in June 7th, 2012 @ 12:52SFTDP. It turns out I don’t need to find another site. I was able to figure out how to get to it on the site I’ve been using to watch the Classic Who, which actually shows the caking videos. Thanks anyway ZNZ, and I’m sorry for asking what turned out to be a pointless question.
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Maths Lover ♥
in June 21st, 2012 @ 03:06That was an emotional Korra episode. Wow.
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Maths Lover ♥
in June 24th, 2012 @ 07:39*pokes sleepy thread*
My last post was about episode 10, by the way, then today the website I’m using to watch Korra had 11 and 12 up. SO MUCH FEELING.
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in June 24th, 2012 @ 09:01Oh yes. Lots of feeling. It was amazing, wasn’t it? Honestly, throughout episode 12, there were several instances where I was actually talking to the television because of the things that were happening.
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in June 24th, 2012 @ 09:55SHERLOCK!!!!!!
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in June 24th, 2012 @ 16:06SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER SPOILER
Was anyone… disappointed by the end of episode 12? I thought it would have been a lot better without the whole “Now I’m a fully realized Avatar so I love you!”
I would have liked it to have left with Korra not being able to bend. The other Avatars could have assured her that yes, she still is the Avatar, but she needs to go on some kind of spiritual journey to get the bending back.
I’m still hoping that she isn’t able to bend while not in the Avatar state.
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Maths Lover ♥
in June 24th, 2012 @ 19:06SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA.
It was a little deus ex machina. I guessed she’d be able to give others their bending back with her Avatar powers, but that and her being able to airbend and her now being able to communicate with the other Avatars was a bit too convenient.
But I just found it so awesome. The last battle! Beifong being awesome! The fact that there were (almost) permanent consequences! I didn’t find the Korra/Mako romance too bad. I’m glad Osami didn’t end up with a new guy like I thought might happen- at least that wasn’t neatly resolved. And at least she needed Mako there, and couldn’t defeat Amon singlehandedly.
It’s not often I have that strong a response to something, so that I was grinning enormously and gasping, and it felt painful coming back to reality (even though life is pretty good at the moment and all, and the Avatar verse would be too small for me).
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in June 24th, 2012 @ 20:02SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA.
I’m not too upset about it because it was only a twelve-episode series and it would’ve been hard to carry it on any other way. I didn’t love the Korra/Mako romance terribly much, but that’s partially because I feel like the time spent on the love square in the series could have been better spent on characterization. I don’t feel like I know the characters that well. I have a fondness for them and a sense that I could like them a lot, but that’s about it (in comparison for the undying adoration I have for Katara, Zuko, Aang, and the rest of the A:TLA crew). In the finale, I wish we’d seen more Iroh and more Bumi.
But the sequence of the last part of the finale was just amazing. I was watching it with Adam and we’d spent pretty much the entire series waiting for Korra to go into the avatar state, and pretty much the entire finale telling the TV so. And I started watching Korra the day after I finished Avatar (last week), so we spent the entire series missing Aang and co.
So when the airbender walked over to Korra and the shot panned up and it was Aang, we flipped. Paused the screen on the shot of all the previous avatars just to see their faces. And then Korra closed her eyes, and she opened them and they were glowing, and the two of us more or less went through the roof.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in June 25th, 2012 @ 23:53SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA
I will admit that I did not see the Amon-Tarlokk connection coming. I’d speculated previously that Amon was related to Yakone, and around episode 8 replaced that with the theory that Tarlokk was related to Yakone, but somehow I never ended up putting the two together. Also, I’m not sure how I feel about that revelation. My first thought upon watching it was, “Yet ANOTHER set of siblings with daddy issues?” I mean, obviously there are differences between Zuko-Azula-Ozai and even Ozai-Iroh-Azulon, namely the fact both siblings ended up evil on opposite sides of the spectrum, but it still felt a bit…rehashed. I would like villains without family issues, please.
Although I was all OMG when I saw how Tarlokk decided to finish it. Murder-suicide…how did the production team get away with showing this kind of thing?
REgarding the romance, it felt a little rushed, but I tend to be anti-romance anyways, and wasn’t really gunning for a particular pairing anyways, so it’s easy not to care. I was kind of hoping that non one would end up with anyone, actually. Why did there have to be a boyfriend? Although I do feel sorry for Asami. i kind of felt like she got the short end of the stick, from Mako as well as the fans.
In response to Cello-Playing Mathematician: I think that Korra regaining her bending would have made a great sequel hook. And now I kind of want to read fic about Korra being an Avatar that could only airbend, and being awesome at it after coming to terms with herself.
All in all, though, I’ve really enjoyed the ride. I don’t want ti to be over already. Regarding what Tesseract said about not liking the characters as much–well, we haven’t known them for as long, have we? Only about half of a normal season. Although I will admit that due to the length, pretty much every episode was a stunner, particularly the last 6. Also, my viewing experience was just different for LoK. I marathoned all of ATLA except for the third season, and then I only checked in periodically. “Oh, there’s another four episodes out? Well, I’ll watch them, and check back in a few months.” So I never waited on tenterhooks each week for the new episode. It’s a very intimate feeling. Also, it gives you more time to obsess over the characters and plot and everything.
Wow, I’ve written a small essay…I haven’t been able to talk about it with anyone yet, so all my pent-up feelings are coming out in this post.
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shadowfire
in July 1st, 2012 @ 11:16SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILER LEGEND OF KORRA
What scared me about the last scene with Korra on the cliff was that she really looked like she intended to commit suicide. She might even have thought it was the right thing to do; since she’d lost her connection to the other elements she could have been thinking that it was her duty to die so that a new Avatar would be born.
I still have no idea how they got away with either the murder-suicide or half of the last three episodes, really. Then again, they already managed a terrorist attack and something comparable to public executions, I shouldn’t be surprised.
Is anyone else having massive feelings about the Lieutenant? I’m just really impressed with what they did with two lines. You take a vaguely threatening but still somewhat comedic secondary character and suddenly give him tons of implied backstory, and he now has so much more character depth. (and I am in no way in the process of writing the longest piece of writing I have ever done including schoolwork about him, of course not)
Additionally, I cannot get over how annoyed I am at Mako and the way he’s treated Asami in the last few episodes. She’s handled the situation in an incredibly mature way: not involving Korra because she still likes and respects her, holding Mako responsible for his own actions, and at the end of the day still willing to be his friend when he needs it. I just have this massive amount of respect for Asami, and Mako is just acting like an entitled “I’m the male lead and I can do whatever I want with no consequences”.
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Maths Lover ♥
in June 27th, 2012 @ 06:45Also, I loved the soundtrack, and just found it on the wiki. *happiness* It gives me a feeling akin to “All the Strange Strange Creatures” or some of the Serenity music.
I wasn’t really shipping anyone, so while I hope Korra and Mako stay together I don’t see them having an epic romance just yet. Actually, I don’t really ship ATLA characters- Kataang, Maiko, and Sokka/Suki are good pairings and it’s probably more realistic that there be some romance for the main characters
I accidentally fanfic inspiration. That also barely involves shipping. (This is good, because I don’t have much romantic experience and so wouldn’t be writing anything I knew.)
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FantasyFan?!?!
in June 27th, 2012 @ 13:38Yeah I agree with what you said about shipping. I tend to go with whatever’s canon and don’t really care past that. And I am so glad that there is someone else who doesn’t care about that. Because some of my friends are impossible to watch it with, what with all the shipping comments and resultant character bashing.
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in June 27th, 2012 @ 16:58I don’t really ship anyone in Avatar or Korra either. That is, I mildly ship all the canon pairings: I have a great deal of appreciation for the strength of Aang and Katara’s relationship, I think Suki and Sokka are cute together and probably are good for each other, and feel that Mai and Zuko fit together well. I shy away from the shipping in ATLA though. I prefer to focus on how incredible the characters themselves are.
In Korra, maybe because the characters are older or because I’m not as attached to them, I don’t have the same knee-jerk negative reaction to shipping. I still don’t have any ships, though. Honestly, I’d rather there have been less romance in favor of more character development. I feel like I knew Katara better after three episodes than I know Mako after twelve.
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in June 27th, 2012 @ 17:08About the fanfic – it’s great that you’ve come up with a non-romantic one, but if you ever do want to write a shipping fanfic, don’t be discouraged by your lack of expertise. I once wrote a fanfic that was entirely shipping a cannon character with an original character, so…
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in June 25th, 2012 @ 20:59SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS SPOILER TORCHWOOD EXIT WOUNDS. MAJOR SPOILER.
Honestly, the ending on this one left me reeling a little. I mean, they couldn’t kill Owen a few episodes ago and now they’ve killed him and Toshiko in the same episode?!? RIGHT AFTER THEY GAVE THEIR BACKSTORIES IN THE PREVIOUS EPISODE?!? I keep thinking they’ll be brought back later.
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in June 26th, 2012 @ 09:29I’ve (finally) started watching Firefly!
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Rainbow*Storm
in June 26th, 2012 @ 14:28Shiny!
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Maths Lover ♥
in June 27th, 2012 @ 06:30Yayness!
Shiny is a better way of putting it, but why not create another post, because having new fans is good!
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in June 30th, 2012 @ 20:49I find Miracle Day sadly subpar compared to the previous Torchwood series(es).
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Luna the Lovely
in July 1st, 2012 @ 03:22I like to pretend Miracle Day never happened. Especially the last few of it, but really the whole thing in general. Take the show back to wales, revive Ianto (it’s scifi, it can be done), and write miracle day off as some weird trip jack had while hopped up on some bad alien drugs. Or just ignore t. Or something. I think it was kinda worse than no more torchwood
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in July 1st, 2012 @ 08:48I definitely understand that. I’m not entirely sure whether I think it was worse than no more Torchwood, but it’s certainly pushing it. Bringing back Ianto would be nice, but I really don’t think Torchwood is Torchwood without Owen and Toshiko. Especially Owen. Torchwood just doesn’t work without his cynical comments. I’d really rather think it was Gwen hallucinating than Jack on drugs, because Miracle Day Jack was so different from previous Jack and that’s what I was most disappointed with. If Jack was on drugs and saw himself like that, what would that say about him? Speaking of drugs, though, the only part of Miracle Day so far I’ve actually liked (I’m 3/4 through it) was the scene with the arsenic poisoning.
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in July 1st, 2012 @ 10:42Gwen on drugs works for me.
and by “last few” I meant “last few minutes”. You’ll know what I’m referring to when you get there. Just thought I’d clarify since I realized I left out a word
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in July 1st, 2012 @ 14:05OK. Thanks for the clarification.
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Armada
in July 1st, 2012 @ 13:30Oo, okay, so I have a question.
Are there any Merlin fans on here? If so, could you please inform me whether the show gets better after the first episode? I mean, I went to go check it out because, from the impression Tumblr was giving me, it seemed sorta equivalent to Sherlock popularity-wise. And… okay, um, wow, superbad script, superbad CG, okay actors but nothing special that I could see. I don’t understand why everyone likes it so much, unless it does get drastically better after the first episode or few. Which I’m willing to accept, if so.
So… does it?
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Jadestone
in July 1st, 2012 @ 14:30I watched the whole thing recently because that’s what I do with tv shows… it was all right. It got better after the first episode but not drastically. Probably only because you get more attached to the characters. It’s not a show I’m going to keep up with, I’ll probably watch the next season in a day or two after it’s all aired.
I think it’s on tumblr a lot because the actors themselves are all pretty funny people. The lady who plays Morgana is super geeky and pretty cool.
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Luna the Lovely
in July 1st, 2012 @ 14:57I love Merlin. It starts to get darker and deeper as the season’s progress, but I don’t know that it ever has a stellar script or anything. But I really enjoy it, Anthony Head’s a fantastic Uther (albeit a complete jerk), and I love Bradley James and Colin Morgan (Arthur and Merlin).
It has a lot of silly episodes, but at least in the last season (4, I think?) the more serious ones kind of outweigh the silly ones. But personally, I like the first season enough when it aired on NBC, that I tracked down the later seasons on the internet (b/c NBC didn’t pick it up again, probably b/c it didn’t have enough popularity to do so).
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in July 2nd, 2012 @ 03:11I sort of started in the middle of the first season and I can’t really remember the pilot. But the first season was pretty good, then the show jumped the shark sometime at the end of the second/beginning of the third season.
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in July 2nd, 2012 @ 03:14I just watched the first 1 1/2 episodes of Sherlock, and um, I don’t get it. I mean, it’s pretty okay, but I don’t understand why people think it’s so wonderful. It has a few funny scenes, but that’s something like 2 minutes out of 60.
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Armada
in July 2nd, 2012 @ 08:36Hmm. Well, for me, the filmography alone grabbed me in something like the first two minutes. But if I had to explain exactly why so many people love it so much… hmm.
I’d have to say something like a mix of the acting (so. much. wonderful. characterization.), the filmography (YMMV on that one, but it’s a big one for me because it just makes the show so much prettier than the average TV show), the way the writers adapted the original stories to a modern setting (it probably helps a lot while watching it if you have a working knowledge of the original stories), and the writing itself — somehow these caking writers manage to get you more emotionally invested in the characters by the end of the first episode than I’ve been in the characters of most other TV shows by the end of their first season. (Thooooough it sounds like maybe that didn’t work quite so well for you?)
Oh, and, er, the bromance. Lots and lots of that.So yeah. If you’ve watched an episode and a half and haven’t been pulled in yet, it’s possible that it might just not be your thing. *shrug*
*squints at numbers above* Um, you are watching BBC Sherlock, right? ‘Cause if so, the first 1½ episodes is more like 135 minutes. If you’re not watching BBC Sherlock, that… might explain a lot.
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in July 9th, 2012 @ 22:43Finalized crew of the good ship Harmony:
Applejack = Captain Mal
Twilight = Zoe
Rainbow Dash = Jayne
Spike = Wash
Apple Bloom = Kaylee
Fluttershy = Simon
Pinkamena = River (Not normal Pinkie, but her whimsical-in-the-brainpan Party of One self.)
Rarity = Inara
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shadowfire
in July 14th, 2012 @ 14:24My need to draw this is tremendous.
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Rainbow*Storm
in July 14th, 2012 @ 16:02Jaynebow Dash in a knitted orange hat. DO IT.
There’s no hate, I can see, since I found Harmony …
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ZNZ
in July 14th, 2012 @ 16:02Please do! And send it in!
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FantasyFan?!?!
in July 13th, 2012 @ 15:48I finally got around to watching Dr Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog. And I loved it. Rewatched this afternoon, and I’m listening to the playlist right now.
[DR. HORRIBLE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS]
I was slightly surprised when Penny died, but immediately thought that I should have expected it with Joss’s reputation. I wasn’t that surprised at BAd Horse’s reveal. I think I actually had him being a horse as a crack idea before that, and was just surprised that I was right.
Anyhow, it was really funny. And I was giggling all the way to the end. I think I like start of darkness stories.
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Pseudonym
in July 13th, 2012 @ 21:28Julian and I break out into songs from Dr. Horrible all the time in band. He’s usually Captain Hammer, and I’m usually Dr. Horrible, and Jenni finally watched it so now she can sing Penny’s parts. I think our most successful performance was “A Man’s Gotta Sneeze”.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in July 13th, 2012 @ 23:02Ah, I thank the GAPAs for the spoiler tag. Sorry, wasn’t thinking.
And Pseudonym, that sounds like a hilarious parody. Mind you, everything Nathan Fillion does in the show is so over the top and hilarious anyways, it’d be very easy to parody.
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in July 17th, 2012 @ 17:15So I was looking at some of the comiccon stuff for Legend of Korra, and it looks like the new series will focus more on spirits and the spirit world, which is nice because it was one of the things that I wanted to see in Book 1. I liked the politics of nonbender vs bender, but I also wanted to see technology vs spirituality, more. And now that Korra’s past her spiritual deadblock we can see that. Also it looks like Korra won’t just be in republic city. I wanna see how the rest of the Avatarverse aged.
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Maths Lover ♥
in August 4th, 2012 @ 05:10Yay, spirit world! Magitek! Well, both of those could be bad, but hoepfully not.
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in July 22nd, 2012 @ 22:28I just finished “The Girl in the Fireplace.” While I was pleased by some things (he’s still a francophile! and the clockwork-bots were very pretty) as a whole it was majorly underwhelming.
I also saw “Silence in the Library”/”Forest of the Dead” earlier, which was sdfkl’ wonderful and twisty and brilliantly written and now on my list of favourite episodes and also it was terrifying (I’m now frightened of, literally, my own shadow.) and cracked my heart into a million pieces and then awkwardly and splendidly mended it.
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Agent Lightning
in July 23rd, 2012 @ 21:17The Girl in the Fireplace is my favorite episode of all time
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ZNZ
in July 23rd, 2012 @ 22:40Oh dear. I hope I haven’t caused offense?
I must ask, though – why do you like it so much?
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in August 1st, 2012 @ 13:24That episode is brilliant! With the clocks, and the mystery of the ship, and the creepiness of the clockwork monsters, and then the humor, and then the ending–gah. So good. The general atmosphere was what did it for me–creepiness, the 17th century, and clocks, as well as a 50th century spaceship. It scared me. In a good way. And it was sad. In a good way.
{I am answering your question a week late and even though you directed it to AL. Sorry. This is obviously because AL and I share the SAME BRAIN and not because I’m overprotective of…an episode. Ahem. Anyway.}
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in July 31st, 2012 @ 23:24New TV-related obsession: the BBC series Sherlock. So bloody amazing I can’t even begin to describe it. I watched two episodes on the plane and had to watch the rest as soon as I got home. Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss (whose Mycroft is wonderful) are both brilliant.
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in August 1st, 2012 @ 13:19Sherlockians will soon TAKE OVER THE WORLD
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Cerulean Pyros
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 09:56{Whistles innocently.} Sooo…. Anyone else seen the new Doctor Who season seven trailer? Hmm?
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Rainbow*Storm
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 16:15I think if Amy were really going to die, they’d want to make it a huge shocking twist and not hint at it in the trailer. Moffat is probably just trolling us.
Also, dinosaurs. This should be interesting.
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Jadestone
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 18:06This is her last season, in any case. We know that she’s leaving partway through, in some “heartbreaking” way. That HAS been said by Moffat.
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in August 2nd, 2012 @ 18:21THAT’S WHAT MOFFAT WANTS US TO THINK! *paranoid twitch*
The seven-year-old dinosaur freak in me is squealing almost as loudly as the Doctor did at the idea of dinosaurs… IN SPACE!
Should be fun.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 20:24Well I’m assuming the “Amy dying” scene is from the Dalek episode (“Who killed all the Daleks?” “Guess.”), and we know that Amy and Rory leave in the Weeping Angels episode. So Amy for sure doesn’t die in the Dalek episode.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 20:24STFP: Oops, read ZNZ’s post: “Who killed all the Daleks?” “Who do you think?”
There we go.
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Cat's Eye
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 20:56I dunno, Moffat does kind of have an affection for making a big deal out of things beforehand. (Like Season 6. Who’s River Song? Who is she? What does she have to do with anything? Look an eyepatch lady DON’T YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT RIVER SONG OH MY GOD PREGNANCY WHATTAWHAT LOOK AT EVERYTHING LOOK LOOK DRAMA)
I’m a little afraid of a Season 2-esque ending. That’s a lie, what I’m most afraid of is that baby Weeping Angel. It’s like taking two of the most terrifying things and putting them together.
Yeah, this trailer has rendered me fairly incoherent.
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ZNZ
in August 2nd, 2012 @ 19:49I love his sheer unbridled joy over the dinosaurs. He’s so great when he’s acting as if he’s about seven.
Also, if Amy dies I’m setting everything on fire.
Also also, when I first saw the trailer I thought that his look when he said “Who do you think?” meant that Amy did it. I kind of still hope that’s it. Thoughts?
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Cerulean Pyros
in August 3rd, 2012 @ 10:50Rainbow*Storm; TNO; ZNZ: YUSS! Dinosaurs on a spaceship!
Cat’s Eye: That cherub scares me, too. And…it…it isn’t weeping. It doesn’t have its eyes covered. I think it probably is a Weeping Angel, or variant thereof…but why is it not afraid of catching another of its kind in its gaze? Are there no others near it? No others known to it? Is it unafraid, because it is only a baby?
ZNZ: “Amy did it” was–is–my impression, too.
Everyone: I think Amy will not die, because they’re trying to make us certain that she will. I think Rory will not die, because…er, well, just in case:
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FOR ARTHUR DARVILL’S TENURE AS RORY WILLIAMS ON DOCTOR WHO AS OF 8/3/2012 SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
…yes, I don’t think Rory will be written out by death, because he’s already died too many times. Instead of: “RORY! Noooo! My heart! It breaks! SOB!” The audience would simply say: “Rory! Ouch! Well, that was even sadder than the time in ‘Amy’s Choice,’ but not level with ‘The Big Bang.’ So, when are they bringing him back?”
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Reasons.
in August 4th, 2012 @ 00:33Has anyone here watched Twin Peaks? Because it’s caking amazing. It’s just so weird and wonderful and unapologetically different. You all should totaly watch it.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in August 28th, 2012 @ 12:24Anyone excited for Doctor Who series 7?
I’ve been watching the “Pond Life” mini-episodes–I have to say, I didn’t think they would be this “mini.” Only a minute each? What? Surprisingly, it’s enough to tide me over.
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in August 31st, 2012 @ 20:35Oh god, Pond Life. I made the huge mistake of watching all of those just now, and….well, if you’ve seen the last one, you’ll know what I mean. I think I’ve killed my potential productivity for the evening, because my brain is in shock….
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in September 1st, 2012 @ 11:16Yes. I just thought it was cute and fun, and then yesterday’s happened. What!? Rory!? Help!
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Luna the Lovely
in September 1st, 2012 @ 14:09Exactly. I was just all, hey these are cute and hilarious “Ood? on the loo? *laughter*”. And then all OMG, Moffat what the bloody cake, don’t you even dare you evil psychopath. Or some equally incoherent something.
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in September 2nd, 2012 @ 07:51MOFFAT
MOFFAT YOU EVIL HORRIBLE PERSON
AHHHHH I HATE YOU
why do you have to do this
why do you hate me so much
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in September 1st, 2012 @ 15:32ADVENTURE TIME!!!!
*crickets*
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Rainbow*Storm
in September 1st, 2012 @ 17:57… Come on, grab your friends, we’ll go to very distant lands.
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in September 1st, 2012 @ 19:17Jake the Dog and Finn the Human
The fun will never end
It’s ADVENTURE TIME!Yesssssss fellow watcher. Did you know “It Came From the Nightosphere” was nominated for an Emmy?
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Agent Lightning
in September 1st, 2012 @ 18:01Doctor Who Season: The one time of the year where I regret watching everything on Netflix and not having cable.
Wait, when will the episodes come out on iTunes? Because I’d be willing to pay money to see them when they come out. I want a spoiler-free season. As in, everything coming as a surprise to me.
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muselover
in September 1st, 2012 @ 19:05If you buy the iTunes Season Pass, they come the day after they air. That’s what I did for the second series of Sherlock.
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Agent Lightning
in September 2nd, 2012 @ 07:53iTunes! Yes!
I just noticed that: “Asylum of the Daleks” is up for purchase.
Now to convince my parents that this is a reasonable use of money to buy all these episodes, yes
I’m going to do this. Because my friends all watch it and I’m not going to be held back by this. DOCTOR WHO! IT IS MIIIIIINE YESSSSSSS
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Cerulean Pyros
in September 3rd, 2012 @ 11:05If I were to write a post about “Asylum of the Daleks”, would I be spoiling the episode for the GAPAs?
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FantasyFan?!?!
in September 3rd, 2012 @ 12:48I would like to do the same, before I forget what I really really enjoyed. I watched it again last night. It was still fun.
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bookgirl_me
in September 6th, 2012 @ 06:03I hate Christmas specials on principle, but now I’m going to have to watch one to find out what happens with the bride that suddenly appeared in the TARDIS
I mean, can’t they have a “winter” special? Or a seasonal special? Something that doesn’t make me feel like a grinch? Having to go through Christmas once a year is quite enough without the sappy, substandard, moralizing tv episodes that each series seems to crank out once per year. Or at least make it have nothing to do with the rest of the series so that we can skip it in peace.
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shadowfire
in September 6th, 2012 @ 10:18Don’t worry, Christmas content in that episode is minimal.
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Luna the Lovely
in September 6th, 2012 @ 20:38Christmas content was pretty minimal in all of the Christmas specials until Moffat’s era. (And those Christmas specials, if desired, could be easily skipped without missing anything.)
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in September 7th, 2012 @ 11:11SPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERSDRWHOSPOILERS…
Today I watched three different episodes with two different doctors:The Runaway Bride, The Asylum of the Daleks and Smith and Jones. Some first impressions…
1) The Runaway Bride. Expectations: Bad. Reality: Pretty Okay.
I liked that it wasn’t too Christmas-y. Donna sort of got on my nerves after a while, but overall not too bad of an episode.The plot just seemed sort of meh… I mean, if the huon particles were somehow gotten rid of- wait, let’s just stop there. I’ve only seen New Who so far, but I did gather there used to be more TARDISes, so why would they bother trying to destroy the particles that could fuel them? They’re Time Lords after all. Besides, wouldn’t that wrinkle mean that all TARDISes would keep very, very strongly attracting each other? *sudden mental image of a TARDIS in a TARDIS in a TARDIS in…*
I’m sure there are canon explanations, but there must have been some other plot device that made a smidge more sense. And once again, there’s a hidden floor and the monster of the week is hiding under some London landmark. Didn’t we just do the whole landmark thing last episode?
More random thoughts: If I was the bride, I’d be a little bit more shocked that my groom was dancing with some blonde at my reception without me. A bit quick to move on, eh? Also, what’s with the relevant-lyric music?
2) Asylum of the Daleks
It’s a bit of a shock to see 11 again after watching so many 10 episodes… I really liked the whole Dalek Asylum story-line but the Ponds drove me up a wall. They’ve gotten married, found out they had an adult daughter who’s dating the doctor and now… Where has all the character development gone? Now they want tobreak updivorce because of Amy’s infertility and then the Daleks pop in and they have a quick chat and they kiss and make up. Whaaaaat?Somehow, it feels like they haven’t gotten anywhere at all and I’m just not feeling it from the actors or the script. If I had somehow tuned in late and just missed the first ten minutes or so, I’d have assumed that they’re still dating/married and nothing has happened between then. To run the whole broken-but-get-back-together story-line, the audience needs to see it first. How they can’t communicate anymore. How that probably causes some trust issues (I mean, you wait 2000 years for a girl and then she suddenly leaves you for no good reason). I never even knew they wanted a kid! And now they’re both in a high-pressure situation with added nostalgia of the dream team they used to be. But instead, the story-line separates them and when it finally sticks them back into a room, everything is resolved in a few minutes as if they never even fought. There’s also no sign that more than a few weeks have passed since we saw them last. Gah.
But I adored the twist at the end.
3) Smith and Jones
I have a feeling that Martha is going to be my favorite companion of them all. I have an incredible weakness for people who always ask how things work and I love the way she interacts with the Doctor. She’s got a life, a job, a goal she’s working towards and she’s going to ask good questions. I suppose I can relate to her more because she’s the sort of person you’d want to relate to without being a complete Mary Sue. And there’s no jealous boyfriend around yet (keeping my fingers crossed- I liked Rory, but somehow once you’ve seen one, you’ve seen hem all). So yeah, I’m pretty excited. The plot was interesting too.(Sorry about the disorganized post)
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 7th, 2012 @ 12:07I’m going to watch Asylum of the Daleks later today so I skipped over that part.
I really liked Martha. In my opinion series 3 is the best series of NuWho.
I HATED Donna in “The Runaway Bride!” XD She’s so whiny and stupid!SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS Just gonna say here that I absolutely love Donna but don’t want to spoil for bookgirl that she comes back in series four. SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS SPOILERS SERIES FOUR SPOILIERS
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 7th, 2012 @ 22:46ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILER BE WARNED ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILER BE WARNED ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILER BE WARNED ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILER BE WARNED ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILER BE WARNED
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH So Oswin is the same actress as the new companion and there is LITTLE TO NO DOUBT in my mind that they are the same character because WHY THE CAKE WOULD MOFFAT DO THIS IF HE DOESN’T HAVE A PLAN. HE ALWAYS HAS A PLAN.
AND NOW I CAN BE HER FOR HALLOWEEN BECAUSE SHE HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN ONSCREEN.
But, I mean, besides my mind being blown, this was a pretty mediocre episode. Moffat didn’t do a good job with making the Daleks scary again… I mean, I was really scared of them until the series four finale actually. RTD did a good job with making them scary, but he went a little overboard with the amount of episodes.
The “Dalek Parliment” didn’t help with the scariness.
I agree with bookgirl about Amy and Rory’s relationship–we barely saw them fight at all. We needed to see why exactly their relationship went downhill. I didn’t buy it at all, and for my friend who didn’t watch “Pond Life,” it was completely random and out of character.
I liked the fixing the bow tie metaphor, though. It was cute.
And the twist was great, too.
THE END.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 7th, 2012 @ 22:54Also please do more reviews, bookgirl! So we can all share in the horribleness of “Daleks in Manhattan.”
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in September 7th, 2012 @ 15:59A few ubiquitous characteristics of Whovians:
1. Can easily go unrecognized by most in certain circumstances.
2. In other circumstances, or if you know what to look for, they are obviously recognizable.
3. Are usually inactive until they see someone who can potentially be converted into one of them.
4. Can and will commandeer just about any kind of mechanical and/or electronic device to spread their message.
5. Upon seeing seeing someone who can potentially be converted into one of them, they will immediately begin to attempt to convert said person.
6. Have at least one distinctive catchphrase they often repeat which is related to the condition.Oh cake.
Mummy…
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Agent Lightning
in September 7th, 2012 @ 17:35I think since I started high school I’ve seen, on average, one Doctor Who t-shirt per day.
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bookgirl_me
in September 7th, 2012 @ 18:07Good, because it isn’t like that at all… Forget the *object*!
Come to think of it, I probably have to credit (friend) and (friend) for passing math despite my tutoring, not because of it. For some reason, I find myself saying one of those two after just about every math-related explanation I give.
But hey, I suppose at least I could improve my class rank (if it were measured) by confusing everyone else to death!
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Cerulean Pyros
in September 8th, 2012 @ 08:30SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS” SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS” SPOILERS BEYOND
Ponds: Okay, I had to think their situation over for a while before understanding. Amy has issues. That’s fine. She’s human. (Rory has issues, too, but they didn’t drive this episode.) In Amy’s case, she has difficulty confiding in Rory about issues she has that affect him. We have seen this at least once before. She ran away with The Doctor right before she was meant to marry Rory. This is because she wasn’t sure she was ready to marry–and she dealt with this by separating herself from Rory, instead of talking to him about it. Because Amy ran away with The Doctor, both she and Rory have been involved with his shenanigans and attracting the attention of his enemies. The worst of this is Madame Kovarian & Company kidnapping Melody. It isn’t Amy’s fault that evil people did an evil thing, but some part of her feels it is. She knows what Rory’s idea of “and they lived happily ever after” is/was. We saw it in “Amy’s Choice”: they had a house of their own, Rory was a doctor, they were expecting a child, and Rory was, in his opinion, a bit cooler (ponytail). Rory has never given me cause to think that scenario is his only idea of a happy life, but Amy’s misplaced guilt ate away at her until she believed that she was standing in the way of his long-term happiness. She dealt with it in much the same way she had dealt with her qualms about marriage: She separated herself from the person she didn’t want to hurt. That was a bad way of handling the situation, and the Ponds will need to work together to sort themselves out–probably forever, because people can’t be ironed smooth like tablecloths. Did all this get conveyed clearly in the episode? No, but it’s what I think was going on.
The Daleks: The Daleks have a prime minister! Hm, this must be a different point in time than the Dalek emperor. In other news, the new-to-us Dalek technology is scary. I wish Amy wasn’t the one fighting it off, though; it reminded me too much of “Time of Angels”/”Flesh and Bone”.
Oswin Oswald: I really, really like her. Whatever Moffat is doing with her ostensible death, I look forward to more of Jenna-Louise Coleman!
Other:
–Did anyone else notice that both Amy and Oswin saw a ballerina that wasn’t really there? Amy’s was the Dalek hallucination, and Oswin’s was on a music box.
–The Doctor was wearing his blue bow-tie and shirt, so this episode took place in the past. Food for thought.
–Are others going to forget who The Doctor is?
–Dinosaurs on a Spaceship! W00t!
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in September 8th, 2012 @ 14:15SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS BEYOND
This episode was even worse than some of the horrible ones in season six. Nobody is even going to mention the inconsistency thing with the daleks? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? The Doctor doesn’t even ask! I haven’t heard anyone mention this, and I’ve heard a lot of people talk about it! And what about the fact that they weren’t even scary? The crappy conversion thing that has been way too overused? Um, Stephen Moffat’s total inability to write three-dimensional female characters? I’m really sick of Stephen Moffat. His writing style, his unscary monsters, the failed attempts to make things creepy, the confusing overarching plotlines, all the plot devices, the shoddy explanations for things that shouldn’t have been happening in the first place, the sexism and two-dimensionalism of his female characters, so much other things–I’m so tired of all of it. I wish RTD would come back.
I’m not ranting about this because I don’t like Doctor Who anymore, because I don’t. There were really good parts of season five and season six, and I think it’s going to get better. I’m just angry.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 8th, 2012 @ 15:45SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS BEYOND
A thousand times yes. I’ve talked about the awful way the Ponds’ breakup was handled, but I just realized last night why this episode wasn’t scary: it was those dang Dalek inconsistencies.
Firstly, where are all the bronze Daleks coming from? They’ve been killed off at least three times. There should have been either more OLDER Daleks or more NEWER ones, or *gasps* both!
The thing that really ruined it for me was the conversion, though. Daleks are genocidal maniacs. They shouldn’t think that other species are even capable of being used as tools. They should just kill them. Cybermen are the converters.
The largest problem is that both the normal and insane Daleks use humans (or whatever) as tools, with their weird eyestalk-coming-out-of-the-forehead thing. Even though the only full conversion was done by the “insane” Daleks, the normal Daleks are still being way too not-Dalek.
Something that would have made this episode a whole lot better would be putting more emphasis on the insanity of the Daleks. In no way are we shown that the Daleks in the Asylum are any different from normal Daleks! Well, I guess the fact that they are more in touch with the Dalek prime directive, which is to EX-TER-MI-NATE everything that isn’t Dalek. Instead of TALKING ALL THE TIME.
Ugh.
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shadowfire
in September 8th, 2012 @ 17:22This is a general rant so I don’t think it needs a spoiler warning.
I’m really, really unhappy with the way Doctor Who is going. Not because of the acting or I object to Matt Smith, but because it just doesn’t make sense anymore. We’ve gotten these huge, overdramatic plot developments with every episode, without any attempt to develop characters or their relationships with each other. A lot of the writing has been misogynistic and awful. Things that were established as canon are being changed around without any explanation.
And I’m pretty sure a lot of these issues are because Steven Moffat, as both showrunner and writer, has the last word on everything. He wrote brilliant, self-contained, terrifying episodes for Nine and Ten. It’s just now that no one else has the authority to edit him that it isn’t going well.
I just love Doctor Who, and love Eleven (The Doctor’s Wife is quite possibly my favorite episode ever), and I really wish I didn’t have this much to rant about.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 8th, 2012 @ 17:32I’m curious as to what you and others consider misogynistic.
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POSOC
in September 8th, 2012 @ 18:26Well — speaking as someone who used to love Steven Moffat — the critique of his writing that holds the most water in my opinion is as follows:
The female characters’ lives revolve around those of the male characters.
Take River Song. In Season Six, the big reveal about her is that she was created to kill the Doctor. The pivotal element in her whole life — her whole existence — is her relationship, adversarial or loving or both, with the Doctor. This is understandable, as he’s the protagonist of the show, but throughout Season Six even the things that made River Song unique — her career as an awesome archaeologist, for instance — turn out to be related to her quest for the Doctor. She hunts the Doctor, loves the Doctor, refuses to kill the Doctor, gives up her regenerations to save the Doctor, marries the Doctor, kills the Doctor — every important thing she does onscreen is related to the Doctor.
Amy Pond, too. She spends her entire adolescence waiting for the Raggedy Doctor to come back. Now, that’s part of her character’s development, and eventually she overcomes that, sure… but only once Rory steps in to replace him. “Amy’s Choice” is basically her choice between two different men, even though it’s superficially framed as a choice between exploring the universe or settling down.
Now, none of this is unique to Moffat, or even to Doctor Who — we had a similar kind of love triangle with Rose, Mickey and Nine/Ten — but earlier female Companions had a little more individuality. Martha didn’t need a Rory in order to finally take her leave. Donna seemed to view the Doctor as something more like an exasperating but brilliant younger brother. Female characters weren’t defined exclusively by romantic story arcs, essentially, and that’s where Moffat seems to be backsliding.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 8th, 2012 @ 20:01if that’s what passes for misogyny, isn’t that something like calling a mild bruise a massive hemorrhage? “Misogyny” ought to carry more weight: it’s about hatred, denigration, abuse.
Anyway, doesn’t Rory’s life revolve even more emphatically around Amy than hers around his? Should we admire his devotion and belittle hers simply because of gender?
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POSOC
in September 8th, 2012 @ 20:46I dunno if the show demonstrates virulent misogyny. I do think Steven Moffat isn’t great at writing female characters — but as I said, that’s not a problem unique to him or to Doctor Who! It’s not even a problem I’m exempt from.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 8th, 2012 @ 23:31Authorial clumsiness is a far cry from hatred. I guess what I’m saying is that it makes as much sense to call Moffat a misogynist as it does to call someone who is vaguely liberal a communist (whether or not one considers that an insult). Sorry to belabor the point, but I think of MuseBlog as a place that values language (and fairness), and I’ve been surprised to see this word tossed at Moffat several times.
Maybe you could make a case for mildly sexist or patronizing, though even in those cases, someone could present plenty of counter evidence as well. But at some point, I’m not even sure how useful those words are any more, they’ve become so opaque.
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POSOC
in September 9th, 2012 @ 00:11“Sexist” might be a better word. I’ve never gotten the impression that Moffat hates women — but there are certain overplayed roles that men and women tend to fall into in his writing, not just in Doctor Who but in what I’ve seen of Sherlock as well. Rory is certainly as devoted to Amy as she is to him, to the point where it’s almost the sole defining factor of his character. However, his devotion tends to be more in the vein of “heroic rescuer” than “resolute rescue-ee.”
Then again, the whole point of “The Girl who Waited” was a reversal of that dynamic — an older, battle-scarred Amy turning up to bail out helpless Rory and bewildered Doctor — so I may be succumbing to confirmation bias here.
No worries about belaboring the point, by the way. This is an interesting discussion and I wish I could do it better justice. It’s been a while since I watched the show, and the latest episode (“Asylum of the Daleks,” which sparked all this conversation) is one I haven’t seen at all. I’m sure there are examples and counter-examples that I’ve forgotten.
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Oobatooba
in September 9th, 2012 @ 08:25I’m also not necessarily sure that it’s sexist, because I don’t think that the lives of all female characters in Doctor Who revolve around those of male characters, I think that the lives of most characters in the whole show revolve around the Doctor, who happens to be male. Maybe this does result in fairly two dimensional characters, and it’s not the best of writing, but I don’t think that it’s sexism, because I think that the thought process behind the writing is “women can’t do anything without men” it’s “everyone can’t do anything without the Doctor”. And yes, it annoys me too, but it doesn’t annoy me because I think it’s sexist.
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Cerulean Pyros
in September 9th, 2012 @ 09:44Thank you–Lady B., POSOC, Oobatooba–for saying such rational and thought-provoking things about this topic. Having seen this attitude towards Moffat for a while now, I am ready to expound.
No, I have never thought Moffat is misogynistic (displaying abhorrence of women). Yes, I think his writing sometimes displays negative predispositions based on gender. I also think he sometimes displays positive predispositions based on gender.
The main reason that Moffat’s writing does not generally offend me is this: Sexism, to me, is when a writer fails to treat en’s females and males equally. (Yes, en’s. Women can be sexist, too.) Moffat’s women do tend towards centralization of The Doctor (who is a man, at least for now) and flaws in character. Well, so do Moffat’s men. Madame Vastra came to Demon’s Run when The Doctor asked? So did Commander Strax. Lady B. made a point I appreciate greatly: Amy is devoted to Rory, but Rory is also devoted to Amy. They are characters in equivalent circumstances, displaying the same emotion and attitude, though not in the same way. They are equally faulted. Amy has communication difficulties. Rory is disposed to consider himself inferior. They balance.
I do not mean to say that people should not be offended or disapproving. Not at all! Insult is a personal thing. If you feel a person has given offense, it is your right to call the offender out. My point is only to explain that I have a different attitude towards the writer under discussion, and why. Yes, his portrayals of women (and of men) can spur my disapproval. Yes, there are writers whose gender politics I hold in higher esteem. My evaluation, though, is that he does not display sexism with frequency or extremity.
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shadowfire
in September 9th, 2012 @ 19:03I’m sorry for the hasty wording. Never mind.
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speller73
in September 9th, 2012 @ 18:31POSSIBLE DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS BUT I’M NOT SURE What gets me so much with Amy is that she has so little autonomy. Her entire childhood was affected by the Doctor’s visit; she spent twelve years actually believing she was crazy because of him. But that’s nothing compared to the fact that her actual body was held hostage during a pregnancy that she didn’t know about and then had her child stolen from her and the whole thing made her unable to have kids, and the fact that losing her bodily autonomy in that huge way is completely terrifying to me. There’s also a fair amount of casual sexism both on the show itself and in comments Moffat has made about the show ie a few times in the Doctor says that Amy is “crazy” because she’s a woman and there’s a fair amount of objectification of Amy. And this doesn’t even get into the all of the women on the show fall into the same basic archetype, which might not be sexist per se but is a pretty big problem especially on a show which has so many other issues with how it treats its female characters.
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Vendaval
in September 9th, 2012 @ 22:14Is the body horror in the loss of anatomical autonomy an indictment of Amy’s character though? I found the lack of agency in The Hunger Games frustrating, because Katniss doesn't have to actively confront moral dilemmas, even though that's kinda the point of the drama. Amy, on the other hand, is faced with bizarre new realities and horrifying losses, but continues to fight on even though she essentially loses control over her own body. Losing control doesn't make her a weak character; not presenting her with real decisions would.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 10th, 2012 @ 11:14DOCTOR WHO SERIES 6 SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES 6 SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES 6 SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES 6 SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES 6 SPOILERS
Feminist Frequency did a video about that… although it was before series 6, so her Doctor Who example was Martha in “The Sontaran Stratagem.” Hijacking a woman’s pregnancy is pretty common in sci-fi. Doctor Who does it a little better than most, where Amy is actually traumatized by the event. But the show picks up for series 6 part 2 after a time has passed, so Amy appears normal. Which isn’t good. They should have shown more of Amy and Rory’s home life.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 10th, 2012 @ 11:55CPM, I think the micro series “Pond Life” (which I haven’t seen), was a nod of recognition to the need for filling in the gaps. In the end, however, they’re stuck with the inescapable fact that this is “Doctor Who,” a television action/adventure series, not “The Amy Pond Diaries.” The genre is simply not geared toward deep character development. Character has to be conveyed in shorthand, hence a reliance on archetypes. Personally, I think DW manages this better than most (compare with “Firefly,” for example).
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 10th, 2012 @ 18:04Haha, I suppose that’s true. I got the general impression that I should be caring about Amy and Rory’s home life, though. Hopefully this season will focus more on the adventures rather than the companions.
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Luna the Lovely
in September 10th, 2012 @ 23:17Daleks are genocidal maniacs. They shouldn’t think that other species are even capable of being used as tools. They should just kill them.
Have you watched Classic Who? In the vast majority of Dalek episodes, humans are being used slaves/tools to the Daleks. This is canon, and has been going on since the First Doctor’s time, it was established as canon by the creator of the Daleks (not Davros, but the real-life human Terry Nation who came up witht he idea).
And not talking all the time? You think modern Daleks talk all the time? All the ever do for the msot part in Classic Who is “Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate”. Back in Classic Who, there would be long drawn out segments of dalek dialog, and even when they were just killing people, they still had mroe variety that “exterminate” in their arsenal. So talking all the time and not just exterminating is also canon, and far, far from a new thing indicating the devolution of the writing on the show.
Wanna talk devolution of quality of the show? Let’s talk Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Now *that* was subpart Doctor Who. Too many different things going on, too many unnecessary new “companions” who added nothing to the story, and uncharacteristic behavior on the Doctor’s part.
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Luna the Lovely
in September 11th, 2012 @ 00:08Edit, 2nd paragraph: “All the ever do for the most part in *New* Who…..”
(Won’t even bother to address all the typos, but that sentence made no sense the way I had mistakenly written it)
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 11th, 2012 @ 11:01The only two Classic Who Dalek serials that I’ve watched are “The Daleks” and “The Dalek Invasion of Earth…” the latter of which they use humans as slave labor. XD
I guess I was extremely upset at the whole Dalek “complete conversion” thing and how they didn’t explain that it was something that only insane Daleks would do. I mean, honestly, what sane Dalek would willingly transform a human into Dalek perfection?
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Luna the Lovely
in September 10th, 2012 @ 23:11Re: inconsistencies with the Daleks in “Asylum of the Daleks”. That’s hardly a new thing. If you’ve watched the Classic series, there’s been so many different explanations for the creation of the Daleks, their origins, etc, that inconsistencies can’t be helped. Nearly every Dalek story I’ve watched throughout Classic Who, in some form or fashion, contradicts earlier Dalek storylines. And rarely is an explanation offered for why Daleks who should be dead are still living–especially Davros. The Doctor killed Davros numerous times, but he just keeps coming back.
And using humans, instead of just killing them outright? That’s not new either. The last Dalek serial of Classic Who (with the Seventh Doctor), there was a little schoolgirl who the Daleks were mindcontrolling, and she was actually in charge of a whole section of Daleks.
But even in earlier Dalek serials, most notably the one where Susan Foreman left, if I remember correctly (Dalek Invasion of Earth), back in the First Doctor’s era, humans were being used not only as slaves, but i believe, like with the cybermen of modern Who, had what were essentially little ear pieces that made them nice, docile, obedient little servants. They were essentially Dalek humans. Or, if anybody wishes to site the rather poor episode that was Dalek’s in Manhattan, they were going to use humans to make Dalek hybrids in that serial, as well–and you can’t blame Moffat for that one.
And humans have been used as a slave race to the Daleks in quite a large number of serials–and not just in New Who. I’ve seen every Dalek Doctor Who episode written, and nearly every Doctor Who episode ever written (just a season and a half of the Seventh and the Eighth Doctor’s movie to go). Inconsistencies are a given, return of a type of Dalek, or a specific Dalek that has been killed off at least twice? Also a given, and half the time no explanation for how they survived.
It’s a bit like the Master–he keeps getting killed, and keeps coming back, no explanation provided. It’s just one of those givens in Doctor Who, whether you like it or not, and Moffatt can’t be blamed for that.
For those calling for a return of RTD, he brought Daleks into the picture, as well, numerous times he killed them off, saying all of them were dead, only for them all to be back a few episodes later. He may not have had the overly complex storylines that Moffat has, but he was far from perfect himself. Every doctor, every season has it’s low points, has its time where you just have to ask yourself “what the cake were they on when they thought this premise was a good idea”, but Asylum of the Daleks? It may not be the best Doctor Who episode ever, but it was lively, it was entertaining, and it kept me glued to the screen, and the scene between the Ponds was heartbreaking (even if it was a bit ridiculous of a plot device to break up/make up in the course of one episode of Pond Life and one Doctor Who episode).
And the Daleks not being scary? The Daleks have never been scary, not a single Dalek episode was scary. The closest to scary a Dalek episode was, wasn’t the Daleks that were scary, it was the cold, calculating, completely at odds to previous behavior, of the Seventh Doctor exterminating them all in one evil, cunning, manipulation. Now that left me sitting in my seat in shock, when the Seventh manipulated the Daleks into unknowingly blowing up their entire planet and their invasion fleet.
Yeah, I wouldn’t have minded knowing how Skaro came to no longer be a pile of dust after it was destoryed in the last Dalek episode of
Classic Who, but it’s just another one of those numerous inconsistencies that’s going to happen when you’re watching a time travel show where events get changed and altered all the time. Try mapping out a timeline of the Cybermen, the Daleks, pretty much any recurring monster of the series, and you’ll find so many inconsistencies it will make your head hurt–and that’s before you even come close to reaching New Who.
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in September 11th, 2012 @ 16:04If you’re looking for an explanation regarding Skaro still existing, I believe I can help. According to one of the Eighth Doctor novels (War of the Daleks, I believe? it’s in one of the ones I haven’t read yet) it wasn’t the real Skaro that Seven destroyed, but a terraformed decoy created by Daleks from the future. All of which is rather dubious canon, but it’s as good an explanation as any. (My typical approach to Doctor Who is that all of it is canon, including “The Curse of the Fatal Death.” It makes about as much sense as anything else.)
Plus, the movie involves Seven going to Skaro to pick up the Master’s remains – and this is right before Seven regenerates. A total lack of attention to continuity is not unique to Moffat. (That story is also a good example of Daleks not just exterminating on sight; we’re told that they actually put the Master on trial!)
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in September 23rd, 2012 @ 09:04I think that part of it is that the old who is the same characters and everything, but plot-wise, they’re actually different shows. Yes, a base level of consistency is good so that if you watch the old who and the new who they both feel like Doctor Who, but since the plot-lines of the new series are so vastly different from the old series and because things have changed, I think that the writers have the right to a little inconsistency if it helps the overall plot in general be a better story, and makes it more enjoyable to watch. Doctor Who has also been going on for a long time, but often, especially in Classic Who, people didn’t know when it was going to stop, so they wouldn’t always leave that detail in there in case they have time to bring the Master or the Daleks back, so I think it’s sometimes ok to have the Master come back and say “did you really think you could kill me?”. I guess I would prefer elegant explanations and better tying up of loose ends, but what they do it excusable. If it’s so inconsistent that it annoys people enough that it cancels out the enjoyment you get from it, then it’s obviously not working, but I don’t think that this is actually true in Doctor Who yet, in most cases.
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Paul Baker (Administrator)
in September 24th, 2012 @ 14:36So, here’s this blog, populated largely by American kids and post-kids, who are all inveterate fans of an American magazine. And here’s this section, full of deep analysis and impassioned discussion of the latest cult TV shows, which seem to be : Dr. Who, Torchwood, Sherlock, and a bit of Merlin. Half of these kids and post-kids have DVD collections of ALL of Dr. Who. Hundreds of episodes, going back to my youth, and they’ve seen every one, which is more than I ever did. The modern world is strange, and rather wonderful.
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in September 24th, 2012 @ 17:40I watched Asylum of the Daleks! SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS I COPYPASTED THIS SPOILER WARNING BECAUSE I DIDN’T FEEL LIKE TYPING ONE OUT
After seeing all the above critiques, I must put in my own two cents: Yes, Moffat gets out of hand. But I don’t think this season will be as bad as that one in that regard. The feminism: Hm, you guys have a point, but honestly I can’t force myself to care too much about that stuff. I dunno, it would just take too much time, energy, and debate for me to really go in depth about femenism in Doctor Who, and in the end I wouldn’t enjoy the show any more. Re: Inconsistencies in the Daleks: Yeah, it would take way too much pain to be consistent with the Daleks. But that’s Daleks for ya. And the only other option would be for Moffat to contrive some overly detailed, overly complicated, hard-to-follow explanation for every single inconsistency. I expect they will return in full, memories intact. Overall I liked the episode. Looking forward to Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 24th, 2012 @ 22:48Yeah I decided not to be too critical from now on… I genuinely enjoyed the next three episodes of the series, especially “Power of Three.” But not the end of that episode. Just the first forty minutes.
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in September 26th, 2012 @ 11:55SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I just watched this episode, and I honestly did enjoy it. Except that the characters all seemed pretty oblivious to one glaringly obvious fact. I mean, really, there’s no way I was the only one to realize Oswin was a dalek from the first time she mentions hacking into the security!!
Although it did put an amusing spin on her flirting with Rory.
And yes, I have to admit, I would have preferred an actually sufficient excuse for the Ponds’ divorce. But that really only impacted my enjoyment of that one scene, which wasn’t really to my taste anyway,
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Agent Lightning
in September 26th, 2012 @ 19:22SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I agree about the Ponds’ divorce– everything you said about it. I agree with it all.
But yeah, I feel like I should have known that Oswin was a Dalek. But I didn’t want to believe it, I guess. Plus isn’t Oswin the new companion after Amy and Rory leave? She can’t be a companion if she’s a Dalek. But I guess she’ll have to stop being a Dalek.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 27th, 2012 @ 01:37SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I’m assuming she’s a companion before she becomes a Dalek.
Or it could be two completely different characters, since they have different names.
But it’s the same actress in the same season; of course they have to be the same character
But they have different names! Maybe Moffat’s just being lazy!
Moffat always has weird, convoluted plans! There’s no way this is a coincidence!
But he already has River Song! Why does he need another character that the Doctor’s met before?! Aargh.
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Agent Lightning
in September 27th, 2012 @ 04:50SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS
But… didn’t she say it was her first time out in the universe when she had crashed the spaceship? Also, yeah, I thought the new companion was going to be named something else. And wasn’t she supposed to show up in the Christmas special instead of now?
All will be revealed in the Christmas special, I suppose!
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 27th, 2012 @ 07:18SORT OF DOCTOR WHO SPOILER JUST IN CASE SPOILER SORT OF DOCTOR WHO SPOILER JUST IN CASE SPOILER
Are we sure her name will be different? IMDB originally listed “Oswin” for the AotD episode, and “Clara” for the rest, but when I checked later, the name had been changed to “Clara Oswin” for the upcoming installments. I haven’t researched the question thoroughly, though.
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in September 27th, 2012 @ 08:50SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Maybe she has an identical twin.
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Adeliae
in September 27th, 2012 @ 09:10SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO
I was confused by that… I hadn’t put much thought into it because I was more relieved that Amy and Rory had not died some horrible and dreadful death and were still (temporarily) the Doctor’s companions.
I suppose all we can do is wait and grumble about Moffat’s insanity.
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Lizzie
in September 27th, 2012 @ 10:23IMDB is not a reliable source – it’s member-updated, not industry-updated.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 27th, 2012 @ 12:11Oh, I know. I just happened to be there looking up something or other and noticed the change. As I said, I didn’t research it any further.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in September 27th, 2012 @ 13:16Yeah… I’m pretty sure nothing has been confirmed yet, just to make us squirm.
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Randomosity101
in September 27th, 2012 @ 17:00SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
The Wall Street Journal is generally a reliable source, right?
“In the Christmas special he meets his new chum, or someone he thinks is his new chum,†Smith said. “The episode will deal with the arrival of Jenna-Louise Coleman as companion and the subsequent adventures with the Doctor thereafter.â€
I would like to repeat a section for emphasis: “or someone he thinks is his new chum”. This is Steven Moffat we’re talking about. Anything’s possible.
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Agent Lightning
in September 27th, 2012 @ 17:35SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
Ooh joy. *hears Dalek voices in back of head*
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Randomosity101
in September 27th, 2012 @ 18:38SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SERIES SEVEN EPISODE ONE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS “ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS†SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
That would be the most ironic Doctor/Companion thing ever.
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in September 28th, 2012 @ 05:31The Big Bang Theory season 6 première was yesterday, I believe. Did anyone see it? I’m (hopefully) about to watch it.
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shadowfire
in September 30th, 2012 @ 02:44SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE ANGELS TAKE MANHATTAN SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS
No more Ponds.
No.
I refuse to acknowledge this as a thing that happened. I am in fact not going to watch it again with my bro even though that has developed as one of the only things we actually enjoy doing in each other’s company. Because I will start crying in front of him and that would be awkward.
(Also when Eleven makes sad faces it is the worst thing ever because he looks like a little kid who’s just been told his puppy went to heaven)
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in September 30th, 2012 @ 17:53SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS
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just tears
so many tears
i actually feel bad for my roommate, because she was home all weekend and she literally walked in as I was finishing the episode and I was basically just crying on top of my keyboard and she walks through the door with all her bags and I walk over and just say “Hi, I need a hug” and she had to accept the brunt of my emotions which is fine because we love each other and she’s basically my mother
but i am SO SAD
THEY DIED TWICE IN ONE EPISODE.
MY FEELS WERE NOT PREPARED
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in September 30th, 2012 @ 18:25Um, sure looked like a spoiler to me. Kind of a major one, in fact. Glad I had just finished watching the episode. I added a warning.
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Lizzie
in September 30th, 2012 @ 19:50maybe lengthen the warning a little?
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in September 30th, 2012 @ 20:10Done!
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Lizzie
in October 1st, 2012 @ 10:47Thanks!
And so I’m contributing to the discussion,
SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE ANGELS TAKE MANHATTAN SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERSMan. This episode. I think this is the first episode in the past two seasons that I’ve finished and immediately been, “I need to rewatch that.” It was just so emotional and so scary. I’m really glad the Ponds get a proper send-off, although I do wonder why Amy was listed as being 4 years older than Rory. Also, the fakeout when they jumped off the building, and then just as you thought they were ok… T_T although I did see the angel. Lot of great River Song in this episode, too – we see how much her relationship with the Doctor wears on her, and I felt like it was perhaps her best writing since Silence in the Library. Also, Matt Smith is a fantastic actor. I thought the Statue of Liberty was stretching things a little, though – but maybe the episode needed that comic relief. Also, I really hope this teaches the Doctor NOT TO MUTILATE BOOKS
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Luna the Lovely
in October 15th, 2012 @ 17:56SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE ANGELS TAKE MANHATTAN SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS
i had the same question at first about the age gap on the tombstone, but then I realized….She’s listed as 5 years older because she probably died 5 years later than Rory.
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agrrrfishi
in September 30th, 2012 @ 20:40Ugh. Ooops. I’m sorry, you guys. Been a long day. I feel really bad now.
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agrrrfishi
in September 30th, 2012 @ 20:44You can actually probably just delete my entire post, there was really no point to it. I’ll make a better one on the subject later.
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Randomosity101
in October 1st, 2012 @ 15:56SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE ANGELS TAKE MANHATTAN SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS
So, the Statue of Liberty thing was going too far in my opinion, but it’s great as an out-of-context humorous advertisement for the episode. That is, I told a Whovian friend who hadn’t seen the episode yet (seeing as it was mentioned in the blurb for the episode on at least one site, I didn’t consider it a big spoiler), and she laughed so hard she could barely stand up.
The baby angels were deliciously creepy. They reminded me of how Steven Moffat made preschool-age kids terrifying in The Empty Child, which happens to be my favorite episode. Speaking of which, I think this was probably the best Eleven episode written by Moffat so far. I had truly thought he’d lost his touch during or shortly after Silence in the Library (don’t get me wrong, that was a pretty good episode, but it somehow seemed to me like a slightly paler imitation of his own earlier work, just with new characters). Now, I am willing to admit that I might have been wrong.
I had already known that Amy and Rory were leaving soon. I also knew that Amy at least would never return – when I was looking for confirmation for whether or not Eleven’s new companion really would be the actress who played Oswin Oswald, I found a statement from Karen Gillan to that effect – and you really can’t have such a dependent character as Rory without the girl who is the center of his universe. I just didn’t realize it would be this episode, so that came as a slight surprise. And the fact that Rory dies twice didn’t make me so much as raise an eyebrow, I mean, he is Rory after all. And Amelia going in after him was something anyone who watched Amy’s Choice could predict.
Anyway, yeah. In my opinion, that was an episode well done.
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in October 13th, 2012 @ 10:15SFTDP.
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So I just watched a preview of the upcoming season of Doctor Who. Sorry if I’m a bit behind in knowing this, but The Doctor’s companion will not be a dalek. That is all.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in October 23rd, 2012 @ 02:52TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS TORCHWOOD SEASON TWO SPOILERS
I just finished watching “Exit Wounds” with my Doctor Who buddy and we were bawling. We knew it was coming we knew it was in that episode but we didn’t know how. Tosh and Owen die. And how if Jack were literally a minute faster in defrosting, Tosh would have been saved. Or how Jack wasted so much time with Gwen & co. in the friggin’ basement while Tosh was LITERALLY DYING and… and… AARGH! RTD your plotlines are so sad and so easily avoidable!!! Actually that episode totally wasn’t written by RTD.
And Owen’s death was sad, too, but he kind of had to die because he was already dead, you know? It was alright for him BUT NOT FOR TOSH NOOOO
STILL WHEN TOSH MENTIONED SPACE PIG….!!!! I immediately knew what she was talking about I remembered the scientist in the first Slitheen story was Asian and I made my Doctor Who buddy look it up AND IT WAS ACTUALLY HER THE SAME ACTRESS RTD I love you for retconning that into your show! And not in some half-baked way like you did with Freema what you did with Tosh was amazing and totally in character even though her actions in the actual episode were totally out of character I mean come on Tosh wouldn’t have screamed at the sight of a pig it’s TOSH we’re talking about here she is so AWESOME and she had been at Torchwood for a bit so she was probably used to stuff like that (Weevils are waaay worse than pigs in spacesuits). So yeah RTD I respect your retconning.
But when we watched the scene about the space pig we were crying about Tosh and then we saw that TARDIS and we cried about that and then we saw the Ninth Doctor and we cried about him and then my Doctor Who buddy started crying about Rose (he’s a big Rose fan) and then we saw the blue sonic screwdriver and we cried about that and then there was an actual silly joke and we had missed that so much in Torchwood so we cried about that, too. And then we looked at the YouTube comments and there was one that said Tosh was pretending to be a doctor because Owen was hungover and then we cried about BOTH TOSH AND OWEN BECAUSE THEY’RE DEAD. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
So we’re going to need a few weeks to cope and recover it’s so sad so so sad
Can someone console me please I know it gets worse but I have to push onward maybe there are more Doctor references then it’ll get better maybe maybe maybe
and now Gwen and Ianto are characters that we actually like as opposed to halfway-hating at the beginning of season two and horrible things are going to happen to them too I know something happens to Ianto but I don’t know what I don’t know
Please check back with me as soon as I’m done grieving
also we’re pretending Tosh and Owen are on vacation in Italy okay okay good
*Torchwoodramblingover
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in October 24th, 2012 @ 16:16I agree. Actually, my exact reaction is in post 72. It’s pretty short, if you’d like to look at it. Basically, YANA.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in October 29th, 2012 @ 04:02TORCHWOOD CHILDREN OF EARTH SPOILERS *insert River Song* TORCHWOOD CHILDREN OF EARTH SPOILERS *insert River Song* TORCHWOOD CHILDREN OF EARTH SPOILERS *insert River Song* TORCHWOOD CHILDREN OF EARTH SPOILERS *insert River Song*
Whelp, now Ianto’s dead. I was under the assumption that he died next season, but nope, he’s dead. I think he deserves an obituary just like Owen and Tosh, but he just didn’t manage to redeem himself over the course of Series 2. He got a lot better, don’t get me wrong, but when we didn’t like him in the first place, it’s really hard to build the love that we had for Tosh. So yeah.
But I’m pretty sad because Jack’s sad. And now he’s running away to be forever alone in a bar and hook up with a random dude named Alonso just because the Doctor wants him to. That’s pretty low.
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Randomosity101
in October 29th, 2012 @ 15:48Oops, I meant to squid that, not pie it.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in November 26th, 2012 @ 02:43TORCHWOOD MIRACLE DAY SPOILERS TORCHWOOD MIRACLE DAY SPOILERS TORCHWOOD MIRACLE DAY SPOILERS TORCHWOOD MIRACLE DAY SPOILERS TORCHWOOD MIRACLE DAY SPOILERS TORCHWOOD MIRACLE DAY SPOILERS
I have to say it was pretty decent! I would be down to watch more Torchwood, if any more episodes are made.
I’m a little upset at the total lack of explanation–As I said after watching (but a little more explicit): “Jack, you can’t caking transfer your caking fixed point status to another caking person.” The whole “ooohhh, we don’t know what the Blessing is” thing was really stupid. We need the Doctor to come in and explain everything. He doesn’t even need to actually do anything, just blab his mouth off.
And speaking of Doctor Who, we really liked the ending with the three “What??”‘s; I was doubled over laughing! Tenth Doctor referenced in style. Or maybe not and it’s just RTD overusing a tired phrase.
Speaking of Doctor Who again, it’s a little disheartening that if Jack ever comes back, he’s going to have to spend some of his precious screen time explaining everything! So, if anything, a new season of Torchwood needs to happen before Jack is ever brought back, because his presence in a Doctor Who episode now would be kind of lame.
Oh, and Esther’s dead. I didn’t really get too attached to her, so…
And Gwen’s transformation from tied least-favorite character to close second-favorite character (behind Jack, of course) is complete.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 3rd, 2012 @ 16:22I just watched the Torchwood blooper reels and they’re so much funnier than Doctor Who’s! You really see that the cast are all great friends! For Doctor Who you really need to watch David Tennant’s video diaries to see that connection.
Anyway, John Barrowman keeps accidentally having a Scottish accent and it’s really cute. Like, he’s in Wales, which I guess is close enough for his mind to think he’s in Scotland.
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Adeliae
in December 5th, 2012 @ 20:07Agreed – I love seeing how the cast interact with each other… they are very much a team both in and out of the show, even if they don’t always find so many aliens when not filming.
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in December 14th, 2012 @ 17:43Guys.
What did you get me into.
Guys.
Srsly.
why can’t i stop watching doctor who
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Adeliae
in December 15th, 2012 @ 10:40You have joined us. Congratulations.
Just wait until you have caught up and there won’t be another episode for such a long time…
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Randomosity101
in December 15th, 2012 @ 10:42Don’t worry; by the time you get through one season, you won’t want to.
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& screws up in posting a lot. Forgive her.
in December 15th, 2012 @ 14:52Ooh! Where are you at?
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LittleBasementKitten
in December 15th, 2012 @ 15:25Just finished up Dalek.
EXTERMINATEReally looking forward to The Empty Child and follow up episode: I had a Whovian summer camp counselor last year, and she told me about those episodes.
Are you my mummy?
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Agent Lightning
in December 17th, 2012 @ 17:55Welcome, LBK! *gives sonic screwdriver and fez* You’ll be wanting these.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in December 17th, 2012 @ 18:49(That was an accidental squid.)
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in December 15th, 2012 @ 12:02The Hour, anyone?
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in December 16th, 2012 @ 07:58SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO THOUGH IT’S NOT LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Right. With that out of the way, I decided I’m going to do a proper reaction post, to each episode individually. This will probably be a wall of text, so be warned. Also, apologies if some things seem chronologically out of order: I’m just going off what I remember about the episode, which might not be entirely correct. Feel free to correct me if you spot some discrepancies.
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“Rose”:
This episode…was actually really good. I had heard from multiple sources that one had to wade through the first two or three episodes to get to the good ones, but I didn’t think so. There was a nice introduction to Rose as a slightly ditzy but faithful heroine, and a good introduction to Nine. Love the dialogue when they’re running away from the mannequins, and when the Doctor tells her to run for her life after introducing himself.
I actually didn’t really like Rose at first: There’s just something about her sculpted eyebrows and poofy lips that turned me off. But she’s grown on me, and so has Nine, though I must admit, I’m looking forward to Ten (David Tennantttttttttttt). Also, I really liked, and continue to like, the different villains in the show.
Mannequins. They’re lumping scary now. But I like the way they die, all twitchy and quiet.
“The End of the World”:
Okay, this one was also very interesting. A bunch of rich people paying to keep the Earth “alive,” then paying to see it’s destruction? Actually feasible, in the very distant future, in my opinion. The rich will always want entertainment, and what better than Earth exploding? Also, blue aliens that aren’t the Na’vi! Hooray! And tree people: those are probably my favorite aliens at the moment.
Love the Doctor’s attitude towards everything. You think he’ll lie to keep Rose calm, but nope! Just flat out tells her things. And we learn his species: “Time Lord.” Very cool. Ending was sad, but realistic. No one can save everyone every time. And look, Nine has feelings other than happiness and possibly fear! Character development! Hand holding!
The scary flat “human” (What was her name? Cassandra or something like that?) was a pretty good villain who met a pretty good end. I like that line the Doctor says when she’s pleading for him to save her.
“The Unquiet Dead”:
Yesssssss Victorian London is the greatest. I love clothing from that period: it’s right up there with 1920s gangsters. But anyway, the TARDIS has a wardrobe and Rose is somehow able to follow the Doctor’s complicated instructions. Then the Doctor doesn’t change. Oh, Nine. Moving on, the villain: I forget their name, but they did seem like they were truly needing of help from the Doctor. Such good actors.
So this servant girl has “The Sight,” whatever that means. She can see inside other people’s heads? Was this something given to her by the aliens/angels or was she just born with it? The episode was a bit vague on that, but it didn’t lessen my enjoyment of it. Also,
zambamboszombies that don’t want brains, they want the whole package.And then there was Charles Dickens, come to save the day! Hard as it is to admit it, I did actually enjoy reading “Great Expectations.” Perhaps I should try some of his other stuff. Then the servant girl saves the day after already being dead for five minutes.
Then more handholding and sad realizations.
“Aliens of London”:
First two-part special, yay! Fat people who fart a lot is one of the most disgusting things in my opinion: I don’t see how the other people around can keep a straight face, excuses made or not. Also, a spacecraft crashes into the Thames, after hitting Big Ben. Forgive me, but if I was an alien with a malfunctioning spacecraft, I would try to land somewhere a bit less populated: didn’t anyone think it was suspicious other than the Doctor? Not even Rose?
Ah, well. Moving on. I really like Harriet Jones, especially the way she introduces herself, and insist she’s nothing special when clearly she is. And then a bunch of stuff happens and we learn the “alien” from the “spacecraft” was just a pig with different wiring in a spacesuit. I have to say, getting everyone on hyper alert so they don’t notice an alien invasion is at once the smartest and most ludicrous plan I’ve ever heard.
No, Nine, you can’t die! The season isn’t even halfway over!
“World War Three”:
Yay, electric shock is only fatal to humans! And apparently all the aliens are connected somehow…? Bit sketchy, but a good theory. Apparently the Doctor has memorized pretty much every planet in the universe and what species lives on them. So they’re made of living calcium. Interesting. And they explode when you throw vinegar on them.
Non-sequitur: does the cabinet room of 10 Downing Street really have those neat-o emergency steel panels, or was the made up for the show? That would be cool if there was really a steel box like that. Also, what was the override password for everything? I thought I heard “buffalo,” but that doesn’t seem right. Back to the episode: Aw, look. The Doctor doesn’t want to lose Rose. And then 10 Downing Street exploded.
10 seconds time. Poor Rose’s mother and Mickey.
“Dalek”:
I have so many feels about this episode. Hate towards the obnoxious American, pity towards the poor Dalek, anger towards Adam (no one steals Rose from the Doctor! *pouts*). Also, I don’t like this side of the Doctor. I prefer nice sassy sarcastic Nine to crazy homicidal Nine. I mean, I understand that the Daleks killed his entire species, and that he’s probably got a lot of bottled up hate, but it still scared me that there even is this side to him.
I think Rose had a bigger part in this episode than the previous ones. She was sort of the “bridge” between the Dalek and everyone else, insisting that they give it a chance before trying to kill it. Not that they can kill it, but still. I want to cuddle that Dalek so hard now. The poor thing. Can’t the Doctor listen to someone other than himself for once?
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And that concludes the first half of LBK’s Wall of Responses. Tune in next time for gas-mask zombies, the end of the season, and Bad Wolf???
Also, I think this is the longest post I’ve ever written.
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Randomosity101
in December 16th, 2012 @ 11:32Oh, my dearest blogsister, welcome to the Whovian family! I’m so happy you’ve joined us.
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I completely agree about the episode “Rose”, except that I never wanted Nine to leave. The line “I’m The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life.” Kind of made the series for me.
Lady Cassandra is creepy. But did you notice the dialogue she had with Rose when she was talking about her past? I don’t remember most of the conversation, but I remember being a bit thrown for a loop when she said “growing up as a little boy on the [place name I can’t remember] crevasse.” I couldn’t stop speculating because of it. Was she originally going to be a different character, and they missed changing that part of the script? Did her hundreds of surgeries include a sex change (I hope this isn’t too big a spoiler, but you find out later that she was female even before she was flat)? It just didn’t seem to me like a simple slip of the tongue.
“The Unquiet Dead” was awesome. Nine confusing Charles Dickens.
The Slitheen’s plan may be ludicrous, but it was also perfect, don’t you think? And I doubt you’ll ever forget how to pronounce “Raxacoricofallapatorius”. It looked to me like the electric shock was transmitted between the Slitheen through the collars they wear so that they can fit into human skins. They also seemed to have mild telepathic abilities, so maybe the collars had some kind of field to connect them?
I have to admit, I like the homicidal side of The Doctor. It explains a lot of his other traits, like how back in Rose, he tried to explain what he was (without using his actual species name), and he seemed really forlorn and confused. Later you find out he’s the last of his species. He seems to be willing to do anything to stop genocide and to protect the human race, who look just like Timelords. A huge, catastrophic war between the Timelords and the daleks that left The Doctor alone sort of makes all of that fit together. And if you were the last of your species, looking at the last of the species that made you so, wouldn’t you want it to die too?
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LittleBasementKitten
in December 16th, 2012 @ 12:36SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO THOUGH IT’S NOT LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Yeah, I really liked that line as well. Great introduction.
No, I didn’t notice that bit of dialogue. I’ll have to go back and rewatch that episode.
I also thought the collars had something to do with connecting all the different members of the family, but it was never explicitly said. That does seem like the most likely explanation, though.
Yeah, that does make sense, why he gets a little crazy when he encounters the Dalek. I’m not saying I hate that side of him, I’m just saying it scares me.
Also, I just finished “The Doctor Dances,” and it is now my new favorite episode. Every new episode I watch becomes my new favorite episode.
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Randomosity101
in December 16th, 2012 @ 18:46SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO THOUGH IT’S NOT LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I will not ask the ubiquitous question, because that would just be awkward. “The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances is still my favorite story arch (since I can’t call it my favorite episode). It scared the cake out of me, and that’s hard to do.
Do you have a favorite Doctor quote so far? I ask because mine is from “The Empty Child”.
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LittleBasementKitten
in December 17th, 2012 @ 16:23SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO THOUGH IT’S NOT LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I’ve got a bit of a headache, and the only one I can think of that stuck with me is “I’m glad that worked: those would have made terrible last words” from “The Doctor Dances.” I’m sure there was another one, but it seems I’ve forgotten it.
If I remember it, I’ll let you know.On another note, I am now thinking in a British accent.
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Randomosity101
in December 18th, 2012 @ 16:11SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO THOUGH IT’S NOT LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Sympathy squids for your headache, but yeah that was a great line.
Oh, and don’t worry about thinking in a British accent. I’m pretty sure all us Whovians do or have done so at some point. (I sometimes think in Nine’s voice – accent included – but try as I might, I can’t fake a British accent out loud.)
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Kittymine, OSW
in December 16th, 2012 @ 18:22I officially got into Doctor Who in September (just in time for my first semester of college to start). I caught up with it around a month ago, so now I’m waiting with the rest of the Whovian world for Dec. 25th. While waiting, one of my friends suggested I watch Sherlock. I finished all 6 episodes in about two weeks (note: each is 90 minutes long), so now I’m waiting for Who and for the next season of Sherlock, which I believe is due to air Jan. 13th.
I hope I can take the suspense.
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LittleBasementKitten
in December 16th, 2012 @ 19:13January? I heard it had been pushed to autumn, around September.
It would be really awesome if it was January, though.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 17th, 2012 @ 14:10Wiki says April, with the source being Doctor Who Magazine, so I think that’s at least tentatively official. Besides, I don’t think they would have a regular season running right up to the (assumed spectacular) 50th anniversary special, which would presumably air in November 2013.
So not quite as long a wait as last time, and I really hope we get more than what the first half of season 7 gave us!
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 17th, 2012 @ 14:12Oooh, scratch that, you’re talking about Sherlock.
Yeah, Sherlock airdates are always on the fritz. Especially with our lovable Watson having to roam around Middle-Earth for goodness knows how long.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 17th, 2012 @ 14:16And Sherlock having to go where no one has gone before and be a mysterious antagonist. Can’t forget that.
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Kittymine, OSW
in December 17th, 2012 @ 14:58Sherlock’s also in Middle Earth – he’s voicing Sauron, Smaug, and I believe his facial features are being used for Smaug as well.
*is impatiently waiting for winter break so she can see the Hobbit*
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in December 17th, 2012 @ 16:56Cumberbatch’s voicing Sauron and Smaug? Huh.
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Kittymine, OSW
in December 17th, 2012 @ 22:34Yeah, my dad was wondering about that. If you think about it, Sauron’s voice run through some sort of sound effects machine, so it may not sound much like Cumberbatch at the end of the day. Frankly, the only thing Sauron ever said in LOTR was “I SEE YOU” and other babblings in the tongue of Mordor.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 17th, 2012 @ 17:15Yes, I know, but I’m not sure if he *actually* had to travel to New Zealand to do anything.
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in December 16th, 2012 @ 21:12On the topic of Doctor Who, I just finished watching the fourth season. I started with the fifth season, so I’ve watched everything now, except Season 7.
I enjoyed the first four seasons. Rose is really good at making me cry, Martha’s cool and Donna rocks. Nine wasn’t my favorite but I did like him, and Ten pulled off both wackiness and angst really well. I thoroughly enjoyed watching all of them. By the time I finished End of Time, I was wondering whether I’d even enjoy the fifth seasons as much as much as I did the first time, but I wanted to keep going anyway.
Turns out the fifth season is still perfect, in my eyes. It feels quite a lot like coming home, actually.
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LittleBasementKitten
in December 17th, 2012 @ 16:26SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST SEASON OF NEW DOCTOR WHO THOUGH IT’S NOT LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Right then. Part Two! Let it begin!
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“The Long Game”:
Okay, this was another Actually Feasible one in my opinion. The media already controls a lot of information, if not all of it. And there have been incidents where said information has been used to swing the public opinion a certain way. If we imagine that on a universal scale, that’s basically this episode. Also, doors that lead to your brain: ew. And I knew bringing Adam along was a bad idea.
Hate hate hate the Editor. Seriously, he’s such a *EXPLICATIVE EXTERMINATED*. But I do like how the hierarchy of journalism applies to giant monster-aliens. “BLARGHARGLEARGH!” “Yes sir, right away sir.” That whole dialogue between the Editor and the Editor-In-Chief made me laugh. And then that journalist grew a brain and stopped the corruption. Hooray.
ARGH ADAM YOU CAKING CAKE HEAD
“Father’s Day”:
Another really feel-y episode for me. First, the Doctor nearly abandoning Rose, then all that emotion surrounding Rose’s relationship with her father. But my favorite part about this episode was the fact that it explores the other side of time travel, the dangerous situation where there are two of you in the same place at the same time. And paradoxes: gosh I love paradoxes.
Okay, so maybe Rose’s parents were not the happiest couple. They probably would have divorced soon after marrying if her father lived. I think the problem is Rose’s mother and father are just too alike: they both seem stubborn about their views, and when those views conflict it leads to argument. But in the end, they are both good people.
Nine, I knew you wouldn’t just leave Rose.
“The Empty Child”:
I had heard about this one from a camp counselor last year, but that didn’t prepare me for the level of creep in the episode. Also, Rose seems rather impulsive in this one. Instead of going to actually find the Doctor, she just calls his name once or twice then goes to help this kid who somehow found himself on top of a large building. Suspicious? Very. And then she just grabs a random rope without bothering to see where it was coming from. But then Mr. Charming comes along and saves the day! Please tell me I’m not the only one who wants some Slightly Psychic Paper for my wallet. That could come in handy.
MEANWHILE Nine is making some discoveries with Miss Nancy. I like the idea of these homeless children mooching off the rich during air raids, and how much authority Nancy wields over them. Then the, uh, other doctor shows up and explains what’s going on a bit before turning into a
zambambozombie himself. Then Rose and Jack meet up with the Doctor, and Nancy finds her dead brother somewhere else.Oh noes! How will the Doctor get out of this one???
“The Doctor Dances”:
Dunno if Nine would make a good mother, but he’s certainly good for comic relief. Meanwhile, poor Nancy’s being manhandled by some rant-y man who probably dodged the draft. Also, he’s a criminal too, taking food that might otherwise be put to better use. I like Nancy. Then the Doctor gets everyone trapped in the hospital, (“Who looks at a screwdriver and thinks ‘This could be a bit more sonic?'” “Haven’t you ever been bored!?”) only Captain Jack can escape. I like how the Doctor tries to get out of dancing with Rose by saying he’s trying to “resonate concrete.”
There were a few things I didn’t quite get about this episode. One, when the guards start getting sick, the Doctor comments that “it’s spreading by air now,” like it wasn’t before. But if the nanogenes were in the air already, why wouldn’t the gas mask “plague” already be spreading by air? Why would people have to be touched by an “infected” person at first? Two, Nancy seems, like, fourteen, maybe fifteen. The fact that she has a 4(?)-year-old son is hard to swallow. But other than that, really, this was a great episode.
Everybody lives! Even Captain Jack! And then TARDIS dancing!
“Boom Town”:
Ah, return of the Slitheens. Well, Slitheen, singular. That scene in the bathroom was very touching: to think, all it takes to reduce “Margaret” to shambles is a reminder that her victims have families too. Very touching. But I’ve got to say, it seems suspicious that absolutely no one recognized her. I mean, we have the Internet: surely some pictures of her during the Downing Street Incident got online, and someone could have put two and two together. Maybe she took them all down, I don’t know, but since it was never said it seems rather convenient that she was able to infiltrate the local government so easily.
Then the Doctor trolls the murderous survivor with his sonic screwdriver, takes her out to dinner, and they discuss whom they’ve killed and whther or not letting one go occasionally makes it “okay.” I’d nearly forgotten that Margaret was a real person at some point. Loved this conversation: character development makes me very happy, and it’s nice to see the Doctor isn’t all good, and Margaret (forget her Slitheen name) isn’t all bad. No one is, really. Oh yeah, and the TARDIS is alive. That’s cool, I suppose.
“She’s an EGG.” That whole thing with Rose was hilarious.
“Bad Wolf”:
Aaaaaaand we’re back on Satellite Five, run by-who else-the Bad Wolf corporation. That’s one of my favorite things some television shows do: they go back and use past plots to build off of. But anyway, Rose is trapped in The Weakest Link, Nine in Big Brother House, and Captain Jack in some makeover show (I want to say it was called Face Off, but I’m not sure), all run by androids. Oh Captain Jack, why must you be so alluring? What possessed you to stuff a mini laser-gun-thing in your butt? Then the Doctor activates his troll powers and escapes.
…Just in time to see Rose killed. I swear, if I had been watching this at home and not in a library on my phone, I would have screamed at the screen. As it was, I just muttered “no no no not Rose no she can’t be dead no no no” and the like. But wait! She’s not dead! She’s…with the Daleks. So as good as dead, really. Also, the Controller is really creepy, which I suppose is a good thing because that’s the effect they were trying to achieve. Hooked in when she was five? Really?
"BUT YOU HAVE NO DEFENSES. NO WEAPONS. NO PLAN."“Yeah. And doesn’t that scare you to death???”
“The Parting of the Ways”:
Oh boy, this was a doozy. So much stuff to talk about. Let’s see…Dalek God. No longer want to cuddle the Daleks. Um, the Doctor likes to randomly switch his personality, especially when dealing with the Daleks. In character, if not entirely helpful. And all these Daleks were created from human cells, whether they like it or not. Disturbing. Also, Lynda-with-a-y seems to be raising some jealousy issues with Rose and her Doctor.
Sending Rose back probably wasn’t the best course of action, but I believe it was the only way the Doctor could see to keep her out of trouble. Problem is, she’s going to find a way back to him, whether he likes it or not. I really liked this episode: it wasn’t my favorite, but it comes very close. This was a great way to show off the relationship between the Doctor and Rose, and how much they would do for one another. Up to and including dying.
David Tennant has really dark eyes. I mean, really almost terrifyingly dark eyes.
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And that concludes Season One! I’ll try to keep going, but the next installment won’t arrive until at least this weekend, if ever.
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in December 18th, 2012 @ 23:59MINOR SPOILERS FOR LONG GAME OKAY MAYBE NOT SO MINOR ANYWAY HERE BE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS LONG GAME DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I actually rather liked Adam, and ended up feeling really sorry for him. I mean, yeah, he ended up almost messing everything up, but… He was given an opportunity to get a future encyclopedia uploaded into his brain. Seriously, that sounds really awesome, doesn’t it? Was it really his fault that everything was alien and not as helpful as it looked?
Also, I sort of felt like he was taken back more because Rose liked him too much for the Doctor’s comfort than because he wasn’t good enough. Which is not a good reason.
It’s been a while since I watched that episode, of course. I’m possibly forgetting details.
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in December 19th, 2012 @ 10:52What made what he did such a bad thing was the fact that he didn’t upload the encyclopedia into his brain, he used his brain-port to transmit that encyclopedia to his parents’ answering machine. He was planning on disseminating that information to the 21st century world. If he’d just been uploading it into his brain, I don’t think the Doctor would have minded as much.
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in December 19th, 2012 @ 11:29Yeah, that was my main problem with him.
That and his personality was kind of obnoxious, in my mind.
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Adeliae
in December 19th, 2012 @ 17:18I must say I like Adam. No, I don’t think he’s a good person. No, I don’t think what he did was right. However, I like his character a lot… I kind of find him to be the right sort of obnoxious. I see your point though.
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in December 19th, 2012 @ 22:25I was willing to forgive him for what he did–I thought at first that he was honestly trying to help, even though he was going about it the wrong way. But then when the Doctor and Rose found him and he tried to shift the blame off of himself…
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Agent Lightning
in December 20th, 2012 @ 14:08Surely such a guy would have seen enough sci-fi television shows to know you can’t do that sort of thing. I felt kind of sorry for him, but at the same time kind of angry at him.
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in December 21st, 2012 @ 13:34Merlin is ending in two episodes!!!
Which means that it’s finally time for the reveal. If they mess it up, I shall abhor BBC for the rest of my life (or until the next Dr Who episode comes out).
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in December 25th, 2012 @ 20:37SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO CHRISTMAS SPECIAL SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO CHRISTMAS SPECIAL SPOILERS ET CETERA ET CETERA ALSO SPOILERS AND MORE SPOILERS
I grabbed the special off some slightly dubious website and watched it with my family this evening. The plot was a bit weak IMO, but the character interaction was pretty awesome. I love Madame Vastra and Jenny so much, and Strax. They should have their own spinoff or something.
Okay. But. Clara/Oswin.
….What.
Seriously, Moffatt, what.
I’m honestly really just longing for a normal companion of the person-you-could-actually-see-on-the-street type who doesn’t have a whole timey-wimey mystery thing attached – that’s the thing I miss most from the RTD era. The RTD-era companions seemed like actual people that you could know, or get to know; Moffatt’s companions are all either models or timey-wimey Super Secret Agent People, and their personalities are a lot less distinct than I would like.
But anyway. Nostalgia aside, what? I thought that I had Oswin figured out, I had this whole big theory which made a decent amount of sense to me, and then along comes the special and all that completely disappears.However. I now have a new theory which also makes a decent amount of sense to me. Oswin was actually Flesh the first two times we met her, and there’s this whole weird Good Man Goes To War thing going on. Which might be a bit repetitive, but it’s the best I can come up with currently. The Doctor is going to keep meeting her different bodies and she’s going to keep dying, and he’s going to have to find her actual self in some big Moffat brainscrew episode. Yes. I think this could work. Maybe.
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Kittymine, OSW
in December 30th, 2012 @ 20:15Oh, I really hope it doesn’t come to a whole Flesh avatars thrice over bit. I mean, they pulled that stunt already in season 6. I have no idea what Moffat’s plan is, but hopefully it is creatively feasible without overusing previous ideas.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 30th, 2012 @ 22:28For my own speculations, I’m almost certain that the Flesh will not make a return. That was a series 6 thing.
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Randomosity101
in December 26th, 2012 @ 15:30SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE SNOWMEN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE SNOWMEN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE SNOWMEN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
OK, first thing’s first: I am so relieved they changed the title sequence again. Now it looks like they’re flying through time and space again, as opposed to just some storm in the Earth’s lower atmosphere.
I really liked this episode. It was hilarious, and Stephan Moffat seemed to finally acknowledge the less-than-desirable aspects of Eleven and various other characters. Like the fact that for an alien super-genius, Eleven is a caking idiot. I also liked the fact that the Sontaran was referred to as a potato. I didn’t expect that particular observation to make it into the show. The storyline of this episode was excellent, I think, considering the premise. There were no lapses or half-baked excuses like in Asylum of the Daleks. Quite a lot in this episode made little or no sense, but it seems to me that that was intentional so that there could be an overarching story for the upcoming season. I really hope The Doctor’s three friends stay throughout the upcoming episodes; I like them.
I also like Clara Oswin. I see that the confusion that all us fans had been put through up until this episode aired was intentional. Actually, after this episode she is my second favorite companion, right after Martha. Though that may change with future episodes. But from what I’ve seen, she’s clever like Martha, more self-actualized than Rose or Amy, but also more forward than any of his previous companions. I can’t wait to see future episodes with her.
Oh, and one more thing: I’m not a fan of the TARDIS’ new interior. It looks like someone ran out of ideas and therefore copied a stereotypical spaceship interior, then decided that wasn’t original enough and so added dartboard-looking-things for a touch of randomness. And then they remembered that this was supposed to be for Doctor Who, so they added some Gallifreyan writing as a decorative element.
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Agent Lightning
in December 26th, 2012 @ 19:11Confession time: I’ve gotten into Avatar: The Last Airbender. I’m not one hundred percent on what the intended age group for that show is, but my younger sisters were watching it, so I figured, what the heck. We’re far into season three at the moment but I still haven’t watched a lot of the episodes. Anyway. Yeah. I like that show.
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Tesseract
in December 26th, 2012 @ 21:27I am in love with that show, and I hadn’t seen more than one or two episodes before this summer. Then I watched the entire thing through in order (I strongly recommend this) with my friend Adam, who had fallen in love with it, and I liked it so much I watched it again to show my sister. It’s beautiful.
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Maths Lover ♥
in December 27th, 2012 @ 00:28I love that show too. I saw 2 mid-season 1 episodes when I was about 10 (I agree with some other fans that “The Great Divide” was one of the worst episodes, and it still helped draw me in. Or maybe 10-year-old me just didn’t have that maturity.), then started watching it with a group of anime-fangirls my friends were or were friendly with in year 10, and ended up watching it all. I’ve also followed Korra, which led to obsessive fangirling. I hope you like the other episodes as much, given that the out-of-order thing could get annoying.
Heh, if I ever have someone who I consider sister-like, who would probably like Avatar and hasn’t seen it, I should get her to watch it with me!
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 30th, 2012 @ 19:26ATLA is actually genuinely awesome. It’s so cute, but it gets dark, too. That’s the magic formula, I suppose!
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Agent Lightning
in December 30th, 2012 @ 20:26Okay I just finished ATLA. If Legend of Korra isn’t up for Netflix streaming, I shall be angry because I don’t do illegal media.
But oh my gosh I just finished the series.
AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER SERIES FINALE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER SERIES FINALE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
First of all even though I have lots of things I watch/read this is the first one where I have FEELS. And SHIPS. I feel like I’ve matured into a higher level of Internet fangirl. I’ve looked around at the general Rest-of-the-internet-which-doesn’t-exist fandom and it doesn’t seem that fantastic but oh my gosh. I just finished the finale. And oh my gosh oh my gosh. All these feels. There are no words. Zuko. Aaahgh. I need to find Antimony and then go sleep on all these feels.
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Tesseract
in December 26th, 2012 @ 21:31I’m almost done with Season 2 of Doctor Who and I do NOT want Rose to leave.
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Adeliae
in January 4th, 2013 @ 13:54I could go on all day about how much I love Rose, not just as a companion, but just as a person, as a character. People complain about how she is so useless with 10, or how stupid the Doctor/companion romance is, and I suppose to some extent I agree with them… Yet despite all that, Rose Tyler never ceases to amaze me.
She is just so… so human.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in December 30th, 2012 @ 12:41AHHH DAT CHRISTMAS SPECIAL
Seriously, this episode rekindled love for Doctor Who. Series 7 consistently fell below my expectations, but this special went above and beyond! It only got waaay too cheesy around twice, I think! That’s like, a record for Matt!
But yeah, the cheesiness came off as charming (as intended) instead of annoying this time! YESSS
And Clara was awesome. Seriously, go watch this episode RIGHT NOW
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Kittymine, OSW
in January 2nd, 2013 @ 09:19AAAHHHH!!! I’ve finished season four of Merlin and have no way to watch season five! I suppose this is alright for the moment, since I need to study for finals, but then what about later? I may have to wait until Netflix picks it up, which could be a while.
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Agent Lightning
in January 2nd, 2013 @ 17:31So actually it turns out a lot of my lunch table watches ATLA! Tuba used to when he was little and Wizard and Sam are both big anime geeks. Fun.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in January 2nd, 2013 @ 23:30inb4 “ATLA isn’t anime”
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Agent Lightning
in January 3rd, 2013 @ 15:35I know ATLA isn’t anime. It was more of a general thing, like Wizard’s just into nerd-dom, and Sam only started watching it because he had completely run out of animes to watch and was looking for something else.
Sorry. Bad phrasing on my part.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in January 6th, 2013 @ 00:00Just finished watching “Asylum of the Daleks” again. It’s better the second time around… Also how Oswin looks directly at the camera on her last line. Just like: “you guys remember me too, ‘kay?”
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Tesseract
in January 17th, 2013 @ 21:52I just finished Season 4 of Doctor Who and I think I am broken forever. Also, SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Rose/Tentoo makes me incredibly sad.
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Randomosity101
in January 18th, 2013 @ 15:07SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SEASON 4 SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER.
Wouldn’t it be Tentwo?
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Armada
in April 2nd, 2013 @ 19:39SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER I GUESS IT’S NOT MUCH OF A SPOILER BUT WHATEVER I FIGURE A SPOILER WARNING MIGHT NOT BE OUT OF ORDER
See, I thought that too, but… he is also the Tenth Doctor. Ten also, Ten too?
…Or I think that’s the logic, anyway.
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Randomosity101
in April 3rd, 2013 @ 11:15SPOILER SPOILER DOCTOR WHO SPOILER I GUESS IT’S NOT MUCH OF A SPOILER BUT WHATEVER I FIGURE A SPOILER WARNING MIGHT NOT BE OUT OF ORDER
So, does that mean they’re both correct? Because your logic does make sense.
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Armada
in April 3rd, 2013 @ 12:58SPOILER SPOILER POSSIBLE DOCTOR WHO SPOILER IF YOU SQUINT REALLY HARD OR SOMETHING I GUESS MAYBE IT COULD BE A VAGUELY SPOILERISH THING
Yeah, I think either one would be equally valid. Some people call him Handy, too.
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Choklit Orange
in April 2nd, 2013 @ 23:54SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS AHEAD SPOILERS SPOILERS EXTERMINATE SPOILERS SPOILERS EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS
I know, right? Are you watching the 2009 specials now? I think after The Stolen Earth I stopped being able to get through an episode without crying.
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LittleBasementKitten
in January 25th, 2013 @ 17:00So I just finished Season 2 of Doctor Who and
i think my heart is broken forever
gosh darn it
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Randomosity101
in January 26th, 2013 @ 10:11Yeah, that was a very emotional episode.
If it’s any comfort (and it probably won’t be), once you see his next companion, you’ll wonder why you ever even glanced at Rose.
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Paul Baker (Administrator)
in January 26th, 2013 @ 04:56If anyone wants the ultimate British geek show, and if it’s available in the States – “Sapphire and Steel”. It was shown between 1979 and 1982. It’s weird, claustrophobic and seriously creepy.
The few fortunates who have visited Kingswinford and experienced a Night at Liz’s will know what I mean.
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KaiYves
in July 4th, 2013 @ 14:13I ended up on the Wikipedia page for that while researching something else, and it does indeed sound strange.
Also, man, David McCallum has played some awesome characters– a Titanic survivor, a superspy, an invisible secret agent, a… superpowered alien(?) investigator guy, and now an amazingly funny genius medical examiner. That’s a cool career.
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Paul Baker (Administrator)
in July 6th, 2013 @ 11:53Yep. He’s one of those actors who never turn into big stars, but just keep working.
if you do manage to locate Sapphire and Steel, watch the episodes set in a disused railway station. That’s the creepiest story of the lot.
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KaiYves
in July 6th, 2013 @ 19:47He’s one of those actors where the “if all his characters fought, who would win?” scenario is really interesting to imagine.
On a similar note, I found a biography of Peter Cushing at the library and read it because I was familiar with him from Star Wars. Holy cake, not only did he blow up a planet, but he also was Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Frankenstein, killed dozens of vampires, fought the mummy, AND found the Yeti.
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shadowfire
in July 7th, 2013 @ 00:39It’s available on Netflix (though not instantly) if you have it. I intend to watch it soon.
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LittleBasementKitten
in February 6th, 2013 @ 14:12Am considering giving a plushie Dalek to my math teacher as an end-of-the-year present. he already has a Chewbacca on his desk, so I thought a Dalek would be cute to go along with it.
Good/Bad idea?
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Randomosity101
in February 6th, 2013 @ 17:15Neither. Flamablamablous idea.
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shadowfire
in February 7th, 2013 @ 01:15Brilliant idea.
My science teacher has a plush tribble that wiggles and makes the tribble noise if you press a button and it is basically the best thing ever.
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Maths Lover ♥
in February 7th, 2013 @ 15:19Flammy! One of my physics teacher’s students travelled to Germany the year after she finished school, and sent him a bobble-head thingy Einstein on a perfect-for-Hooke’s-law-experiments spring.
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shadowfire
in February 7th, 2013 @ 01:16Is anyone else watching Elementary? I was a little bit skeptical at first and then I watched the pilot and fell in love.
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LittleBasementKitten
in February 7th, 2013 @ 04:44I do! I absolutely love it. They do a very good job of working in Irene and Moriarty, in my opinion.
And Captain Gregson has extremely pretty eyes.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in February 7th, 2013 @ 13:57I know this is narrow-minded but I refuse to watch it; I just don’t believe in a woman as Watson. Also, it’s pointless for them to pretend they came up with the idea of modernising the Holmes stories and bringing them into the 21st century.
I’m glad you enjoy it, though.
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shadowfire
in February 9th, 2013 @ 11:24Could I ask why you don’t believe in a female Watson? I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just kind of curious.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in February 9th, 2013 @ 12:59You could say I should at least watch the show before judging, and you’d probably be right. But I just think it changes the entire nature of the relationship between Watson and Holmes. I’m sure Lucy Liu plays the role that’s been written for her well, but maybe I’m too much of a Sherlock purist. Holmes ‘has an aversion to women’: ‘I am not a whole-souled admirer of womankind’; ‘the motives of women are so inscrutable…How can you build on such quicksand? Whether it should or not, the gender makes a difference (to me at least).
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shadowfire
in February 9th, 2013 @ 13:48I have to say, I was skeptical about the exact same thing before watching it. I was worried they were making Watson female to facilitate a relationship between them (Holmes/Watson being one of the things I ship with all my heart but never ever want to see made canon), an I just really didn’t think their dynamic could work. But Lucy Liu’s Watson is honestly one of my favorite parts of the show. She plays off Holmes wonderfully, and the show does acknowledge Holmes’s occasionally sexist tendencies, but having a female Watson means they actually get addressed. So I think they’ve pulled it off very well.
I’m not going to order you to watch it or anything, but it comes with my wholehearted recommendation should you change your mind.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in February 9th, 2013 @ 16:15That is very interesting. I am a little reluctant to involve myself in another TV-show trap but if I ever change my mind about this whole thing, I will definitely remember your recommendation (which was very reasonably supported). It’s nice to be able to disagree in such a civil way without descending into a flame war, is it not?
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shadowfire
in February 9th, 2013 @ 16:56You know, I was just thinking that. I like that this blog exists.
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ZNZ
in February 9th, 2013 @ 15:51Are they pretending they came up with the idea of modernizing Holmes? Even if they are, it’s just as pointless for Moffat to pretend he did (and I do find Moffat’s habit of acting as though he owns everything to do with Sherlock Holmes really irritating); that basic idea was already being done in the forties with the Rathbone films. You don’t need to have invented a concept in order to tell a good story with it, and if Elementary is telling a different story from Sherlock, which they seem to be, where’s the harm?
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in February 9th, 2013 @ 16:21Sorry, I wasn’t meaning to say that they were actively implying it. Of course Moffat’s is not the first adaptation of the Conan Doyle stories (which I still hold as paramount). I am also not saying there is any ‘harm’ (as you put it) in Elementary existing; I am perfectly happy for the world to watch and enjoy it.
I suppose I am simply cynical of it being a coincidence – the fact of there being two modern-day versions of Holmes at the same time, I mean. I am sure lots of people disagree vehemently with me, and that’s all right – I’m not trying to manically convince others to boycott Elementary.
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Lizzie
in February 9th, 2013 @ 12:14I’ve only watched the first episode so far, but I love it. It’s so much better than Sherlock, in my opinion. I think Sherlock has the same problem as Season Six of Doctor Who did, in that Moffett is basically in love with the character and writing everyone around him as worshiping everything he does, even though he’s a complete jerk and really unrealistic / unrelatable. And then we get the whole “wah I’m too big for my own good I’m such a tragic victim”… it’s just annoying. Plus the length of the episodes allows them to get WAY too self-indulgent.
Elementary, on the other hand, so far is really good. I like the characterization they’ve done, I like that they’re not just taking the books and setting them in the 20th century but are actually thinking about what the characters would be like if they were now, I like that Watson seems to actually be the main character and is actually important instead of just being the stand-in for the audience… And I really, really like that she calls Sherlock out on his bullcake.
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Choklit Orange
in February 9th, 2013 @ 12:37I just started! I love it, though I’m not sure if I can withstand being in two different Sherlock fandoms simultaneously (a never-ending emotional rollercoaster!).
On the whole, I think I still like the BBC one better, mostly because I can’t get accustomed to Holmes being as human-ish as he is in Elementary. But Joan Watson is very cool.
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Luna the Lovely
in April 3rd, 2013 @ 01:36Guess I’m in the minority here, then. I watched the pilot and found it absolutely terrible and have no interest in watching it further. (BBC’s Sherlock, on the other hand, I absolutely love)
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 21st, 2013 @ 18:02So uh. There is a crack on my ceiling that is basically the exact shape as the Crack in Season 5 of Doctor Who. It’s a bit…unnerving how similar the two look. I just pulled up some screenshots and am comparing the two right now. I just looked up at my ceiling and there it was. I’ve seen it before, but I didn’t really make the connection….
If I disappear for a long period of time assume the crack ate me.
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Randomosity101
in February 22nd, 2013 @ 06:41COUNT THE DOORS.
Actually, if the crack eats you, won’t you have never posted on MB at all? As long as I can remember that you exist, I’ll assume you haven’t been eaten.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in February 22nd, 2013 @ 16:16Oh my God thank you for making this ten times worse. When I eventually disappear from reality nobody will even notice.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in February 22nd, 2013 @ 19:13Well apparently it’s affected by whether you’re “in our timeline” or not. So if you’ve had a profound effect on our lives, it’ll be harder to remember you if you go.
So which is better–for you to have affected someone and be forgotten by them, or to be remembered for not doing much?
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Choklit Orange
in March 2nd, 2013 @ 15:35I won’t make the inevitable Donna joke here because I might cry.
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KaiYves
in February 22nd, 2013 @ 20:04You’re not going to disappear.
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the person that is very fond of guavas
in February 25th, 2013 @ 18:46IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO NEVER HAVE EXISTED IF YOU ARE EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
I really hoped the CAPSlock helped you feel better
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someone who likes making jokes
in February 25th, 2013 @ 19:07how many times has your name changed?
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Agent Lightning
in February 26th, 2013 @ 05:30It’s a reference to Doctor Who: it’s all very wibbly wobbly, timey wimey. I’m sure you know the feeling.
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Always Bring a Bananna to a Party
in March 2nd, 2013 @ 11:05I never intended my name to reincarnate, but oops. If I’m going to be stuck with one name, it probably should be good.
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Randomosity101
in February 25th, 2013 @ 19:03I didn’t mean to make it worse, sorry!
But look. How long has that crack been there? If it was going to eat you, it probably would have already. Oh yeah, and does it glow? The dangerous cracks all glow. And you can hear voices through most of them.
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Choklit Orange
in March 25th, 2013 @ 22:20Any madcap theories about Clara Oswald? I’d like to hear them all (before the 30th).
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in March 29th, 2013 @ 18:24While doing some reconnaissance of the iTunes series 7 page I came across a small prequel-type-thing I hadn’t seen before. It’s called Demon’s Run: Two Days Later.
Apparently Strax never died, he just fainted. Well, good enough for me.
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Randomosity101
in March 30th, 2013 @ 22:12SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
grtihhutfpgihoublnjpbtg9fithlkngr;pofiohbgnlrk;mqepihgbkjnfkjipeoquy WHY Stephen Moffat, why the CAKE?! Why would you do that?!? JUST when I thought I might finally be starting to warm up to Eleven due entirely to him making fun of himself, he HAS to turn out to be a CakingObssesiveCakingOverprotectiveCakingMoronicCakingTotalCakingStalkerCakingCreepyCakingCakeheadWhoCakingActsLikeCakingEdwardCakingCullen!!!!!! I almost couldn’t watch past the beginning of the episode!
I did though. Clara’s cool as ever, but her technological ineptitude was a bit surprising, considering the hacking prowess she displayed as a dalek. What was even more surprising was her apparent inability to even begin to try to figure it out for herself, if by no other method than clicking on things.
I didn’t expect the ending, though it came as no real surprise. It was an “intelligence” after all, and we’d already seen that it could grow from and influence minds. I just had a vague feeling of “Oh no, not you again.” because that particular villain was kind of annoying. Not terribly so, though.
I do still look forward to the upcoming episodes, provided The Doctor doesn’t act like a total r4eklrhpjrghpR4EIOP90TG8YUrthreohejgpoeiouig987U9Y87TI9GOH again.
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Choklit Orange
in March 31st, 2013 @ 02:35SPOILERS AHEAD THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS MANY SPOILERS BEWARE THE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS *River Song voice* SPOILERS
I really liked “The Bells of St. John”! I mean, it was somewhat less substantive than I had imagined, and I think I was expecting something sort of darker and more mysterious (and more… story-y), especially given all the excitement that the BBC stirred up around it (okay, it was BBC America, and I’m pretty sure that’s only half Actual-BBC).
But I love Clara! I’m pretty sure her mug did not contain tea, but even so, she did an amazing job of keeping it upright through all of that. I mean, she’s smart, and I really like that. And the fact that she actually made the Doctor come back for her- his companions are often way too quick to run away with him; I would, if I had the chance, but I like the idea of a companion being independent and also thinking it through (and being more reasonably cautious about a strange man dressed as a monk at their door).
Anyway, the plot! It was simpler than usual (more kid-friendly too; I keep forgetting that DW is technically a children’s show, and I think they’re trying to dial back the death and violence a bit). That did allow me to notice some of the little Moffat things I sometimes miss: the children’s book by Amelia Williams, the “Chapter 11- I cried” bit, and so forth. Not sure I’m a big fan of the Spoonheads, or the Great Intelligence; one of the (many) things I miss about the Tenth Doctor is the fact that while there were definitely story arcs, they were more abstract and much less omnipresent for most of the season, so an episode could be an unconnected Crazy Adventure without a big reveal about the Silence (I love Eleven, but not his monsters so much).
If I may ask, why did you find the Doctor creepy/overprotective/stalkery in this episode? If I couldn’t find a friend, I’d search for her and try to protect her, too.
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Randomosity101
in March 31st, 2013 @ 15:35SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
Oh yeah, I really liked Clara and I was inordinately glad that she made The Doctor “come back tomorrow”, even more glad than I was when she locked him out for being an overeager stranger in a monk’s habit.
Yes, I know The Doctor wants to protect Clara. Of COURSE he does. But there’s a difference between making sure someone’s safe and invading their house, getting in their face, refusing to leave them alone, going through the books on their bedroom shelves, etc. I mean, I realize that one of the many things Eleven fails at utterly is subtlety, but he could at least try. And I can’t believe he was so stupid he didn’t realize she wouldn’t remember him. She didn’t remember him the second time they met! Not to mention the whole pantomime with the flowers and the cookies. Disgusting. I can understand him setting it up to look like she fell asleep, but the only part of it that really made any sense was the glass of water. If she didn’t usually go to sleep with a vase of flowers next to her bed, waking up with one makes it obvious that he was in her house. And who dumps out a whole box of cookies onto a plate and only takes one bite, hmm?
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in March 31st, 2013 @ 17:11SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
To be completely honest, I just found this episode boring – neither strongly positive or negative feelings. It was basically the Idiot’s Lantern all over again, and I’m kind of tired of the way Moffat writes women – Clara is the same as Amy is the same as River nowadays is the same as Sally Sparrow etc.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in March 31st, 2013 @ 01:56Big news y’all, although you have no doubt already heard.
David Tennant.
Billie Piper.
John Hurt.The 50th will be AMAZING.
One of my friends came back from spring break and we spent five minutes incoherently yelling. Our hopes and dreams are starting to become reality!
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Luna the Lovely
in March 31st, 2013 @ 07:40I could do without Billie piper. Rose want bad, but her coming back over and over and over has been overdone in my opinion. I’d rather have captain jack or Donna for a tenth companion, or Amy and rory (and still captain jack too) even though they weren’t tenth companions…..
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Luna the Lovely
in March 31st, 2013 @ 23:57*wasn’t. I really need to start proofreading things written on my ipod.
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muselover
in March 31st, 2013 @ 10:09The Doctor.
The Companion.
And the…Dragon, I guess.
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Choklit Orange
in April 2nd, 2013 @ 01:06I’m so excited over this.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SERIES 2 AND 4 SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOOMSDAY AND JOURNEY’S END SPOILERS OHHH THE SPOILERS
So, I’m predicting that it’s going to be Rose and Tenth-Doctor-Clone from the parallel dimension? I agree with Luna that Rose’s returns have been kind of overused (although I think they needed to do it in Journey’s End to make her situation less tragic, because the Doomsday ending was just really harsh), so that’s the only way I can imagine it working without Doctor-and-Rose-reuniting becoming really, really old.
But yeah, I’ve been wanting this since Ten regenerated, although I suppose it’ll be kind of miserable to know that it’s almost certainly the last time we’ll see him (okay, I know there’s no almost-certainly because Wibbly Moffatty and all, but still).
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Choklit Orange
in March 31st, 2013 @ 02:48I need to take a minute to discuss how beautiful the cinematography is in Eleventh Doctor episodes. I’ve been rewatching Tenth Doctor episodes and the difference is really noticeable; the first four series were shot much more realistically and everything looks a lot harder and less pretty
although Ten’s face makes up for that. That’s not to say that the camerawork in the previous serieses was at all bad; they still look amazing, especially the action scenes and the special effects, and the inside of the TARDIS. But Eleventh Doctor episodes just look somehow magical! I’m trying to work out what it is; definitely a lot is to do with color schemes, which are sort of muted and also really atmospheric, but the lighting is softer than before and it does a really good job of transporting you to wherever and whenever the episode takes place.(I’ll shut up now. I just needed to babble about how gorgeous the newer serieses look.)
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in March 31st, 2013 @ 13:10Perhaps the magic of *puts on booming voice* HD…..
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LittleBasementKitten
in March 31st, 2013 @ 15:15Listening to “I Am The Doctor” and various remixes of it on YouTube makes me feel…important.
Haven’t felt like this in a while. It’s awesome (in the traditional “awe-inspiring” sense of the word).
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Choklit Orange
in March 31st, 2013 @ 16:38Mmph, yes! I’m assembling a playlist of heroic music for the Music thread, and Doctor Who soundtracks feature prominently. Try “This is Gallifrey: Our Childhood, Our Home”; really sad, as the title suggests, but also really dramatically awesome.
Yesterday I was cleaning while listening to music, and my Return of the King playlist started up. Scrubbing a bathtub has never felt so glorious.
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in March 31st, 2013 @ 17:07Oh, I remember that tune! Can’t remember which episode it was, but it is indeed very epic.
I remember once, when I was raking leaves, this blend of the Skyrim/Pirates of the Caribbean theme songs started playing on my iPod. All of a sudden, it felt like the fate of the universe rested on me getting those leaves into a pile.
Also, you’re making a list of heroic music? Sounds flammy, can’t wait!
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Luna the Lovely
in April 1st, 2013 @ 00:04SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I’m not sure how I feel. I like Eleven, but…..I dunno. I’m not too sure how I’ve felt about the direction/storyline/I’m-not-even-quite-sure-what since Moffat took over. It’s such a different feel, and maybe I’m just a bit slow, but half the time I feel like it requires way too much thinking to try and follow some of the plotlines anymores (and I have to do way too much thinking in my academic life to really want to do it in my television life).
And Clara….I dont’ know, she’s just kind of….blah. It’s all “let’s just make not so subtle sexual jokes at the Doctor and be all flirty”, and whatever happened to the Doctor technically being married? Not even a mention of it when he made no objection to snogging Clara in the Christmas special….
I suppose perhaps I just miss Amy and Rory, because despite the fact that there is so much Amy hate, I actually really like her, and Rory was just absolutely wonderful. And the two together…So I’m reserving final judgement on Clara, since she is still so new, but I feel like there needs to be some character development (and not just revealing the mystery surrounding her), because right now she seems very static
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in April 3rd, 2013 @ 14:33SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO THE BELLS OF SAINT JOHN SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I was not very pleased with this episode. I didn’t find the plot so terribly interesting; it was pretty meh, I guess, and I just don’t like Clara. Her constant flirtations with the Doctor are just annoying and somewhat over the top. Aside from that, I keep getting the feeling that Moffat is relying on her to be interesting because of her mysterious past/situation/whatever instead of her character. I suppose it’s unfair to compare her to past companions, but after two episodes of Donna- or Rose, or Martha, or Amy- I had a much stronger sense of who they were and what they cared about. Clara just… meh.
I didn’t really find the Doctor’s whole setup creepy- it was sort of cute, like he felt he was protecting her or something*, but completely clashed with her not-even-trying-to-be-subtle jokes. I agree with Luna- the Doctor’s supposed to be married, right?
*Which would’ve worked well with Clara being all I-can-hack-into-anything-and-take-care-of-myself etc… Except she decided to spend the rest of her screen time hitting on the Doctor and not even pretending that she had any tea in that cup.
Ah well, maybe she’ll get better.
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Armada
in April 7th, 2013 @ 13:17SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS THE RINGS OF AKHATENN OR WHATEVER SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERY SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS ET CETERA ET CETERA AND SO ON ALSO PROBABLY A QUITE LONG POST AHEAD SO YEAH SPOILERS
….Oookay. Wow. I have to say I actually really, really, really liked this episode. I’ve been feeling kind of ‘meh’ about DW’s 7th series in general and especially ‘meh’ about Clara (I liked her first version okay, hated her second, and don’t quite understand her third), but this episode definitely did things for me that the new DW episodes haven’t done for a while. I loved the setting and scenery – I’m a sucker for alien bazaar settings with tons of bright colors and enormous prosthetics budgets – and the pretty cinematography with all the silhouettes, and the music. Actually I think my favorite part of Series 7 might end up being the music; I’m an avid fan of Murray Gold’s soundtracks, and the Eleventh Doctor’s first two seasons didn’t have all that much appeal for me musically, but this season has a lot of really great soundtracks and this episode’s lullaby song was almost as pretty as Song of Freedom.
Clara’s still not ringing quite true for me, she has none of that ‘real-actual-person-off-the-street’ quality that Ten’s companions did and I am not going to be pleased if she turns out to be yet another woman who just wants to snog the Doctor, but her personality is definitely beginning to develop and I am happy about that. I thought her/her parents’ backstory was quite sweet, with the leaf and all (let’s just pretend that it wasn’t a totally different species of leaf because apparently the props department lost the first one or something), and her refusal to be the ghost of someone else was probably her most likable moment so far for me.
I’m not sure what it is with the Doctor, but since the Christmas special he’s kind of giving off a subtly… off signal to me. Maybe it’s Matt Smith being brilliant and showing the character development gap which happened since Angels in Manhattan, or maybe it’s just the script or something, but he doesn’t feel quite like the Eleven we know and love to me. That said, though, his monologue in this episode was brilliant, and I cried a bit at the ‘all the days that never came’ bit.
I think the only way I would have liked the episode more is if Clara’s “rescuing” of the Doctor had been an actual rescue rather than just an ‘oh, I’m here to help too’ kind of thing. I really miss the way Davies-era companions were actually allowed to save the day and the Doctor themselves rather than just being moral support, and to me at least it seems like it would have been logical for the Doctor to need rescuing after having his soul eaten by a smiley Satan planet. It’s moments like this where I’m reminded that I am apparently watching a children’s show, because Moffat always pulls his plot punches just before they have any real emotional impact. I don’t know about other people, but I personally kind of like crying my eyes out over TV shows once in a while and not having my process interrupted by the characters I’m crying over popping up again and going “Oh, actually, I’m fine, let’s continue with the show!”(I did say this was going to be a long post. I have much less of an extra-fandom life than is probably healthy for me.)
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Always Bring A Banana to a Party
in April 7th, 2013 @ 17:20Where else besides Netflix can I find Doctor Who?
Also, my dishwasher makes a TARDIS noise.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician
in April 21st, 2013 @ 16:32If you have an amazon prime account, it’s free to stream from there.
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Luna the Lovely
in April 13th, 2013 @ 17:35Just watched Doctor Who “Cold War”, spoiler free thoughts below.
So I actually liked this episode, which is really kind of surprising (and it’s sad that it’s actually surprising when I like a Who episode anymore). I enjoyed it. I even like Clara alright in it. And it was nice, it’s been awhile since I really actually *liked* a Doctor Who episode. I just ahven’t been into Moffat’s run on the show that much. But this one kind of put me in mind of the Classic Series, kind of had a classic series feel, and I like that. The last episode I actually remember thinking “Hey, I like this” was Asylum of the Dalek’s. The rest of this season has just kind of been a bit of a letdown for me.
But yeah. This one was good.
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in April 14th, 2013 @ 12:28I just jumped on the Avatar: The Last Airbender bandwagon. I’ve only seen a few episodes so far, but it’s really good! I’m impressed.
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Errata
in April 15th, 2013 @ 00:04SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SEASON 7 MOSTLY SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FOLLOW BEWARE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
Over the last week or so, I finally got around to watching all of season 7. I’m not sure why it took me so long. Maybe because I didn’t, overall, much like season 6.
No such problem here. It seems like most of you are disappointed, but frankly, I loved pretty much every second. It felt so much more like a return to season 5, which will probably always be my favorite, with actual development in characters and relationships and a sort of less creepy feel.
I could probably babble on about this for a while, but instead I’m just going to ask whether anybody else has noticed the paralells between the most recent three episodes and the first three in season 5? I find them some combination of really cool and slightly hilarious.
First episode: Eleventh Hour/Bells of Saint John. Set in the new companion’s time and place. The new companion is threatened and incapacitated, and the Doctor saves the day through clever use of technology.
Second: Beast Below/Rings of Akhaten. The new companion wants to see something really cool, so the Doctor takes her to an advanced civilization in space. The companion saves the day because she understands the threat better than the Doctor does.
Third: Victory of the Daleks/Cold War. A historical episode. An old enemy resurfaces and the world is saved by the companion’s empathy.
There’s other paralells, but they mostly feel like coincidental details, as opposed to actual parallel narrative structure. I’m trying to figure out whether this is a deliberate bookends sort of senario, or whether it’s the logical introduction new companion, and they didn’t notice the similarities.
I’m leaning towards the second optiion, since Rose’s first two episodes also match up pretty well with this. Less so, but still a bit. I can’t remember about Rose’s third episode, nor any other companions.
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Luna the Lovely
in April 15th, 2013 @ 01:18SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SEASON 7 MOSTLY SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FOLLOW BEWARE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SEASON 7 MOSTLY SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FOLLOW BEWARE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
Maybe that’s part of why I don’t like it (being similar to season 5). I haven’t been really into Doctor Who (as far as the current stories) since Moffat took over, and I don’t know why. I just haven’t been enjoying it as much.
Bells of St John I disliked because it was Idiot’s Lantern all over again, and I never really cared much for that story, any of the four times I watched it. So Bells of St john was like watching Idiot’s Lantern for the 5th time, and, well, kind of an underwhelming continuation of the season for me. And I just couldn’t really care much for Clara in it. Her whole Doctor flirty thing was just bugging me for some reason. (And I don’t know why, because with Amy and River it didn’t really).
And Cold War is nothing like Victory of the Daleks. I mean, for one thing, Cold War was actually good. Victory of the Daleks was….sort of rubbish, honestly.
As for a parallel: Well, every new companion in New Who has started with a present day “companion in peril” plot (Rose and the autons, Martha and the Judoon (spelling?) on the moon, Donna and the Racnoss/evil fiance (alternatively Donna and the adipose), Amy and Prisoner zero), with the next two episodes being a trip to the future and a trip to the past (although not always future first)
Rose’s second episode was to the future: trip to the future to watch the Earth get destroyed
Amy’s second was to the future for Beast below
Clara’s second episode (or second as this reincarnation): Akhaten
Martha and Donna’s second eps were to the past: Shakespeare and Pompeii, respectively.
Third eps for Rose, Amy, and Clara were to the past (Unquiet Dead w/ the Gelth, WWII w/ Churchill and the Ironsides (and the unforgiveable iDaleks), and Cold War).
Martha and Donna went to the future second (Gridlock on New^15 Earth, and Planet of the Ood).
I think it’s just the way they’ve taken to introducing the time and space concept: A visit to the past on your own planet, and a visit to the future on a foreign planet/space ship. With a bit of variety in which order they do it. It’s fallen into a repetitive pattern.
Where are the companions from the past, from the future, from different planets? The days where the companion didn’t have some bizarre mystery about them, and was just along for the fun, or who didn’t even intend to tag along in the first place and spends their time w/ the Doctor trying to return home? Or another companion who is actually a spy for one of the Doctor’s enemies?
Or even just another male companion. Spice it up a bit, make it more like Classic Who. Because Classic Who was wonderful and amazing, and Moffat’s era just leaves me wanting something more in comparison. It’s missing something, and I’m not sure what. It just…I dunno. It’s lacking, somehow.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician
in April 15th, 2013 @ 04:14I am liking 7b mostly because of Clara. And it does feel like a return to season five because it’s not taking itself super seriously. Which is so great.
Clara doesn’t have a lot of personality yet, though, which is a bit worrying. But at least she’s not Amy. Huzzah.
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in April 20th, 2013 @ 17:34I like this week’s episode of Doctor Who, as well. I was a bit worried about whether I would from the trailers, but I enjoyed it. Definitely one to watch in a super dark room, for maximum scare factor. I’d say it’s probably for me the scariest episode of all of Doctor Who, with Almost People/Rebel Flesh being the only other two that have really had any scare factor for me at all.
But yeah, I liked it. Which is good. That makes 2 episodes in a row that I’ve actually liked, which is a pleasant change of pace. And next week should hopefully be really good, given that Gaiman’s last episode was super awesome (Doctor’s Wife).
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Randomosity101
in April 20th, 2013 @ 20:13Um, I don’t think that episode is going to air next week. “Nightmare in Silver” is three episodes from now.
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Luna the Lovely
in April 20th, 2013 @ 22:58Whoops, my bad. For some reason I was under the impression that Journey to the Center of the TARDIS was Gaiman’s episode, which does air next week. But you’re right, that’s not his episode….
Well, it still looks like it could be a good episode.
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in April 21st, 2013 @ 10:28I agree I look forward to it also.
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Randomosity101
in April 21st, 2013 @ 10:29SFTDP. I apologize for the accidental lack of punctuation after the word “agree”.
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Luna the Lovely
in April 27th, 2013 @ 19:38Watched Journey tot he Center of the TARDIS. Thought it was going to be better than it was. Turned out to be rather meh, and I can’t say I cared for the ending.
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in April 27th, 2013 @ 20:17Really liked journey to the center – i think it’s the first episode this season that I’ve actually been interested in. It was kind of what I wish the tardis scenes could have been in neil gaiman’s episode with amy / rory / house
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in May 4th, 2013 @ 16:05Wow, that was…..a terrible episode. Hard to believe it was written by the same person as “Cold War”, which was the best episode of 7b. Heck, it’s hard to even believe it was written by the same guy as “Rings of Akhaten”, because even though I didn’t care for it that much, it was passable. The first 15-20 minutes of this one are just pretty much beyond ridiculous, and the unnecessary overly in your face slapstick humor is just stupid, imo.
So yeah, not impressed at all.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 4th, 2013 @ 16:18Wait, sorry, my bad. It was Hide and Akhaten that had the same author, not Cold War and Akhaten. That actually makes a lot more sense now that I do research before posting off my faulty memory.
This week was a Gatiss episode, and his Who episodes usually kind of stink, with Cold War being a huge exception.
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in May 4th, 2013 @ 17:22Well, I’ll probably like it then as it seems we have almost opposite taste in Who episodes.
Not quite opposite; we both approved of “Rings of Akhaten,” though if I remember correctly, you had reservations about the ending, which I thought was perfect.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 4th, 2013 @ 18:09I think you may be mixing up “Rings” and “Hide”. I really liked “Hide” but wasn’t keen on the ending, but “Rings of Akhaten” while I didn’t hate by any means, didn’t really pull me in.
I hope you do like the episode, though.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in May 4th, 2013 @ 19:21Ah, that’s right. I shouldn’t have relied on memory. But same comment, with corrected title. “Rings” is one of my favorites this season.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician
in May 4th, 2013 @ 19:41“Rings” was altogether average for me, but this one guy in my dorm stopped by while we were watching it in the lounge and he was really impressed by it. Yay for different tastes!
Speaking of Doctor Who, I’m three episodes behind now.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 4th, 2013 @ 20:49No worries, especially given I just did essentially the same thing, when relying on memory about who wrote this weeks episode.
I can barely remember what I did a couple days ago, much less what someone else said about a TV show a week or more ago……
I’m hoping I’ll like the season better on rewatch, but it’ll be awhile until that happens (probably after I get it on DVD and when I get mom caught up to there….We watched through the end of season 3 at Christmas).
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Luna the Lovely
in May 5th, 2013 @ 03:14I’d be curious to hear what you thought of “Crimson Horror”. (Provided you’ve watched it yet, which may of course not be the case…..)
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in May 5th, 2013 @ 11:09Haven’t seen it yet; I get it from Amazon.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 5th, 2013 @ 11:18Gotcha, I wasn’t sure. Well, after you’ve seen it then, I’d be curious.
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in May 4th, 2013 @ 16:36And next week’s episode preview didn’t look promising to me….
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in May 5th, 2013 @ 12:21SPOILERS SPOILERS THE CRIMSON HORROR SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.
Well… That was certainly… interesting. Surprisingly, I think I liked it. And yes, that is clearly partly because of Madame Vastra, Miss Jenny, and the Sontaran whose name I can never remember, but that was not all. There was a certain… psychological aspect to it which I liked. When I saw the preview, I prepared to be disgusted by the ineptitude I expected it would have. Especially the bit where the blind woman slowly turns to face the camera. It seemed reminiscent of those old Halloween party tricks that toddlers find unimaginative and boring. But when I saw the actual episode I discovered that there was a reason for it and that it wasn’t meant to frighten the viewers. I liked how there was a non-human semi-antagonist but the real enemy was a ruthless old woman who puts words into the mouth of a voiceless parasite. There was also the aspect of the sweet, obedient, blind daughter pushed to such extremes that she discovers a latent capacity for aggression. I kept thinking that she would die. I was glad she didn’t. I also liked the ending.
I am not certain how I feel about the preview of “Nightmare in Silver”.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 5th, 2013 @ 14:01SPOILERS SPOILERS THE CRIMSON HORROR SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS THE CRIMSON HORROR SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERSSPOILERS SPOILERS THE CRIMSON HORROR SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS
I actually have found I don’t care for the trio that much. I think mainly because they seem to have added them solely for over the top in your face comic relief, and that’s a brand of comedy I’ve honestly never cared for. It’s like they’re trying too hard to be funny, and it’s just….meh.
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in May 5th, 2013 @ 15:32Yes, I’ve noticed you felt that way about them.
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Choklit Orange
in May 5th, 2013 @ 17:52Help, I think I’m starting to have Moffat issues, and I really didn’t want that…
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Randomosity101
in May 6th, 2013 @ 16:19Unfortunately, sometimes such things can’t be helped. *sympathy squids*
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Choklit Orange
in May 6th, 2013 @ 17:46The thing is that I respect his writing because it’s really good, even if I liked RTD’s better. And he is the man who gave us “wibbly wobbly, timey wimey.”
But I wish he’d stop adding so much magic-type stuff to the show (you can bring anyone back through time by remembering, paradoxes are totally cool, etc.); a lot of it seems to get justified in ways that are a) beyond me and/or b) not logical.
Anyway. He’s still a genius in my eyes, but.
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Lizzie
in May 6th, 2013 @ 19:28His writing is good if you ignore the plots (namely, the fact that he attempts to distract you from the fact that there isn’t a coherent one), or ignore the fact that he has one way of writing female characters and that that one way is through and for the audience of the male gaze.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 6th, 2013 @ 23:07And that’s the thing (or one of the things), as silly as some of RTD’s stories were, at least I could sit down and follow it without having to think or struggle to follow it like I feel like I have to do all too often with some of Moffat’s storylines, because the plot actually made sense.
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Choklit Orange
in May 7th, 2013 @ 00:13I like the complicatedness of the plots, although I wish, again, that they didn’t involve paradoxes (probably I missed something that everyone else did, but I thought paradoxes were impossible and/or the TARDIS would reject them). I don’t like the introduction of elements that aren’t logically justified in the show; I mean, it’s a show about time travel; I would think that if you started using magic/The Power of Love/memory, it would make it a lot less fun.
Lizzie- I find his female characters (well, Amy and River, at least) pretty compelling. What do you not like about the way they’re written?
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in May 7th, 2013 @ 00:14*something that everyone else didn’t miss, that is.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician
in May 7th, 2013 @ 00:55All three prominent females thus far (Amy, River, and Clara) are constantly flirtatious. For me, it gets really, really annoying. And all three also have dumb nicknames for the Doctor that they keep using over and over and it doesn’t add anything at all, especially after the sixth one.
I was hoping that Clara would be different from Amy because, surprise surprise, I don’t like her, but from the looks of things she’s just Amy but toned down a bit. So here’s what I think–Moffat’s great at one-off episodes with established characters. RTD’s great at making those characters.
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Lizzie
in May 7th, 2013 @ 07:28CO- All of his female characters are the same character. there’s a lot written about moffat and female characters on the internet, and most of it is a lot better put than I could write. I’m going to quote from a tumblr post titled “the natural life-cycle of the Moffat female” (cutting out their examples to save room) (ugh sometimes I wish we could link to things because this is going to be a major textdump, but it’s really well written):
The Girl – innocent and sweet but bright and spunky, filled with wonder, a little shy but still not shy as the boys who she handily outshines. The Girl grows into the:
The Young Woman/Vixen- Witty and spunky but less naive, so tending toward snarky; confident, outspoken, sexually aware and flirtatious, often with both genders. The Young Woman becomes the:
The Maturing Woman/Temptress – Still bright but more sexually aggressive, trading in some of the spunk for a more snark and sultry allure. Dominant and presents as ‘strong and independent’, but will inevitably fall in love (with a man, as opposed to titillating dalliances with women), so she can advance to the next stage:
The Wife : Much like the previous, except that any goals or desires have been subsumed by the achievement of the penultimate goal of marriage, and her husband’s happiness is her primary concern. Still may be sexually attractive, but monogamously devoted to her husband, and her desire/reason for existence (conscious or subconscious) is to have children, in order to become:
The Mother: the ultimate goal of womanhood, a pinnacle of selfless love and caring – still clever, spunky, and confident; attractive, but no longer sexually available or presented as sexually appealing – she is there to care for and comfort, not to titillate. If she lives and doesn’t sacrifice herself for her progeny, she becomes:
The Matron: caring and doting, her maternal instincts more diffuse, but old enough to require caring for herself by her children or surrogate children. Unattractive and any implications of sexuality are only played for humor.What bothers me is that every single one of Moffat’s female characters is this woman. The only differences between the characters is how quickly they pass between the stages (so some will be older or younger than others at the same stage), and how much they try to advance or try to resist (he seems especially interested in the transitions between Girl and Woman, and between Woman to Wife/Mother; pretty much all of the development of his female characters involve those two advancements: girls who don’t want to grow up (but eventually have to), women who don’t want to become mothers (but eventually have to.)) There are no young women who are serious or introverted; there are no mothers who have careers (at all, let alone careers they value). There are no women who really truly want other things out of life than a husband and children – they might think they do, but they’ll always come ‘round, giving up any other desire or ambition they ever had to devote themselves entirely to motherhood.
Their post entitled “How Moffat ruined Doctor Who for my little sister” is also worth reading.There was also a Moffat interview I read somewhere where he was like “well YEAH the companion has to be a spunky sexy 20-something-year-old because who else would the Doctor fall in love with and who else would want to go with the Doctor” and it’s just like *facepalm*. On the other hand, RTD gave us Donna. And Martha, who has a career and a life outside of the Doctor, unlike Amy/Clara and unlike River, who chose her career apparently so she’d be able to meet the Doctor again (which to me seems basically like saying “yeah, River became an archeologist to get her MRS degree”)
As for the plots, I don’t think they’re particularly complicated; I just don’t think they make any sense if you think about them for more than 5 minutes, and there’s always a lot of loose ends that don’t get resolved or explained at all. There’s been a lot of speculation that we’ll finally get an explanation of why the TARDIS blew up (from season 5) in this season, for instance. I think that’s ridiculous – it’s been three seasons already, you can’t wrap up a plot point before that?
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Lizzie
in May 7th, 2013 @ 07:30Not to mention that he has a tendency to play LGBT issues for laughs (think Susan the horse, or Clara’s ‘bisexual phase’), or that a lot of his scenes with women are clearly written for the male gaze.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 7th, 2013 @ 12:30Yeah, that’s another thing that bugs me, the lack of resolution. I’m still confused about the eyepatch lady, and the Silents, and pretty much all the big major things, because none of it was sufficiently explained. So many unanswered questions, or else I’m just too slow to pick the answers out of the episodes.
Unlike some, I don’t dislike the Companion of Moffat’s era. I really liked Amy (and grew to love Rory by end the end of series 5, although it took a smidge for him to grow on me), and I liked River a lot, too. Clara I’m still undecided on, I don’t dislike her really, but I don’t really like her yet, either. I mean, I liked her a lot in Asylum of the Daleks, but for whatever reason I”m still not covinced on her in the rest of the episodes she’s been on.
Speaking of RTD companions though, I really don’t like Martha. I liked her the first time I watched series 3, but the first time I rewatched, I really disliked her, because her entire season was “OMG, Doctor you kissed me, I love you, why do you not notice me you kissed me, you kissed me and I love you, why are you so hung up on a different girl, I love I love you, Doctor love me too”, and just barf. He didn’t kiss you. Well, technically he did, but not in any sort of romantic sense, he kissed you to transfer alien DNA so you appeared alien on the judoon’s scanners. It was not a kiss of any sort of romantic affection. Get over yourself and stop spending an entire season pining away because the Doctor doesn’t love you back.
Donna I really liked. Not the first time Iwatched her season, but on rewatch she was definitely my favorite RTD companion, with the exception of Captain Jack
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Choklit Orange
in May 7th, 2013 @ 18:18I have come to a conclusion on this, but I don’t really know how to articulate it clearly, so bear with me, please.
Given what Moffat has said in a couple of interviews, I’d agree that he seems a bit sexist. And that he seems to be under the impression that all women have only one way of falling in love and have the same emotions and relationship patterns. I’m definitely not defending that; it’s absolutely wrong.
(I’m not going to go find the Tumblr post because the majority of Tumblr textposts seem to either be filled with rage or to fill me with rage.)
I don’t, however, think it’s surprising or particularly sexist that Amy was obsessed with the Doctor; this may just be me, but if a time-travelling spaceman turned up in my garden if I was a really lonely kid in the wrong country and promised to come back for me, I’d kind of get obsessed too. Other people in the Doctor’s past have gotten pretty obsessed with waiting for him (Donna, Wilf, etc.).
Re: companions: I’ve liked all of them except Clara, who I’m still not really sure about (I thought she was great in Asylum of the Daleks and The Snowmen, but I don’t think her character has enough depth to keep up as a constant companion). Donna and Amy were probably my favorites; Rose was just cool, Rory was lovely, and Martha was pretty badass (she saved the Doctor’s life a lot, although I wish he’d been nicer to her).
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FantasyFan?!?!
in May 8th, 2013 @ 01:33Regarding Moffat: I, too, am developing a problem with him for the aforementioned reasons (after it was pointed out to me, of course). But someone once pointed out to me that Moffat was writing fairy tale stories–the focus is on the allegory and symbolism, not on the plot. So, magic-y explanations for things and fairy tale archetypes of mother, maiden, and crone for female characterizations. This helps me deal with plot issues but not with the way women are characterized, because I have read a lot of really good rewritten feminist fairy tales, or something of the sort, so I know you can work with the genre and not be sexist.
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FantasyFan?!?!
in May 8th, 2013 @ 01:32So I have decided to celebrate finishing finals by catching up on all the recent episodes of Doctor Who, because I haven’t been keeping up with each weekly one since The Bells of Saint John.
The Rings of Akhaten: I liked it? I’m not much given to analyzing shows, especially right after i first see them. Unlike some other people on this thread. Things need to be pointed out to me.
Cold War: Nothing much to say. I didn’t particularly like it, but applying the word hate to it is a bit much. It is the most sympathetic portrayal of Soviets that I’ve ever seen, however. Well. It’s not an American tv show.
Hide: I liked the foray into the horror genre here. Many people have noted that one of Doctor Who’s strengths is the flexibility of setting, and I like seeing this played with.
And that’s it for tonight.
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Randomosity101
in May 11th, 2013 @ 16:21SPOILERS SPOILERS NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS. NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.
So, as you can probably tell, I watched “Nightmare in Silver” today. I had been rather worried about this episode, to be honest, from what I saw in the preview. I should have known better. This is, after all, Neil Gaiman I’m talking about. This is now my favorite Eleven episode. It had the same savor to it as some of my favorite Ten and Nine episodes, in fact the only adjective I can think of to describe it is… delicious.
I really liked The Doctor/Cyberplanner. From the first moment, I thought it would turn out cheesy and overdone, like so many other Eleven plot twists seem to do. Oh, but it was so much better than I anticipated. There was, of course, the part where the Cyberplanner tried to convince Clara he was The Doctor that I thought was fairly stupid. But when Clara responded in the manner that she did it made it seem that the stupidity was intentional. The marriage proposal at the end, though. I laughed so hard at The Doctor for apparently thinking she might actually accept. But then, I suppose, even if this is a much better episode than most of the Eleven episodes, he still has to maintain the same level of cluelessness.
Ha ha! I have not felt this good upon finishing an episode of Doctor Who since Ten regenerated.
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Randomosity101
in May 11th, 2013 @ 16:52SFTDP. I forgot, there were two more things.
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When Eleven was half-upgraded into the Cyberplanner, he seemed fully capable of emotion. He was cheering, laughing, jumping up on tables, and exulting his mental capacity. Which runs in direct contradiction with the whole point of the Cybermen. I am quite confused.
When the little girl figured out that Porridge was the emperor, it was basically one of my favorite parts of the episode. “What, I can’t be the only one who’s noticed!” For once, a character gets something!
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Luna the Lovely
in May 11th, 2013 @ 22:52SPOILERS SPOILERS NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS. NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.SPOILERS SPOILERS NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS. NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I’m…..not sure how I felt. As in, I’m literally sitting (well, laying, really) here, completely undecided about what to make of the episode. I think the only thing in it I know what to make of it, is I don’t like the continued hint of romance (mainly, the suggestion that the Doctor might be interested in Clara). Not the cyberplanner Doctor, I can accept him making comments, but at the end, when he’s going on about her being a mystery wrapped in an enigma in a skirt that’s too tight and how she’s impossible, it was exactly like a guy realizing he’s got romantic feelings for a girl.
And it’s established cannon that the Doctor is married to River Song, whether fans like the character or the marriage or not. It’s still an established fact. So…..enough with the hints of a Doctor-Clara romance already. Can we have a story without the flirtyflirty already?
But other than that, I think I liked it, and that’s more an annoyance with this half of the season as a whole than the episode, but. yeah.
not sure on the episode.
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Randomosity101
in May 12th, 2013 @ 11:04SPOILERS SPOILERS NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS. NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I agree about The Doctor liking Clara. In a way, he’s married three times over. He fell in love with Rose and Tentwo went off to live with her in a parallel universe (you never actually see them marry, but what else could really happen at that point?), as Eleven he married River, and it’s kind of been a running thing from the beginning that he’s married to the TARDIS. Well, maybe “eloped” would be a better word; since they “stole” each other. I mean, the episode “The Doctor’s Wife” may be an Eleven episode, but Rose comments on The Doctor’s apparent romantic relationship with a time machine back when he was Nine. And Martha and then Amy fell for The Doctor too. Enough of the Doctor/Companion relationships already!
There is one semi-good thing about it though (even though obviously better if there was no romantic interest at all). Clara does flirt with The Doctor on occasion, but to me it never seems to indicate genuine romantic interest, it’s more like it’s just sort of what she does. I know people who do stuff like that in real life. Which would mean for the first time that instead of a companion having unrequited love for The Doctor, it’s the other way around. Unfortunately, from what she said to The Doctor after the Cyberplanner flirted with her, it looks like it will be a reverse-Rose deal. By which I mean that she slowly ends up falling for The Doctor anyway. So it’s back to wholly bad.
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in May 12th, 2013 @ 12:49SPOILERS SPOILERS NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS. NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS.SPOILERS SPOILERS NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS. NIGHTMARE IN SILVER SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS I could have done without the “tight skirt” comment, too, but I think he means “impossible” in the most basic sense, that she shouldn’t be capable of existing.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 18th, 2013 @ 16:33POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR I DON’T EVEN KNOW THOUGH BECAUSE I’M TOO CAKING UPSET
Thank you, Moffatt, for ruining Doctor Who. 1 minute and 44 second precredit sequence and you have me crying because you’ve ruined my favorite show. And then another 42 minutes of filler to drive the point home.
I may not have been liking this season much, but at least it was just a few bad episodes, not an ENTIRE 50 YEAR HISTORY ripped apart and stomped on and defiled and just completely ruined.
Congratulations on topping Starz’s ruining of Torchwood with the conclusion of Miracle Day by ruining Doctor Who.
I’m going to continue sobbing my heart, crying harder than I have in a *long* time, because you just killed my favorited show.
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bookgirl_me
in May 18th, 2013 @ 17:30*offers tissue* Do you want to talk about it?
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Luna the Lovely
in May 18th, 2013 @ 20:12[SORT OF DOCTOR WHO SPOILER –Admin.]
People on the internet are so juvenile and stupid when people disagree with them.
I had an individual an a different site request that i “please…go choke on a tampon.”
Due to the fact that thinking the season finale sucked and drastically altered Who history is apparently a huge minority opinion, and apparently having that opinion make you a whiny little non-fan who only cares about “precious canon”.
People don’t make sense. I don’t like people.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 18th, 2013 @ 20:21Sorry GAPAlings
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POSOC
in May 18th, 2013 @ 21:43POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR …I almost want to watch it to see what people are talking about. But I fell out of love with Doctor Who some time ago, and this would probably drive the nails into that coffin.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 18th, 2013 @ 23:16POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR NAME OF THE DOCTORPOSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR NAME OF THE DOCTORPOSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR
Hard to say. At least on the message boards I’ve been hanging out on, hating the newest episode is a minority opinion. But then again, on those same message boards, anybody complaining about the show is “not a true fan” and supposedly trolls.
Which is kind of funny, as I’m guessing I’ve watched more Doctor Who then most of the people on the boards. I certainly haven’t watched less
But it seems if you dare speak ill of the great Moffat, you’re labelled either a troll, RTD worshipper, or Rose lover. I’m none of the above. I enjoyed RTD’s more than I’ve been enjoying Moffat’s, but I enjoyed classic Who even more than any of the new series.
And this latest twist corrupted Classic Who, because
MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS
Moffat wrote himself and his newest companion into the fabric of Classic Who–his new companion? She’s the one who told the Doctor to choose the particular TARDIS he ran off with, she’s written in as having encountered every Doctor, saved every Doctor’s life, essentially, she is now the reason we have the Doctor with this particular TARDIS.
And the internet is worshipping it as the greatest thing, how this is so great the way they incorporated the Classic Doctor’s, how they wove them into the story line (and this is suppose to make us happy and no longer upset they’re not in the anniversary special), but I”d rather have had no Classic Doctors than have him rewrite Clara into every Doctor Who serial ever.
But people who *don’t* think this is a brilliant move on Moffat’s part are being labelled as “whiny”, “insipid”, “not true fans”, “trolls”, etc. And they rationalize it, saying, oh, no, Moffat didn’t change anything. He just fixed what he had his antagonist of this episode mess up. The antagonist reversed all the Doctor’s successes, Clara just put it right, so she just put it back to normal, so Classic Who is still the same, no canon was rewritten. But it *was* rewritten. Clara told the Doctor to take the TARDIS he chose (what ahppened to the TARDIS choosing him, like Gaiman posited in “DOctor’s Wife”?).
And it makes me angry. Because not only have i found Moffat’s “time can be rewritten” mantra has become tiresome, he’s now chosen to expand that not just to his episodes/seasons, but to completely rewrite the entire history of the show. And that upsets me, because I loved Classic Who, but apparently I’m a b****y troll who should “quit watching” and is “not a true fan”. Because apparently “You morons [people who voice a negative opinion about an episode] suck all the fun out of it and I’m sick of hearing about it. As long as you people b**** about the show, I’ll be here to b**** about all of you in turn!” (Gosh, here’s a novel thought, if you dont’ want to hear a negative opinion, don’t click on a topic thread that clearly contains a negative opinion…..)
I realize I should just stay off those particular message boards, because all that ever happens if you voice a minority opinion is you get attacked, but like the proverbial moth to the flame……
Anyway.
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Errata
in May 19th, 2013 @ 02:32SPOILERS FAIRLY MAJOR SPOILERS FOR “NAME OF THE DOCTOR” REALLY DON’T GLANCE CASUALLY OVER THIS OR ANYTHING I AM SERIOUS HERE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS I NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS TO PUT HERE SO I’M JUST GOING TO SHOUT AT EVERYBODY FOR A BIT SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Honestly, I don’t think Clara changed anything. Maybe Asylum of the Daleks and Victorian London, but aside from that, I think she just put everything back to what it was supposed to be, even with the choice of TARDIS.
Because just think. If you were trying to undo every one of the Doctor’s good deeds, if you were trying to disable him, what would be the first thing to do, there would be no better way. Take away the TARDIS. Give him some boring old replacement, which takes him always where he wants to go and never where he needs to be. Half of the battles are won, without any more effort at all.
Of course the Great Intelligence would alter that, and of course that would be the most important thing to revert. It would have been nice if this had been clear, though.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 19th, 2013 @ 11:47MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILER FOR NAME OF THE DOCTOR, DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS SPOILER, YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS
I’ve read a lot of posts with your same viewpoint, but to me, she did change everything. because likeChoklit said below, she’s now part of Classic Who canon, and if I ever go back and rewatch Classic Who, there will be tht little nagging voice of “Clara was here”, “this only is happening because of Clara”. I mean, we’ve even got Clara picking out his TARDIS for him, instead of the TARDIS choosing him. It may end up at the same endpoint, but the start point for why it happened is different.
There was something else I was going to say on the matter, but I can’t think of what it was….
I’m glad you liked it.
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Choklit Orange
in May 19th, 2013 @ 12:45SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILERS THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO FINALE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS HELLO SWEETIE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I don’t think she’s actually part of Classic Who canon; she was only there to stop the Great Intelligence from screwing things up, right? So it’s not like she actually interfered in events. (Also, the Doctor didn’t ever hear her, right? I don’t think she chose the TARDIS for him, unless the Great Intelligence had pushed him toward another one first.)
That said, I don’t really like the idea that she was there the entire time.
Luna- can’t you just ignore this episode when you’re watching Classic Who?
I would really like some clarification on the other events of the episode. How exactly did River get out of the Library matrix? And how did the Doctor or Clara see her?
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Luna the Lovely
in May 19th, 2013 @ 14:13SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS MAJOR SPOILERS THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO FINALE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS HELLO SWEETIE SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
re: ignoring this episode when watching Classic Who: I’m not sure. I’m definitely going to try to if I ever have the time to rewatch Classic. I think once some time has passed, I’ll come to terms with the episode/be able to conveniently ignore bits of it I don’t like.
As for River, my understanding was she got out of the Library Matrix when she was summoned to the “conference call”, and the reason she was able to go to Trenzalor, and the reason Clara could see her, was because they were still telepathically linked from the call. As for the Doctor? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 19th, 2013 @ 00:36I seem to be one of about a dozen people on the entire internet who were not completely smitten and in love with the finale. I have yet to see a single article that doesn’t glorify the finale and say it made up for a lackluster second half of season 7, and almost every single comment on every article agrees that it was an amazing super awesome episode.
So it’s really hard to say whether it would drive the nails into the coffin for you, or rejuvenate your lost love for the show.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician
in May 19th, 2013 @ 00:39SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER
Personally, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, even though it has “fanfiction” written all over it. Moffat didn’t technically *change* anything, I guess; I mean, the worst he did is induce an annoying little voice saying “Clara was here, hahaha” while watching the older episodes. I don’t know, I’m a pretty apathetic person, especially with Matt Smith, of whom I have just achieved a “meh” opinion.I would have liked a better emphasis on the fact that River is actually the River in the Library. I didn’t get that until pretty much the end of the episode.
Well, Moffat had to get the Doctors together somehow, and this episode is how he did it. I think it’s an adequate explanation of who the “impossible girl” is and I liked her scene with the first Doctor. It also leaves us with a little bit of theorizing on who John Hurt’s character is, with the general consensus being he’s the actual ninth Doctor.
Also, ~fanservice~. Lots of it. I think the reason that there’s not a whole lot of outrage is the sheer fact that the show is acknowledging its past and actually having the past play a major role. People are happy with that.
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Randomosity101
in May 18th, 2013 @ 19:27I just saw “The Name of the Doctor”, and here is my (spoiler free – I swear!) reaction:
!!! !?!?!? !! GT:ERGJTRFGBKLHBME>VD MGMBGEKGBG ??????!
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Luna the Lovely
in May 18th, 2013 @ 20:22is that a “I liked it” reaction, or an “I didn’t like it reaction”? Or a “I don’t even know what to think” reaction?
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Randomosity101
in May 18th, 2013 @ 20:54Mostly it was a “I don’t even know what to think” reaction, but it has echoes of both of the other two mixed in.
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Choklit Orange
in May 19th, 2013 @ 03:28Pretty much mine, too: I loved most of the episode. Until the end. The end was. Was. WHAT.
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Okay, so. I thought the dialogue was good and I liked the whole Trenzalore thing. I have to say that I didn’t like Clara getting injected into the Doctor’s past, because I didn’t like those adventures being dependent on his future/Clara. I mean, I don’t like that I kind of have to just not accept part of this episode as canon, if I want to watch old episodes and not think on some level of how Clara might have figured into them. She did say, though, that he never heard her, right? So he only has noticed her the three recent times, and otherwise she’s been inconsequential?
I may have liked this episode just because I get really happy whenever River Song turns up (she had better come back), and also because of the soundtrack- gosh, when the Gallifrey theme started playing when Clara asked the Doctor about Trenzalore…
I’m choosing not to think about the John Hunt guy for now. Maybe he’s the Valeyard. Maybe that doesn’t count as being a Doctor. That would be good. Another past Doctor is just. No. No.
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Choklit Orange
in May 19th, 2013 @ 03:29*John Hurt, not John Hunt. Maybe I should go to bed while I can still sort of read.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 19th, 2013 @ 12:16SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS HUGE DOCTOR WHO FINALE SPOILERS AVOID THE SPOILERS MANY SPOILERS HERE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILERS SPOILERS *River Song voice* SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS YOU KNOW HOW YOU SOMETIMES SEE OR HEAR A WORD A LOT AND IT STOPS BEING A WORD SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
I think I would have enjoyed the body of the episode more, if the entire 42 minutes post credit sequence hadn’t been tainted for me by Clara’s insertion into Classic Who (because I was on the verge of upset angry, and broken hearted tears when we hit the opening credits).
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in May 19th, 2013 @ 12:44SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER SPOILER NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILER.
The biggest problem I had with Clara figuring in The Doctor’s past was that it showed him as One listening to her with regard as to which TARDIS to steal, but in “The Doctor’s Wife”, he says he just chose her because her door was open. She stole him as much as the other way around. I’ve decided to just not accept that One actually heard Clara. He just looked in her direction because he was looking around nervously in case he was caught.
I do really like River, but even her presence wasn’t enough to make me like this episode overall. Still, she had BETTER appear again later! According to some of the stuff said in previous episodes, she still has some dates out with The Doctor that haven’t happened in his timeline yet, so he had better visit her in her timeline before her death again! He did that often enough when her parents were his companions!
I did like how in this episode we really see Madame Vastra’s tender side for the first time. Usually, when she’s there it’s all business. So this is the first time we really get to see her interacting with her wife in a truly emotional context.
As for John Hurt… The way I understand it, he’s not a past Doctor. He’s not a future Doctor. He’s The Doctor’s personification of the side of himself that he wishes to keep hidden. I know that I, for one, tend to take all of my personality traits and past actions that I dislike myself for and personify them as a separate (imaginary) entity. Then, when I face them, I actually “face” them. Of course, The Doctor being a Time Lord, his personification may become so powerful as to manifest physically, rather than just as we saw him inside The Doctor’s perception of his own timeline. It was basically a look inside The Doctor’s mind. What I take issue with is that the words were written on the screen when the episode was still playing. To my mind, good episodes temporarily make you forget that what you’re watching isn’t real. That just made the whole thing cheap.
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in May 19th, 2013 @ 16:44…I think I may be developing a thing for kids’ cartoons. *really should stop watching Animaniacs and get back to writing that essay*
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in May 19th, 2013 @ 19:41SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS NAME OF THE DOCTOR SPOILERS ET CETERA ET CETERA SO ON AND SO FORTH HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO MAKE THIS I HAVE NO IDEA I’M FAIRLY SURE THAT NOBODY ACTUALLY READS THESE THINGS ANYWAY SPOILERS YEP
So actually I almost didn’t watch this episode, because I got all the major spoilers (i.e. John Hurt, Clara’s insertion into Old!Who, etc.) through Tumblr and was basically in tears/wanting to murder Moffat/definitely completely and utterly done with the show forever for about a day and a half, until some of my friends convinced me to watch it after all. And I am quite, quite glad that I did.
This was basically the only episode of Clara’s series which I thought was worthy to be Doctor Who either writing-wise or content-wise. The overall style was basically just a whole lot better than the series up till now has been, even though it did have quite a few of its downsides. And I’m actually very glad that I had heard the spoilers before I watched it, because it gave me time to get used to the idea before I saw it onscreen.
I was actually a lot less upset about said spoilers than I thought I was going to be. I’m glad that the explanation for Clara’s multi-person-ness was something actually vaguely plausible within the DW universe, and I don’t really care all that much about her insertion into old!Who. It’s not exactly established that Clara made the First Doctor choose the TARDIS — he could have just as easily turned toward it because he heard the TARDIS calling out to him as Clara. And it was nice to actually see Clara get some agency for once rather than just being the personality-less generic!agency-less!Moffat-era!companion! she’s been up till this point.
About John Hurt’s character, I’m also not as upset about him as I thought I would be either, because I’m fairly sure that he’s really not contradicting existing canon. There’s a huge gaping hole in the existing Eight-through-Time War canon and up till now it’s always pleased writers to let it stay that way, but there’s no law that says that it has to, and so far I’ve seen nothing in the John Hurt character that would contradict existing show canon. He could even be an older version of Eight, it’s possible, or he could have regenerated at one point during the Time War and then regenerated again into Nine afterwards. In any case, it’s pretty clear that he was the one who actually pushed the button or whatever to kill the Time Lords, and that was so horrific that he no longer deserves the name of the Doctor. So Eleven is still the Eleventh Doctor, etc. — there’s just another regeneration in the middle there who’s the not-Doctor. (He might even be the Valeyard. Now that would be exciting, and close quite a long continuity loop to boot. Assuming Moffat is actually capable of incorporating previous canon without mucking it up, which is possible though debatable.) Which means that the Eleventh Doctor is on his twelfth regeneration, running out of time, etc., which I’m sure Moffat will love, etc., etc.In any case. I liked this episode enough to be able to allow myself to watch the 50th anniversary special when it comes out, which I am quite happy about because at least, whatever Moffat mucks up with that, DAVID TENNANT and that is all.
(Though if it turns out Tennant is playing actual original Ten and not Tentoo, I think I might have some things to say about that. But that will be a later crisis, at least. *sigh*)
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Luna the Lovely
in May 19th, 2013 @ 20:45lol. I read them (the spoiler warnings).
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Randomosity101
in May 20th, 2013 @ 18:07I always read the spoiler warnings to make sure the post I’m reading is actually about a show I’ve seen.
But anyway, it’s good that you enjoyed it. Especially since you thought you wouldn’t.
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in May 29th, 2013 @ 19:35FINALLY got around to watching “Blink.”
Fantastic, in my opinion. Lots of good lines, lots of scariness, lots of feel-y things as well.
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Luna the Lovely
in May 29th, 2013 @ 22:48One of my all-time favorite episodes.
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in May 30th, 2013 @ 11:51I loved that episode. Even if it didn’t scare me nearly half as much as “The Empty Child”.
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in June 9th, 2013 @ 16:04OMG, they’re not even subtle. “A kink in my back. [behind his back the Yeoman starts to massage it)]That’s it. A little higher, please. Push. Push hard. Dig it in there, Mister–“ (all of this said in a sultry tone, me laughing at the implication when he first starts not realizing he doesn’t realize who is massaging his back, and laughing at Spock’s eyebrow quirk, and then Kirk realizes it’s not Spock, and he just freezes like he was caught in a compromising position doing something he shouldn’t be doing with someone he shouldn’t be doing it with, and dismisses the Yeoman….OMG, I died because they don’t even pretend to be subtle. And despite my previous thoughts of watching Star Trek while flying home in a few weeks, it’s probably a really bad idea, because given how much people hate crying babies on flights? Twenty three years olds who can’t stop laughing (and laughing extremely loudly) every 5 minutes is probably nto that desirable, either…..)
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 16:12I have reached the conclusion that everyone involved the screenplay of Star Trek TOS was high on some kind of really awesome drug, because this is seriously trippy in a whacked out way.
“Hey, it’s like Alice in Wonderland here….. ” And suddenly, out of bloody nowhere, is the bleeding white rabbit with freaking Alice close on his freaking rabbity tail. I am DYING. There is no way I can ever watch this in a public location, my neighbors above and below me are probably already wondering what the heck is wrong with me, and I keep nearly choking on my lunch because OMG this is so freaking insanely insane and yet utterly awesome at the same time and what is even going on.
Also, I moved myr andom monolog here from the random thread, b/c this thread gets less traffic and my insane ramblings on insanity are probably better suited here as it relates to Trek and other things.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 16:25“I’ve got a grudge against that rabbit, Jim.” I AM DYING OF LAUGHTER HERE. and if i’m not careful, i will literally be dying of laughter when i aspirate my lunch, but seriously. this is hilarious.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 16:28The one dude’s laughter (no name to avoid spoilers) sounds just like Peeves the poltergeist’s laughter on the harry potter Sorcerer’s Stone/Chamber of Secrets computer games.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DIE FROM LAUGHING TOO MUCH
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 16:44“My dear girl, I am a Doctor. When I peak, it is in the line of duty.”
This has got to be the single most hilarious episode of any show I have watched in my entire life. I really do not think I have ever laughed this much.
What drugs were they on when they wrote this episode and the dialog. No, seriously. what drugs
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 17:12*peek. Apparently laughing kills off the part of my brain that remembers how to spell homonyms correctly.
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Armada
in June 9th, 2013 @ 16:52…you okay over there, Luna?
I have decided that I really have to watch Star Trek. I think it is probably going to be my replacement sci-fi show since my abrupt disillusionment with Doctor Who. (Plus [social media site] is going insane over it and posting more gifs than I know what to do with and is basically going to spoiler me for everything ever if I don’t start watching the actual episodes quite soon.)
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 17:14I’m okay. I finished the episode, didn’t choke on my food, and by sheer luck didn’t spit soda all over my computer. But seriously that episode was totally whack and hilarious.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in June 9th, 2013 @ 17:15This particular one was written by a well-known science-fiction writer, Theodore Sturgeon.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 9th, 2013 @ 17:23I”m afraid I must admit I’ve never actually heard of him. Back when I read a lot (pre-college) I was never particularly into sci-fi, just fantasy (I tended to find sci-fi rather dry, dull, and boring), and it wasn’t until my introduction to Doctor Who (by way of BBC’s Merlin) that I really started to get into anything sci-fi related. So most of my current sci-fi experience is still television as opposed to books. Although I have definitely read some sci-fi, I just didn’t like it as much as a kid
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in June 9th, 2013 @ 17:39If anyone wants an excellent SF show to watch, try Babylon 5. It is full of awesome characters, a space station, diplomatic situations in space, and a really neat overarching plot. There are also rangers, and even giant space squids!
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in June 9th, 2013 @ 17:49Seconded! Space opera at its finest. Especially Londo Mollari.
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oxlin
in June 9th, 2013 @ 18:19And Susan Ivanova! And Delenn! And everyone.
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shadowfire
in June 12th, 2013 @ 14:52So this isn’t quite geeky TV shows, this is technically non-canon expanded universe material from a geeky TV show, but close enough? I finally managed to get my hands on the Eighth Doctor Big Finish audios, and they are doing a wonderful job of making me interested in Doctor Who again.
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in June 12th, 2013 @ 17:02This might be akin to confessing a heinous crime, but until a few days ago I’d never seen an episode of Doctor Who.
Just because there are so many seasons/episodes and I didn’t really know where to start, I began with the first two episodes of the Ninth Doctor. Is that a good-ish place to begin? I think I’d rather start with more recent ones, if I am going to continue watching.
And are subsequent episodes similar in style to the first two (Rose and The End of the World) of 2005 series 1? They seemed fairly bizarre – not necessarily in a bad way though – but the Living Plastic things are creepy as hell!
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LittleBasementKitten
in June 12th, 2013 @ 18:01As someone who also just recently started watching, I would say watch all of Nine. Some of them are bizarre, like the one where an alien’s brain is put in a pig, but there are some really great feel-y moments too, like “Dalek,” and “The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances.” If you must, just watch the last two episodes before you move on to Ten/Eleven. Otherwise the Doctor’s behavior won’t really make sense.
But do whatever you want, I suppose.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 12th, 2013 @ 20:05Personally, I’d say yes, definitely start with nine and then work your way through to the current time. Technically you could jump in at the start of Eleven, but you’d miss so many great episodes if you did that, and it wouldn’t be my choice of start.
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Choklit Orange
in June 12th, 2013 @ 23:09If, like me, you find Nine pretty off-putting at first, you should skip to Ten! He’s much friendlier. And once you’ve gotten into those three seasons and/or start watching Eleven, you’ll quite likely want to go back and watch Nine, for Rose if nothing else.
The episodes definitely get better after “Rose” (and the solutions to problems get slightly more complex than “antiplastic”). And they’ve kept improving since then, in my opinion. Season 4 was particularly well-done.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in June 13th, 2013 @ 09:52Thanks for the advice, everyone! I’ll continue with Nine when I can, and see how it goes (though I do expect to prefer David Tennant once I get there).
Some of the aliens/special effect things seem a tad tacky – are most of the episodes like that? I suppose that’s because series 1 is from 2005. Does it get more realistic or sophisticated?
And I find Rose’s accent fairly annoying, I have to say. Just me?
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Choklit Orange
in June 13th, 2013 @ 16:38The special effects get much better later on (although the Cybermen continue to look like tall people in metal suits). Starting with the second series, and steadily improving. I read somewhere that during the 2005 series, the producers were trying to preserve some of the tackiness of the previous series (up to 1989)- if that’s true, then they definitely stopped.
I recall Rose being described in a later episode as “chavtastic.” I find her accent pretty cute, though (when she returns later on, she sounds a lot less Cockney).
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Cerulean Pyros
in June 14th, 2013 @ 08:41My understanding isn’t that they were trying to preserve the bubblewrap-and-aluminum-foil look, but that Russel T. Davies didn’t manage his budget for that series as well as he might have. I agree with you, Chok, the quality has improved noticeably. Also, they got more money to work with.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 14th, 2013 @ 09:12I much prefer the bubble wrap and aluminum foil look that clssic Who had (and that none of new Who has), over the extremely fake looking CGI that all of New Who is (Moffat included). It feels so much more real than the CGI stuff
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Choklit Orange
in June 14th, 2013 @ 18:06I’m going to go ahead and assume that you, like me, have not seen other planets, huge explosions, or aliens firsthand, so why does the CGI seem extremely fake to you? I think the new series, particularly during Moffat’s reign, has done a really good job with visuals- especially cinematography, but also CGI worlds and aliens.
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in June 14th, 2013 @ 21:17If the CGI breaks the suspension of disbelief, then it looks fake.
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Choklit Orange
in June 14th, 2013 @ 22:11Okay, I guess my confusion is more about how disbelief could actually be suspended if the new series used old series-style monsters. I recall the Seventh Doctor encountering one that seemed to be built entirely out of candy glued to a wastebasket- which seemed to fit within the style of that era’s episodes, but would never hold up today.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 14th, 2013 @ 22:34I don’t mean to say they’re doing anything badly. But to me, CGI aliens and animals, both in Doctor Who and in pretty much any movie I’ve watched recently (and don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s all really well done), looks just that: CGI and animated, as opposed to flesh and blood. The CGI planets and stuff usually work fine I think, but the CGI aliens not so much.
An not all if its necessarily CGI that looks fake to me. For instance the lizard lady (I can’t think if her name, but she and all of the other Silurians) looks fake to me. Her green skin and face look far to shiny and almost computerized. I don’t know if they are actually part animated as opposed to being all makeup job, or if its just filmed in such crisp quality that it looks so clear, but….it just makes it look kind if fake to me. And I know that it would be possible to so the Silurians face and heads with makeup and no CGI (assuming they don’t, because they might, it just computery to me) and look totally real. Like the Klingon that I vaguely remember from the few eps of TNG I saw a s a kid. He’s got as much rushing and weir skin color going on as a Silurian, but it was done with makeup and looks REAL. (Ill admit classic who Silurians didn’t necessarily look real either in their own way given the giant costume heads as opposed to makeup, but they still felt more real to me)I’m not trying to say that they’re soon bad CGI on the show, it’s just for me, CGI in general often doesn’t look real. It looks to smooth and animation-y. I think more use of….what are they called? Animatronics? Like I want to say the dinosaurs in Jurassic park were but may be wrong? That looks real or more real. CGI people/animals/Dinos/aliens just don’t to me. Not just on doctor who but on the vast majority of movies I watch today
I’m not sure if I explained that well, but….
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in June 15th, 2013 @ 01:41I do get where you’re coming from.
At first I was going to say that bad CGI is the new bubble wrap–it looks so hilariously terrible that it contributes to the whole aesthetic.
But over-saturated CGI looks bad no matter what. It’s a different sort of bad, like stuff that could have been a model or something is instead CGI. And we as an audience are pretty good at spotting CGI, especially mediocre CGI, so it’s easy to tell that it’s not real. Complicated animatronics and costumes actually look very good up close, it’s getting them to move that’s the hard part. So you have to CGI the movement, but then it looks different from the close-up. So they CGI the whole thing when they didn’t really have to. Total speculation there, sorry.
Going to Jurassic Park, though, this quote totally supports what I speculated! Yay!
“When watching any of the Jurassic Park movies, the blending of the animatronic and digital versions is extraordinary. Very few people can distinguish between them on the screen. However, Stan Winston [the special effects man for Jurassic Park] says there is an easy way to tell if a dinosaur is digital or animatronic: If you can see the entire creature, legs and all, moving across the screen, then it is digital. The majority of other shots, particularly close-ups, probably use the animatronic version. Most animatronic figures, the Spinosaurus included, do not have legs. The ones that do are generally not capable of completely free movement. ”
So Jurassic Park used a combination of CGI and animatronics–CGI for movement and animatronics for close-ups.
HD filming also limits the ability to use animatronics for action shots. It’s easier to spot jerky movements in glorious HD. CGI is on the whole smoother and has less of a chance of ruining the suspension of disbelief (for action shots only) than animatronics. Vice versa for close-ups.
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Choklit Orange
in June 15th, 2013 @ 01:44Ah, I see where you’re coming from. Google tells me that the Silurians’ faces are all prosthetics, not CGI.
The Jurassic Park dinosaurs were amazing- I’m not sure I’ve seen anything else on that level (animatronics/CGI-wise). I suppose the problem is that few other movies, and definitely no TV shows, have the money or time to build a moving T. Rex.
Maybe I’m just not very discerning, I don’t know, but I found the dinosaurs in Doctor Who (like most of the CGI in it) realistic until I starting comparing them to Jurassic Park… then again, given the premise of the show, I don’t think they really need to be too realistic to seem real within the context of the episode.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 15th, 2013 @ 08:38So……I just realized what your gravatar was. As in Star Trek related.
And now I know why the United Federation of Planets symbol thingy seemed so incredibly familiar the other day as if I’d seen it before. It’s because I see it all the bleeding time everytime I read one of your posts. (I’m jut a bit slow)
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☼Catwings, Panther tribe leader☼(♦IrishGirl100♦)
in June 18th, 2013 @ 17:50Really? I don’t think i’ve ever seen that symbol on ST… At least not in any of the 428 episodes i saw.
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Luna the Lovely
in June 23rd, 2013 @ 22:31Catwings: Well, it’s in the 2013 Star Trek Into Darkness movie at least once (in pale blue on a white flag at the end of the movie) and at least twice in the 2009 movie. Variations on the colors and whatever, but the same symbol. I can’t speak to the frequency of it’s appearance in any of the television series, as I have currently seen less than 20 episodes.
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in June 24th, 2013 @ 15:52Luna-
It’s okay, somehow it took me a few months to notice that your blogname wasn’t actually Luna Lovegood.
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Maths Lover ♥
in July 5th, 2013 @ 02:27Best gravatar ever! Catwings– It appears in that or similar forms from TNG onwards, if memory and some Googling serves. Apparently in some the movies as well. I’ve just finished the final season of Enterprise and it made quite a few appearances, looking very grand and optimistic and prequel-done-well-ish. Mmmm…. (Sorry, I forget whether you’ve seen that series. If not waaaaatch iiiiiiiiit. Nowwwwwww.)
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Randomosity101
in June 12th, 2013 @ 22:27My mother’s been kind of into Doctor Who for years, AND SHE NEVER TOLD ME. She and my sister have been on the East Coast this week for my graduation, so today I watched several of my favorite episodes with her. (She’s kind of into it, but she hasn’t actually seen many episodes.)
It was actually pretty cool.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in June 14th, 2013 @ 04:12My friend has been bothering me for weeks about watching Game of Thrones, so last night, with absolutely nothing else to do, I relented. Then accidentally watched five episodes in a row. It is pretty good, if you don’t mind all the violence (I do a bit, but I can always just look away.) It almost seems like a very long film; you just want to find out what happens next.
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Cello-Playing Mathematician (AKA Kyra)
in June 14th, 2013 @ 10:58Heh.
But the show’s really good; I encourage you to catch up! Season 3 just ended.
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Selenium the Quafflebird
in June 14th, 2013 @ 11:38Oh, I don’t at all dispute that it’s a good show. I’ll be caught up after 25 more episodes.
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in June 18th, 2013 @ 16:04Last night I watched the first episode of The Twilight Zone and had a very odd moment where I realized that I was sharing a moment of horror with a bunch of people in 1959.
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KaiYves
in June 19th, 2013 @ 08:56Ooh yes, the first episode has a really good twist… (Most of them do, I just mean it’s an unexpected one.)
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in June 24th, 2013 @ 21:31Dangit, i’ve never seen the first episode of that show!
I want to, but usually the shows we get are from a station around here that only shows re-runs of older shows.
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in June 19th, 2013 @ 09:12I don’t know if this counts, but having watched an episode of “Seconds From Disaster” for the first time in ages yesterday, I noticed how similar a lot of the filming techniques, the look of the flashbacks, the way interviews were used, etc., were to “Challenger: The Untold Story”, which was also a National Geographic Channel program. I wonder if that program was supposed to be an episode of “Seconds From Disaster” (even though I see they later did do a Challenger episode, although I don’t know if it had any footage in common, ’cause I haven’t seen it yet), or if it just had the same production team.
(One of the things they had in common, annoyingly, was the reenactors in the flashbacks not looking much like the real people. If you know a guy was blond, and you show archival footage where it’s clear he was blond, why would you have a brown-haired guy play him?)
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in June 19th, 2013 @ 09:47I’d say they need to hire a historical consultant with Muse Academy credentials.
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Jadestone
in July 14th, 2013 @ 17:51So
I watched all of Young Justice maybe 3 weeks ago
and just now finished Justice League.
JUST RIP MY HEART OUT OF MY CHEST OKAY FINE
Anyway, I have a lot of feelings about superheroes. Also my love for Hawkgirl is as unending as the sea. I remember I only saw maybe one or two episodes of JL when I was growing up (could only watch tv on weekends, and for limited times, so I missed a lot of shows I would have enjoyed), and she was just so snarky. And beat people up. She’s more angry and has a “let’s just hit them” attitude than Wonder Woman and she’s been one of my favorites forever. I just have a LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT HER AND WANT HER TO BE HAPPY
anyway now after the SAD DISASTER that was the ending to JL, I’m starting Justice League: Unlimited. Which I have seen none of before so I have no idea what’s in store for me.
SPOILER WARNINGS FOR JUSTICE BELOW HERE LEAGUE SPOILER WARNINGS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILER WARNINGS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILER WARNINGS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILER WARNINGS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE SPOILER WARNINGS FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE
…not that I had any idea of what was going to happen in the ending of JL because I THOUGHT KATAR WAS GOING TO COME AND SAVE THE DAY AND HE AND SHAYERA WOULD BE HAPPY LIKE IN THE COMIC BOOKS NOT THE HORRIBLE DISASTER THAT DID HAPPEN WHY D8
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in July 17th, 2013 @ 06:31Oh, I (think) I remember watching episodes of Justice League when I was little too! I should try and look for it.
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in July 16th, 2013 @ 21:58SO MANY EPISODES WITH HAWKGIRL THIS SEASON I’m so pleased right now oh my god
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in July 21st, 2013 @ 21:17So I stumbled across the TV Tropes page for “The Secret Saturdays” and it sounds interesting, has anyone seen it, and if so, is it worthwhile?
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 16:03Sarek is a jerk.
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 16:08“You embarassed Spock this evening. Not even a mother may do that.”
*snork* maybe not a Vulcan mother, Sarek, but I assure you, human mothers may, and take far too much pleasure in doing so.
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 16:10SPock’s parents sure make out a lot…..
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 16:26This is another of those “if I didn’t already have a crush on Spock, I sure as heck would now” episodes. The things Spock is willing to do for his father even after 18 years of not talking? *melt*
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in July 27th, 2013 @ 22:21I’m watching that episode now… and apparently, Sarek was disappointed that Spock joined Starfleet at least partly because it occasionally had to use force? Suddenly, I really want to see how he reacted to Spock’s career choice in the parallel universe from “Mirror, Mirror.”
Actually, I’m wondering what would have caused him to make that decision; I mean, the others were obviously raised thinking that killing innocent people was okay, but Spock doesn’t have that excuse. Was he seriously that much in love with Kirk, or was it just a plot hole? Probably the latter, but I still think there ought to be a spin-off series and movies about that parallel version of the crew. I would love to watch it, anyway. Of course, it would never actually happen.
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 00:41(Just remembered that Spock was on Captain Pike’s ship first, so obviously Kirk had nothing to do with it. I don’t know how I forgot that; “The Menagerie” is two of my favorite episodes.)
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 02:01I got the impression that vulcans in the mirror universe were notthe pacifists of our Kirk and Spock’s universe, but more like te Romulans of our Spock’s universe. Like vulcans before Surak’s reform, when the were more savage and not in control of emotion
I rather think mirror sarek ((my iPod wants to change that to “satellite”)) might find mirror Spock rather soft, if anything
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 14:12The problem with that is why mirror Spock seems to care so much about logic if they never adopted their philosophy.
Honestly, I can’t think of any explanation that fits; maybe I’d better try to ignore it. I guess this is why there wasn’t a pinoff series.
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 16:05Couldn’t they be logical (post-Surak reform), but not pacifists? More warrior-like in their logic, hardened warriors willing to kill, etc, for their cause, when it is logical to do so? There is a logic to it, just not the same logic our Spock and his people subscribe to. But even our Spock’s Vulcans aren’t completely logical (the bullying of Spock as a child for his “half breed” status, both in TOS and Abramsverse)
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 17:08Well, of course logic doesn’t automatically imply pacifism, so it could make sense. It didn’t make sense to me because it seems to me like the Vulcans adopted the whole package so as to not destroy everything, but it’s plausible that the mirror Vulcans just didn’t want to destroy themselves and so relied on logic to not do that, so I guess I was just not really thinking there… On the face of it, it also seemed like an odd coincidence that the Vulcans and the humans happened to have been that selfish in the same universe, but upon thinking about that, there’s no reason why there can’t be more parallel universes.
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 23:45I figured it made sense in that its a mirror universe–all the races (or many of them…well, starfleet at least) are essentially the mirror of its. Where our spock and Kirk are generally speaking non violent, in the mirror verse they are not. I dunno. I didn’t put much thought into it to be honest, other than really enjoying te episode.
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 18:48So… You want them to be daleks?
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 19:21Holy cake. McCoy just slapped a pregnant woman.
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 19:47“oochie woochie coochie coo”
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in July 26th, 2013 @ 21:08Now, be fair. She wasn’t a human woman, she was stronger than he was, he had lived on her planet and understood her violent culture, and it did win her respect. She even named the baby after him.
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in July 27th, 2013 @ 02:05And not Spock. Poor Spock was so disappointed at being left out.
And I wasn’t particularly bothered by McCoy slapping her, I just wasn’t expecting it. I actually thought it was pretty hilarious, especially when it led to her letting him being the only man allowed to touch her (and te look on Spock’s face when she groped mccoy’s hand)
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in July 27th, 2013 @ 10:08I’ve finished the first season of Hannibal, and I loved it. I certainly can’t recommend it here: the fact that the whole series is based around a cannibalistic serial killer is possibly the least disturbing thing about it. If anyone else has seen it, though, we should discuss Will Graham!
Not particularly geeky: in the absence of Netflix (can’t access it here) and with my usual sci-fi shows on hiatus, I’ve been working my way through How I Met Your Mother. Although I’m not at all invested in the characters (I mean, it’s a sitcom; you’re not supposed to be) and I don’t find it as funny as it’s meant to be, I am thoroughly enjoying myself. There’s something really charming about a TV series in which all the characters are friends and, for the most part, very nice people.
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in July 27th, 2013 @ 12:36Yes I will totally discuss Will Graham with you! Along with most other aspects of the show. I had no idea what to expect and I still can’t convince any of my friends to watch it, but I have been really impressed.
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in July 27th, 2013 @ 21:30Exactly! I’ve never watched horror movies or TV shows before, but to be honest, the gory bits are a lot less scary than I’d thought they’d be (at least compared to the antler hallucinations).
It seems like everyone ships Hannibal and Will for some reason?! I don’t understand that at all.
I’m in awe of Hugh Dancy’s acting. He seems to play someone losing their grip on identity with complete logic, if that makes any sense, and it’s utterly convincing.
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 10:39Did someone say “Hannibal”?
I’ve seen the first…lessee…ah, nine episodes. I’m enjoying it loads!…And I’ve been sitting here for a few minutes, trying to think of a reply that consists of more than seconding everything you just said, before dissolving into typing ♥Hugh Dancy♥’s name boarded with hearts.
Well.
I will now take the opportunity to say: Pushing Daisies. It’s an earlier Bryan Fuller quirky mystery-solving funtimes show with a cheerier tone, unfrightening food, and ♥Lee Pace♥. It’s quite different in plot and themes, but similarly appealing. Shadowfire, you might be able to get your friends to watch it. Anyone else who is tempted by but wary of Hannibal will very much enjoy it. (And there are neat clothes and endless clever dialogue and Kirsten Chenoweth.)
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 12:54Yes, quite aside from his acting, Hugh Dancy is really good-looking. I mean. Near-David Tennant levels. (I’ll stop.) (I won’t, because according to the show’s Wikipedia page, Tennant almost got the part of Hannibal?! That would have been altogether a disturbingly attractive cast, methinks.)
Pushing Daisies is great, yeah! (Actors from that show keep showing up in Hannibal– also, Gina Torres!)
Ooh, I can’t wait until you finish the series, because I need to discuss the last episode and things that may or may not have happened (I honestly can’t tell), and certain antlered motifs. In the meantime- I started reading Red Dragon and couldn’t finish it; my imagination is a lot gorier than the show.
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 01:56So, just watched the first Sherlock episode with my parents, because I’ve been meaning to introduce them to it for awhile. Dads reaction at the end of the episode “so are they actually gay?”
Even I don’t get a ship vibe from the two of them (obviously lots of people do), but I’ve never really felt it with he two of them. So with the knowledge of the copious amounts of fanfic on the Internet, couple with the unexpectedness of sch a statement from my dad, was a really weirdly awkward question to try to answer, even though the answer us quite simply “no”.
Dad is also confused, much to my amusement, asto how season 3 is coming out soon if there have only been 6 episodes. XD
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 02:06Okay random question that contains a sort of maybe big spoiler from the Avengers movie
I keep seeing previews on abc for “agents of SHIELD” or something like that, based on marvel and avengers and shield and all that stuff I only know about from watching the recent marvel movies of the past 3 years. But isn’t that one guy (I don’t know his name), but the middle age cute one in the suit in all the previews, isn’t he the one Whedon killed off in the avengers movie? Whose death was used to unite the avengers? And whose death totally nearly made me start sobbing kn the theatre because Whedon is way too good at manipulating emotions?
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in July 28th, 2013 @ 05:59SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS AVENGERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS AVENGERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS BUT SERIOUSLY WHO HERE HASN’T SEEN AVENGERS YET SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
*cracks knuckles* Okay, my father and I were discussing this earlier and we came up with a theory.
Nick Fury has been known to lie to the Avengers before, right? He lied about those weapons, he lied about the cards in Coulson’s locker – it’s entirely possible that he lied about Coulson being dead. As he said, “they [the Avengers] needed the push,” and what better push than knowing Loki personally killed one of their top agents/friends?
In addition, the paramedics arrived pretty quickly after Coulson stopped breathing. It’s possible they, you know, did their job and got his breathing started again. BUT because Nick Fury thought the Avengers wouldn’t be inclined to play nice with each other unless they had a “push,” he let them think Coulson was dead. In reality, he was probably recovering in a secret room somewhere on the ship, or even down on the surface.
In conclusion, Coulson’s death was dramatic and made up to unite the Avengers. In fact, unless I’m remembering wrong, Fury never even mentions that Coulson has died; he just talks about the Captain America cards. So…lying by omission, I suppose.
I hope my rambling helped.
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in July 30th, 2013 @ 02:36“Captain, thank heaven.”
“Mister Scott, there was no deity involved. It was my cross-circuiting to B that recovered them.”
“Well then, thank pitchforks and pointed ears.”
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in July 30th, 2013 @ 02:47Really hard trying not to laugh hysterically at midnight with both parents in bed. Really, really, really hard when the episode opens on Kirk, Bones, and Scotty watching…..”exotic dancers”. Especially when you add in the dialog and the facial expressions.
“Do you like her, Scotty?”
“Aye. Why shouldn’t I?”
“Good. I’ve invited her to join us at the table. I thought you might like to meet her.”
“Now that’s what I call a real Captain. Always thinking of his men.”
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in July 30th, 2013 @ 02:50“there’s nothing like a walk in the fog with a bonnie lass”
Captain doesn’t sound too pleased that Scotty’s leaving with the bonnie lass…..
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in July 30th, 2013 @ 02:54THis is looking like it’s gonna be a good episode, and we’re only to the opening credits….hilarity, mystery, intrigue.
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in July 30th, 2013 @ 20:11Watching Chopped, there was a moment when they were building suspense leading up to revealing who was chopped in the second round that something happened which I’ve never noticed before. There was a sort of percussion in the background music. It sounded like knocking. There were four knocks, a pause, and then four more knocks. Then thy revealed who was leaving.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 10:22SFTDP. That should say “they” rather than “thy”. They knocked four times, and…
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 02:29I cannot take this Klingon captain seriously when he is played by the same actor as the obnoxious Trelane. All I can see is the jovial, slightly psychotic, and childish Trelane, not a Klingon. :/
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 02:40Bar fight!
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 02:56I….don’t think bisexual is the correct term for a species in which an individual can reproduce on its own without a second [opposite gendered] member of the species. I can’t think of the proper term, but I’m pretty darn sure “bisexual” is not it. Hermaphrodite, maybe, if you want to say the tribbles are both male and female, or asexual reproduction (they can produce on their own), but “bisexual”. *shrug* Maybe in the 60s. Kinda like those good ole “red corpuscles” in the episode “Obsession” (instead of red blood cells)
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 03:16I don’t know if it’s because I was expecting a super hilarious episode (or because a friend of mine clearly has different taste if she thinks “Trouble with Tribbles” is one of the best TOS episodes–she told me once that people consider it to be the best episode….I don’t know what people she’s talking about, but….I don’t think she’s right. She might think it’s the best, but…I wasn’t that impressed), or what, but I was rather let down by the Tribble ep. Sure, there were some funny bits, it wasn’t a bad episode, but I can think of many other eps I liked better (almost all of season 2, City on the Edge of Forever, among others)
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 03:21Huh. I clearly have different taste than many people, if wikipedia’s account of the episodes popularity and critical review is anything to go by. Interesting. Yes, some of the interactions between the cast was funny (but no more so than the interactions in other episodes), and Kirk covered int ribbles was amusing, but…*shrug* I wouldn’t consider it among the top 10 episodes of what I’ve watched so far. I find it rather interesting that many toher people consider it such.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 06:04I prefer the DS9 episode “Trials and Tribble-ations”. (Okay, so I’ll watch anything with Dax (who, like most joined Trill in my headcanon, is attracted to men and women at least, and is also just awesome) in it. But it was hilarious!)
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 06:48“I love classic twenty-third-century design. Black finish, silver highlights…”
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 10:25Parthenogenesis? Yeah, scientific terminology can change over time and make older documents confusing like that. I’m still trying to pin down when exactly “astrobiology” replaced “exobiology” as the preferred term for the science of searching for life beyond Earth.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 11:40Yesssssss. Parthenogenesis. Thanks.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 14:37Answer man to the rescue! In fact, I remember when the transformation happened.
Science-fiction fans had long been familiar with “exobiology” and “xenobiology” as names for the study of extraterrestrial life, but most of the handful of scientists who did research along those lines called themselves other things: planetary geologists, atmospheric scientists, and various kinds of biologists and chemists.
“Astrobiology” started in the mid- to late 1990s as a rebranding exercise by NASA scientists who hoped that inventing a new discipline would help them get more money for research. Daniel Goldin, then the head of NASA, began using the term in speeches in 1995. My magazine, Science, reported in June 1996 that NASA’s Ames Research Center, near Mountain View, California, had dropped plans to create an astrobiology institute. (Ames already had a small exobiology branch, headed by a scientist named Sherwood Chang.) Kenneth Nealson and other researchers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena forged ahead and by March 1998 had created their own astrobiology institute. In April 1998, NASA Ames finally opened a “virtual” Astrobiology Institute, which linked teams from 11 different institutions to try to bring E.T.-life research under one umbrella. In October 1998, the University of Washington, Seattle, started what claimed to be the first Ph.D. program in astrobiology, even though NASA’s astrobiology program was still struggling and disorganized.
NASA got its act together, however. In April 2000, NASA Ames hosted the First Astrobiology Science Conference, which drew scientists from 30 countries. Nealson was there, along with James Kasting of Pennsylvania State University, Bruce Jakosky from the University of Colorado at Boulder, David Deamer of the University of California at Santa Cruz, and about 600 others. At that point, our writer reported, few scientists actually called themselves astrobiologists; most went by their older disciplines and adopted “astrobiologist” as a second identity, mainly to apply for grant money from NASA. People still thought “astrobiology” sounded gimmicky, and nobody was sure it would last.
Nowadays, though, astrobiology is firmly entrenched and has almost entirely supplanted exobiology. (My own sentimental favorite, xenobiology, is ancient history, alas.) Such is the power of money and organization.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 16:02KaiYves,
Searching through further back issues, I see that in 1992 NASA set up a virtual exobiology research group based at the Scripps Research Institute and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California. The group’s principal investigators were five chemists — Stanley Miller, Leslie Orgel, Gustaf Arrhennius, Jeffrey Bada, and Gerald Joyce — who were supposed to coordinate research into the origin of life.
At some point in the 1990s, the momentum shifted from exobiology to astrobiology and from Scripps to JPL and Ames. Working out exactly how that happened and who was resposible could make a good topic for a paper.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 19:41The 90s, that sounds about right with the sources I’d seen using one or the other. Exobiology goes have the appeal of having an “x” in it, but the field is so interesting that it doesn’t really matter.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 19:44Xenobiology had an “x” as its first letter. And technically, “astrobiology” means “life on stars.” There’s no justice in the universe.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 20:25Yeah, but it’s pronounced as part of “zeh”/”kzeh”, not “ecks”.
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in July 31st, 2013 @ 20:33Details, details.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 12:49So there’s a new episode of Night Vale. I know it’s more of a radio show but I figured y’all should know and this is the thread where it’s most relevant.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 17:44VAGUE WELCOME TO NIGHT VALE SPOILERS I GUESS SORT OF
The literal first thing I did this morning upon waking up was download the new ep and listen to it over breakfast. It’s more of a generic episode than a plot-arc episode (i.e. no mention of Carlos, Dana, the Man in the Tan Jacket, etc.), but it was still really good. I will regard all summer reading programs with intense suspicion from now on.
I suspect they’re alternating plot-arc episodes with generic episodes as shows tend to do, which means that the next episode should have more plot-arc-y things in it. Which is super-exciting, as I’m still super-excited to hear about the fallout from Episode 27.
Also, this ep’s weather is still stuck in my head. I love the weather sections more and more every time I listen to them.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 22:13I love nearly all of the weather so far, which is saying something as I’m kind o picky when it comes to music most of the time. I’ve found artists I really like through Night Vale.
(Incidentally, Night Vale has a new episode the first and fifteenth of every month, so no one should have to keep checking to see if there’s a new one).
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 13:55OMG original Bones just said “You’re out of your Vulcan mind, Spock.†Abrams movies just got even more awesome (as they do everytime I find something else pulled from TOS). One of the funniest lines from the 2009 movie, “Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!â€, from Bones was actually pulled from TOS Bones personality, and I’m memntally fangirl squealing right now.
^^^thoughts from 20 minutes ago, bloggy wasn’t responding.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 13:58*Kirk snogs female thrall*
“Is this…also ‘helping’?”
“You could call it that.”
“Please, help me once again.”
*Kirk snogs thrall again*^^^OMG, seriously, Kirk. Seriously.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 14:13Kirk can’t touch green, thralls can’t touch yellow, or they lose a weapon. Kirk stepped on green barely after htey finished that pronouncement, and a thrall is stepping all over yellow, and no comment ahs been made and no weapons removed? Not very observant providers in this little game.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 15:03Five thousand quatloos that the newcomers will have to be destroyed. Yes, that one was fun.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 15:02Ooh, I liked this episode so far. An alien culture which is worshipping a book on 1920s mobsters as their bible. This is brill.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 15:21OMG OMG OMG. Spock with his sexy ears dressed as a 20s mobster. guh. This is too awesome.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 15:26Kirk and Spock trying to start a car (and Spock still all sexy gangster). Oh god this is too much for my poor brain.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 15:29Kirk trying to drive a stick shift (which to be fair I don’t know how to do either). Holy
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 15:31OMG “Captain, you are an excellent starship commander, but as a taxi driver you leave much to be desired.”
“It was that bad?”I”m dying. I’m freaking dying
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in August 3rd, 2013 @ 09:04A Piece of the Action? Oh my gosh, neither of my sisters really like TOS, and my dad always tries to get them to watch it and he always mentions this episode. I haven’t seen much of TOS but I did like that one.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 16:11So I watched a couple eps with my parents last night. (Wherein dad constantly comments on how he can’t believe he ever like TOS.thought it was good and insists on randomly talking during the show)
At one point, Spock goes to touch someone and something is said/implied about the person not wanting him to do so, and the thought crosses my mind “He can touch me if he wants to” or osmething along those lines, and then mom says something like “Michelle wouldn’t mind if he touched her.” And I start laughing and ‘yell’ at mom to stop reading my thoughts because it’s creepy.
And then last night, watching “Deadly Years” when Kirk decides it’s one of those eps where he has to wander around shirtless for awhile and Spock video messages him from the bridge (Kirk is in his cabin) and the computer screen is at stomach level because Kirk is standing, and mom says something like “So was Spock stuck looking at Kirk’s bellybutton the whole time?” And I lost it, and Dad makes a comment about “You had to set her off” and then I start laughing more and it’s awesome.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 18:33Maybe I just have a terribly dirty mind (okay, scratch that, there’s no “maybe”), but….wow. the innuendo. not even subtle.
Kirk, to Spock: When do you estimate penetration?
Spock: Slowing now. Contact in eighteen point three seconds. Brace yourselves. The area of penetration will no doubt be sensitive.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:18“Shut up, Spock, we’re rescuing you.”
“Why, thank you, Captain McCoy.”
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:23Since when is use of phasers on an alien planet “expressly prohibited?” Y’all are totally making canon up as you go, lol
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:26OMG they just shot Spock. And because I’m an idiot my first thought when he’s got green on his front and back is “oh, they’re not violent. They’re just using paintball guns. And he must have gotten grass stained on his–OMG *headdesk* you’re an idiot. He’s a Vulcan you bleeding moron, he has freaking green blood. He just got shot clean through with a bloody rifle (nevermind there’s no holes in his shirt, he’s got blood on his front and back). Moron.”
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:27Also, darn good his heart is in a different location or he’d be dead.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:48A unicorn yeti? What the cake? (Also Kirk looks like he’s making out with it, which is just….weird.)
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:55I’m not too sure I like this wife of Tyree with her aphrodisiac plant and her too keen an interest when it is mentioned that an old friend of Tyree’s is the one injured by the unicorn yeti’s bite. I don’t think I trust her.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:58Yeah….definitely don’t like her.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 20:02Okay, you know you’re too invested in a fictional character when you find yourself yelling “hey, [female dog], hands off my Spock” when a female hand is seen caressing and making out with Spock’s hand in sickbay while he’s unconscious. (Highly inappropriate to be groping and making out with an unconscious person who is not your significant other, anyway)
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 20:04“Well, a good nurse always treats her patients that way…It proves she’s interested.”
We all know you’re interested, chica, no need to prove it. Now stop. molesting. my. Vulcan.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in August 1st, 2013 @ 19:41Well, yes, in fact, they were.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 20:40Yeah….of course in retrospect, badly worded comment on my side, as technically every fiction show/story/etc is making up the canon as they go.
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Bibliophile
in August 1st, 2013 @ 21:00It’s only prohibited on planets that don’t already have that kind of technology.
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in August 1st, 2013 @ 21:17lol, yeah, they made that clearer further in. Although I feel like they’ve used it on more primitive cultures than themselves previously, but I could be wrong on that.
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 03:29Spock’s body flirting with Christine Chapel? Simultaneously hilarious, and weirding me out.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 4th, 2013 @ 03:52Well look at that. Nurse Chapel finally got her wish of having Spock inside her….if not quite the way she probably imagined it.
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 03:59“We shared consciousness together.” Yeah, I bet you enjoyed that. Finally got to mind meld (in a sense) with Spock. Poor Spock.
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Bibliophile
in August 4th, 2013 @ 12:55(MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE “RETURN TO TOMORROW” OF STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES ARE AHEAD; MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE “RETURN TO TOMORROW” OF STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES ARE AHEAD).
Hearing him smile as he told her to kill Kirk was even better/worse. It was just unnerving.
What I don’t get is why, when they “shared consciousness,” Chapel didn’t notice that Spock was obviously not interested. I guess he was able to keep some stuff from her, and she figured that out and held onto the hope that somewhere in there were feelings for her? Or something.
I was really kind of disappointed at that twist; I was all happy that she got to save the day, and it wasn’t even really her. I still quite liked the episode, though.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 4th, 2013 @ 14:04You know how I said the other day I didn’t get how someone could find Spock creepy? If you only ever watched this episode, I could get it. You know it’s not Spock inside his body, but it’s still creepy as hell and him smiling and being jovial and *shudder*. It made my skin crawl.
Although Spock smiling in “This Side of Paradise” and…other things…in that episode were sweet and seriously hot.
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 12:5712th Doctor going to be announced soon. *anticipation*
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Luna the Lovely
in August 4th, 2013 @ 13:40MAJOR SPOILERS NAME OF THE 1TH DOCTOR DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW WHO PLAYS THE 12TH DOCTOR I MEAN IT STOP READING RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
So, I’m not sure what to think. The casting wasn’t a huge surprise to me, I read something last night that said this guy was the main contender/bookies favorite/whatever, but….Peter Capaldi has had a semi major role in both Doctor Who and in Torchwood, and while I look at the guy and go “yeah, he looks like a Doctor, I could see him as one”, I also have a hard time not seeing daddy roman from “Fires of Pompeii” or the evil bastard from Children of Earth whose throat I want to rip out (goddamn Frobisher), and I think it will be a bit weird hving somebody whose already had such a major role in the DW/TW universe cast as the Doctor–because unlike the companions that were previously on the show, he had a pretty big part, not just a teeny tiny part (Freema I-can’t-spell-her-last-name aka Martha Jones) or a part covered in makeukp in addition to being small (Karen Gillan aka Amy Pond).
I’ve reserving judgement until I see him as the Doctor–if he can act it without me seeing daddy Roman/Frobisher, I think he’ll be fantastic. If he can’t? It’ll be a bit weird.
But I like that the Doctor has stopped deaging, it’s good to have a more mature actor in the role. So glad Moffat didn’t go the female Doctor route–he had me terrified for a bit during the special.
So all in all, I’ve got a fairly positive reaction to the casting, just not entirely sure if he’ll be able to manage the part without me seeing daddy roman/frobisher. We shall see.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 4th, 2013 @ 14:13On second thought, reading some stuff on the internet, I’d forgotten that Romana II took the appearance of a charachter that had very recently played an extremely major role (and despite my first initial reservations on that, because it was a bit weird having that actress now as a companion, I actually really liked Romana II) so it’s totally not unprecedented and I think this will work. He really has the look of a Doctor.
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 13:31!!!
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 14:01???
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 15:46The Doctor?
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 14:18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 16:13Season 3 of TOS mostly seems about as good as the first 2 so far (although I’m not far enough into it to really know), but “Spock’s Brain” was really as bad as Wikipedia said. I mean, really (SPOILERS FOLLOW). The plot felt ridiculous, but that wasn’t the first time. It was extremely annoying when everyone automatically assumed that whoever was in charge had to be male, but that was not terribly surprising as it was a show made in the ’60s. What was awful was the resolution. These people have no sun; they’re getting light and heat and presumably food from their machines, which they don’t understand… and Kirk thinks they’ll manage to survive? McCoy said they have the minds of children. It’s apparently due to underuse and not a trait inherent in their species or a disability they all happen to have–but it was not at all clear that he knew that, and furthermore, it doesn’t matter, because they have until the next power outage or machine malfunction to figure out everything. The only ways they could possibly live would be figuring out how it all works before then (even though they have no knowledge of that sort of thing, and Scotty said they were so complex they must have been invented by a mechanical genius), writing down the knowledge from the knowledge machine thing (but they clearly don’t want to use the knowledge machine thing at all, and also, we don’t know that they have a writing system), or invent space travel. Otherwise, there is no way they can live because they don’t have a sun. And they tried to tell this to Kirk, and he said (I’m paraphrasing, of course), “Don’t think so negatively! You’ll find a way to survive; I believe in you! Besides, I know people who had even less to work with than you, and they lived because of natural selection!” (He seriously brought natural selection into this. I don’t know how it works in the Star Trek universe, but here, it means that if an individual lacks the resources to live and also lacks the means to make up for those resources, then it dies before it has the chance to produce any offspring, and if that’s true of an entire race, it goes extinct.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:53He also said the humans would stay and help them for awhile. he wasn’t jsut abandoning them to figure it all out on their own.
And even if he *was* just abandoning them to their fate, the only other option was to let Spock die, which is really not a valid option……
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in August 4th, 2013 @ 19:21I don’t think this counts as a spoiler, but it won’t make much sense if you don’t know who’s playing the twelfth Doctor.
Was anyone else’s first reaction upon learning the identity of the person playing the next Doctor something along the lines of “OK… Who is that?”
I know now that I’ve done some research, of course. But I didn’t immediately recognize him.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 4th, 2013 @ 19:41SPOILERS DOR TWELFTH DOCTOR TOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
It wasn’t my reaction because last night I’d seen an article mentioning the actor as being one of the favorites for the twelfth. And is just watched fires of Pompeii a couple nights prior with my mom so I immediately recognized him from that. His torchwood role I didn’t remember until I looke up his acting history last night (and laughs my butt off and thought it would be ironic if he was the doctor since he apparently played “who doctor” on world war z). Had I not seen that article I would have recognized him from doctor who, but not known anything else
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Rebecca Lasley (Administrator)
in August 5th, 2013 @ 09:03Check out “Local Hero” from the early 1980s. Capaldi played a nerdy oil company employee who falls in love with a mermaid of sorts (she’s a marine biologist). It’s a very Muserly film.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 11:54Wow. That sounds interesting.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 13:31I’ve seen that! I wish I could remember it better.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 13:35Wowzers. Can we put my Vulcan in plainclothes every episode? Because damn if he doesn’t look good in jeans and a jean shirt (even with the ugly too large sweater) and a stocking cap covering his ears (which shouldnt’ be hot, because it covers his ears and his ears are hot, but somehow it is still super duper hot).
I’m going to like this episode on this basis, alone. And Kirk in plainclothes is pretty delish too, just not as much as my Vulcan……yummy
(No, I will not apologize for my shameless drooling)
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Luna the Lovely
in August 5th, 2013 @ 13:38An episode modeled after Nazi Germany? To steal a word….”fascinating”.
This is definitely shaping up to be a good episode (even if we didn’t have yummy plainclothes Spock and Kirk)
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 13:43OMG this is the Kirk and Spock shirtless in a prison cell episode! *finally* I’ve been anticipating this episode (what can I say. Finally Spock takes off his shrit as well, not just Kirk. I’ve been expecting it every episode they get captured on an earth like world).
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 13:53“I….don’t care….if you hit the broadside of a barn. Just hurry.”
“Captain, why should I aim at such a structure?”OMG this is killing me. Especially with the hotness and the dialogue and…Hi. My name is Luna. I’m a shameless fangirl.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 15:06“I dont’ usually go around beating up beautiful women.”
“Why not?”
“Well, there are better things for men and women to do.”Gee, I wonder what you could possibly have in mind Kirk. Is kissing and sex and seduction the only way you know to get out of situations?
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 15:14“This cultural mystique surrounding the biological function.”
“Yes?”
“You realize humans are overly preoccupied with the subject.”
“Yes. We do think a great deal about it.”
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 17:48SPOILERS SPOILERS OLD WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS FLASHPOINT SPOILERS SPOILERS.SPOILERS SPOILERS OLD WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS FLASHPOINT SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I just watched “Flashpoint” and I couldn’t help thinking “Wow. I’m watching the very first time a companion has left the show.” Aside from that, though, I am NOT a fan of love stories in any form, and of all the companions I’ve ever seen I dislike Susan the most. And yet, somehow, the ending of this episode manages to tug at the heartstrings, just a bit. It’s really quite something, in my opinion.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 17:54Well that’s….unexpected. Even if I did figure “Yangs” out mere seconds before Kirk did.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 18:51“The ship reacted more rapidly than human control could have maneuvered her. Tactics, deployment of weapons, all indicate an immense sophistication in computer control.”
“Machine over man, Spock? It was impressive. It might even be practical.”
“Practical, Captain? Perhaps. But not desirable. Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them. Captain the starship also runs on loyalty to one man, and nothing can replace it, or him”
Well, now. That almost sounds like Spock-speak for “I love you Captain and no machine no matter how logical and efficient could every replace your illogicalness and leadership”. Which the whole thing is ridiculously sweet given how much Spock always lauds the superiority of computers
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 20:17Really? We had to take the last minute of the episode to preach religion? I was rather enjoying it until then, plus I like having the last minute be humorous repartee between the three leads.
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in August 5th, 2013 @ 23:11Didn’t really notice it earlier, but rewatching “bread and circuses” I realized there was another acknowledgement of spocks feelings
Bones: “why you wouldn’t know what to do with a genuine, warm, decent feeling. ”
“Really, doctor?” *gives him a meaningful look*
Bones: “I know, I’m worried about Jim, too”They as good as said Spock had swarm, decent feelings aka love for Jim.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 01:13Deela: He’s trying to communicate with the Vulcan. [She grins.] His species is… capable of much affection.
Rael: I had noted that.
Deela: I wonder if they will demonstrate it to us.
…Just what kind of a demonstration is she apparently expecting Kirk and Spock to give her? Because… the way she delivered those lines (and, I mean, the lines themselves)…
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Luna the Lovely
in August 12th, 2013 @ 17:31I hadn’t read this when you posted it, because I wasn’t to that episode yet, but I just watched that scene….yeah. She’s definitely looking for that kind of demonstration.
I very nearly reposted those lines, to be honest….
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 02:48Watching “Assignment: Earth”, and Spock mentioned “There will be an important assassination today….”
The ep aired on March 29, 1968 (which 22 years later marked a very special event, lol). While looking up historical info on 1968/nuclear missiles/etc because historical timelines were never something I’ve been good at, apparently MLK Jr was assassinated April 4, 1968, just 6 days later. I feel like that would have been rather freaky if you watched the Star Trek ep, remembered themention of assassination, and then MLK Jr was assassinated. I would find that freaky.
Also, Gandalf saw the cat in the guys arms, tracked it walking across the transporter room floor, and when I paused the ep for a moment, got up, walked behind my computer all offended and left. I dont’ think he likes me sharing my bed with another cat (he hates other cats)
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Luna the Lovely
in August 6th, 2013 @ 02:55This episode reminds me of something, and I can’t think what. But it’s a weird sense of almost de ja vu. except not. because i know i’ve not seen this ep, but something about it (the plot, c haracters, i don’t know?) seems familiar.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 03:30I rather liked that episode.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 03:32Apparently it was to be a backdoor pilot for a spin off series….too bad that wasn’t realized, as I think that could have been quite good.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 10:13They also accidentally predicted what day of the week the Apollo 11 launch would be in another episode.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 14:55They turned the text blue. what the cake.
((starting series 3. Hoping “Spock’s Brain” is not as bad as apparently it is thought to be based ont eh first sentence of randomosity’s earlier post which i did not read past the word “spoilers”. I’d been looking forward to it because it has “Spock” in the title,a nd Spock is pwnsome, so hoping it’s not as bad as many apparently think….))
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 14:59SEMI MAJOR SPOILERS FOR SPOCK’S BRAIN YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED.
You bleeping took Spock’s brain out you bloody TOOK IT OUT. If you were real you evil little female dog I would bleeping kill you. And Kirk, dont’ you dare go all snoggy face with her later in the episode or I”ll bloody kill you too.
((No, I don’t yell at my computer screen while watching STar Trek, what on eartha re you talking about))
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:02Take him….take him with you? To steal a phrase fromt he Abrams movie, are you out of your cornfed mind?!
((Also, I like the first 8 minutes so far.))
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:07So….we;re beaming down to a glaciated planet without any kind of coats or anything to keep warm? Intelligent as always, Captain Kirk.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:20“Captain, there is a definite pleasurable experience connected with the hearing of your voice.”
Oh, Spock, lol
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:38That was my post. I wrote that when I’d just seen the ending, though, and I was still upset about it. (It made me yell at the computer screen). I definitely enjoyed parts of it, but the ending was just so unsatisfactory that I can’t like the episode as a whole.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:50And by Randomosity I meant Biblio. Oops.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 20:52What?? How dare you not mean me!
Just kidding.By the way, I may not watch Star Trek, but pretty much everyone I know has yelled at a TV and/or computer they were watching a show on at least once.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 15:48Why is there a still shot of a vulcanized Kirk during the end of episode credit sequence of Spock’s brain. That is like the creepiest looking thing. *shudder*
Also, I actually rather liked “Spock’s Brain”
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 16:00Huh. Kinda reminds me of my recent feelings on individual Doctor Who eps compared to other people (where the ones I like are the ones most others hate, and vice versa): Spock’s Brain is apparently considered one of THE worst TOS eps, Trouble with Tribbles one of the best, but I enjoyed Spock’s Brain far more htan I enjoyed the Tribble episode. It wasn’t the best episode, but there’s other episode I like less (and of course others that i like more, too). I’d consider it a fairly average Trek ep, and Tribbles slightly subpar, personally.
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in August 6th, 2013 @ 18:17Vulcanized like melted? (I kid, I kid, although that would also be creepy.)
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 16:33What the cake is going on with Kirk.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 16:43Spock. I know you’re planning something. What’s going on in that Vulcan head of yours.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 16:48SORT OF KIND OF NOT EXACTLY MAJOR SPOILERS BUT KIND OF SPOILERY AND I WOULDN’T WANT TO KNOW BEFORE WATCHING THE EPISODE FOR “ENTERPRISE INCIDENT”
Oh my god. Vulcan/Romulan Kirk is….that’s the creepiest bloody thing I’ve seen. Leonard Nimoy with pointed ears and upturned eyebrows is attractive and awesome. Shatner is, god, it makes my skin crawl. He’s freaking creepy looking. *shudder*
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:01SORT OF KIND OF NOT EXACTLY MAJOR SPOILERS BUT KIND OF SPOILERY AND I WOULDN’T WANT TO KNOW BEFORE WATCHING THE EPISODE FOR “ENTERPRISE INCIDENTâ€
It…..it is incredibly nice (and hilarious and just wow) to see Spock using the good ole Kirk method of making out with and seducing enemy women in order to get himself out of situations/further a mission/whatever.
Because the scene with him flirting his Vulcan butt off with the Romulan woman and then snogging her senseless (albeit the Vulcan way with fingers and not lips), I think is one of my new top favorite scenes, because it’s all sorts of win and it’s great to see someone other than Kirk getting a bit of fun….
I was already finding this a really really good episode, this just made it better.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:19“Captain, please go. Somehow they [Vulcan/Romulan ears] do not look aesthetically agreeable on humans.”
I’m afraid I must agree.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:25SORT OF KIND OF NOT EXACTLY MAJOR SPOILERS BUT KIND OF SPOILERY AND I WOULDN’T WANT TO KNOW BEFORE WATCHING THE EPISODE FOR “ENTERPRISE INCIDENTâ€
So apparently, according to wikipedia: “The first draft script had Spock “raining kisses on every square inch above the shoulder” of the Romulan Commander, but this was changed, at Nimoy’s insistence, to the more demure finger caresses. Fontana has pointed out in recent years that the “raining kisses” scene was actually an embellishment by Gene Roddenberry-one of the few he applied to third season scripts—and that the original script submitted had only an embrace and kiss, with most of the passion being delivered by the Romulan commander.”
I think that was actually very good that Nimoy had them change it to finger caresses (Vulcan kissing), because “raining kisses on every square inch” is not very Spockian, even when he is seducing an enemy commander to successfully complete a mission. THat’s more somethign Kirk would do. ((Although I wish there was like a deleted scene somewhere where they’d filmed it and then not used it, because, um, I’d totally watch that…yeah….))
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 16:46In which episode?
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:19Never mind.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:19Enterprise Incident. Finished it now, excellent episode.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 16:51Chock (and Shadowfire? and possibly others), I finished Hannibal earlier this week.
I…I…I…
Yes, please, let’s talk about Certain Things That May or May Not Have Happened.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS FOR HANNIBAL SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
‘Kay, as far as ~the veal~ goes, I think it’s a fake-out. I hope it’s a fake-out. {Worried nod} I think it’s a fake-out.
When not worrying about various characters and internally yelling at Dr. Lecter, my Hannibal thoughts have been disproportionately focused on trying to figure out what Dr. DuMaurier (sp?) knows, or thinks she knows. My conclusion is that I don’t know.
Hm…I had had A List of Topics, which has been lost. Please tell me what you what specific things you want to speculate on/ ask my opinion of/ squee about/ fret about!
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Choklit Orange
in August 8th, 2013 @ 12:27HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS DANGER OF TERRIBLY SPOILERY SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS SEASON ONE HANNIBAL SPOILERS BELOW
I didn’t think DuMaurier knew anything until she dined with Lecter. After their creepy-as-heck conversation (“Controversial dish, veal…”) and the look she gave him, though, I think she at the very least knows he’s manipulating Will (they discussed cows being slaughtered at a young age, which to me suggested Will’s innocence in some way, but I could be totally wrong there). I thought the veal was people, though; they’ve made every attempt to make it look like everything Lecter has fed the others is Definitely Not Ordinary Meat.
How much evidence do you think there is to tie Will to the other murders? All we seem to know about at the moment are the fishing lures, which I think he could claim to have taken from the crime scene while examining it if he needed to, thus confusing his mental illness diagnosis while leaving him with Abigail’s murder as the biggest charge.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 19:14This turned long very quickly. Sorry, moderating GAPA!
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I agree with most of what you say about the “veal” dinner. I’m still questioning other things about her behavior and remarks. I think next season we’re going to get more information on the patient who attacked her. Du Maurier’s remark that she had told Jack only that Lecter had referred that patient to her, and her Veal Dinner remark that “they’re beginning to figure out your pattern…of becoming attached to subsequently violent patients” seems to me to indicate that she was covering up Important Details.
Which brings me to: Do you think she continues to treat Lecter post-retirement of her own free will? I wonder.
As you can see, after the last two episodes, I acquired lots of Thoughts about Dr. Du Maurier. Heh, she isn’t even a character I particularly like. I should move on to Will! I like Will!
Hmm, Cerulean says, hmm. The amount of evidence may hinge on how long Lecter was planning to frame Will. I suspect it started when he knew he wanted Will’s friendship–so, “Fromage.” (Can you keep them straight by title? I can’t. That’s the one with the orchestra murder, and Will and Alana kissing, and the start of the animal sounds.) That would mean that the murders of Cassie Boyle and Marissa have only after-the-fact “evidence”, which might be determinable.
He’s already denied the fishing lures. I don’t think changing his stance would help his credibility.
Oh! Oh, I meant to ask before: Do you think Will remembers that he figured out that Lecter is the Horned King? And, y’know, believes and trusts that conclusion? His expression at the very end made me think a cautious yes to the first, maybe to the second.
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 01:07HANNIBAL SEASON ONE SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS HANNIBAL SPOILERS
I think she did agree to treat Lecter of her own free will- but as to her motives, I’m not sure. I think she’s drawn to whatever psychiatric problems she sees in him. Actually, I might be changing my answer about the veal: I think she strongly suspects but is not completely, utterly certain; otherwise she wouldn’t pry.
(I can’t keep them straight by title, either; I suppose it’d be easier if I knew the order of courses in traditional French meals.) I agree with you about Fromage; the only earlier point I can think of is in the fifth episode (called Coquilles, in which the murderer is nicknamed the Angel-maker and Gina Torres(!) is Crawford’s wife. Lecter is definitely turning Will against Crawford at that point, but I can’t tell what his motives are.
I think he remembers that he figured out about Lecter, and that he does trust that conclusion. It depends, I suppose, on how able he was at the end of the episode to analyse his own mental state and remember that Lecter had manipulated him (“wind him up and watch him go”): if he could work that out, then I think he’d know that Lecter was the killer.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:05Marta: Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate.
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all–
Garth: YOU WROTE THAT?!
Marta: Yesterday, as a matter of fact!
Garth: It was written by an Earth man named Shakespeare a long time ago!
Marta: Which does NOT alter the fact that I wrote it again yesterday!
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 17:29Bibli –
When I saw that in the Recent Comments bar, I thought you were quoting the Doctor Who episode with Shakespeare and had misspelled Martha’s name.Speaking of Doctor Who, I’m watching the First Doctor story arc “The Romans”. I haven’t seen that much of it yet, but I’m thoroughly enjoying it so far! It seems much more historically based than the Roman era episode I’d seen previously, “Fires of Pompeii”. The Latin student in me is having a bit of a field day. Also, I’ve seen enough episodes in a row that I’m now thinking in Barbara’s voice.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 19:12MAJOR SPOILERS “PARADISE SYNDROME; STAR TREK TOS SEASON 3 SPOILERS YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED
Oh, wow. Just…wow. I didn’t see that twist coming. Holy cake. I mean, yeah, there’s probably lots of Kirk babies running around, but damn. He knocked his indian wife up. That’s….wow. WHen she said “I’ve got a surprise for you” I was just OMG, you’re pregnant. No. But she’s pregnant. That’s…well, I shouldn’t be surprised, and now I’m quite sure even mroe than before that something dreadful is going to happen to her (I figured something would the moment they got hitched, because prettys ure Kirk doesn’t live the rest of the show out with a wife), but wow.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 19:28Talk about depressing.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 19:30And I was about to make a comment about how the sucky thing about the stand aloneness of each Trek ep is we’ll never see the fallout of the events dealt with. But looking at the production order, this episode came right before “Enterprise Incident” (instead of after). In that order, Kirk’s behavior at the beginning, McCoy’s analysis of him, would make far far more sense than explanations provided in that episode.
but still.
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in August 7th, 2013 @ 21:02THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS MAJOR (IF SOMEWHAT VAGUE) SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE “THE MARK OF GIDEON” OF STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES. These people believe that life is sacred, so they consider abortion and contraception and so on murder, but using a third party as essentially a biological weapon against sentient, self-aware, innocent citizens (radically shortening the lifespans of everyone on the planet for an indefinite future period, including the people who didn’t yet exist and had no say) is totally okay?
Abstinence, apparently, was so absolutely horrible for any of them to contemplate that they wouldn’t even do it to save all their lives and more importantly, their descendants’ lives (er… the lives of the descendants of those who already had kids). I mean, really. They were killing countless innocent people in the future who would otherwise live hundreds of years more because they personally did not want to do abstinence. That is… awful.
I get the impression it’s not so much that these people are selfish as that they’re just… well, stupid. Because these people are willing to die to stop the overpopulation, even if they aren’t willing to collectively start abstinence. It’s just that it is totally unnecessary. There is no reason they should have to die to save anyone else, and if they’re just suicidal rather than altruistic, then they can have the decency not to kill trillions of innocent people in the future as well. And I was being conservative with “trillions.”
(Also, while overpopulation would be a problem in that kind of situation, it would not be that much of a problem. Typically, when death rates decrease, birth rates do, too, if more slowly; that’s just how it works.
Also, maybe I missed something, but why didn’t everybody on the planet starve?)
…I just finished the episode, and… Did Kirk just cure Odona and send her back and apparently not intend to do anything further? Because while their idea was horrible, he just made it impossible for them to carry out and then as far as I can tell didn’t even go help them think of other ideas. Maybe they’ll think of something on their own, but seriously, you don’t ruin someone’s plan to save their planet (even if that isn’t really what it does) and then just leave. Granted, they’d probably do the same thing over again if he went back, but he could send someone else, or they could communicate another way–and I guess I don’t know that that didn’t happen. It would have been nice to have some indication, though.
Um, sorry, that wasn’t supposed to be so long.
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in August 15th, 2013 @ 01:25Biblio–
MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE “THE MARK OF GIDEON†OF STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES.
MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE “THE MARK OF GIDEON†OF STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES.Yes, Kirk did cure Odona and send her back to the planet, but he did NOT make it impossible for them to carry out their plan. Odona, having been cured, is now like Kirk–she’s got the virus in her blood. She didn’t die like their original plan (which was to ahve her die, proving that this disease would “cure” the problem), but she can supply the blood serum with the virus in it to infect the other people on the planet. She’s doing what they wanted Kirk to do.
So while he may not have helped them think of other ideas, he did not hinder their plan, aside from arranging for Odona to be the carrier for the disease, rather than himself.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 09:30Haven’t seen the episode, but just wanted to point out that abstinence isn’t an effective form of birth control because it’s too prone to user error.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 14:52Few things creepier than “evil” children
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 15:31Those poor children.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 15:52Just realized Scotty’s in a kilt. Was busy being slightly irritated by what was, even for Kirk, a bit more than the usual objectification of women (hello, more to a pretty woman than just her looks, and this one may be pretty, but I’m fairly certain she’s also up to some nefarious plots) that I didn’t even notice the kilt at first.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 16:14“Her telepathic powers are formidable. If it is at all possible, her mind must be so engaged that no thought of what I am doing shall intrude.”
“I think that could be arranged.”Kirk…..tell me you’re not thinking what I think you’re thinking. How do you run a starship when that’s all you think about, ever?
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 16:20Well, that was unexpected. Although it potentially explains a couple things.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 17:20So after admitting that I only just recently learned who Wil Wheaton is (but it’s okay, I’ll be to TNG before too long), I find it hilarious when actors in various fandoms are sneaking pics of each other and posting them on their social media.
I was just on one social media site where I follow John barrowman, and he’s got a “sneaky pic” of a random couple that I”ll be honest, I didn’t recognize (comments by others revealed it to be Wil Wheaton and his wife) and at least one other pic of Wheaton stowing his luggage in the overhead on a plane they’re both on (why do I never run into anybody interesting on planes/in airports?). On a different social media, Wheaton’s got a pic of Barrowman on board the plane (with a comment about this being the weirdo following him around taking pictures).
There’s somethign warm and fuzzy about knowing that people you fangirl over (John Barrowman), are fanboys of people themselves (and it’s even better when they’re fanboys of something you’re a fan of albeit currently indirectly as I have yet to get to TNG).
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 17:41Alright, well that was random. Wild West it is. Let’s see if it’s better than both Wild West Doctor Who eps (the First Doctor one wasn’t bad I dont’ think, I don’t remember; the eleventh Doctor one not great).
Ooooh, maybe we can get Spock and Kirk dressed up like they belong in the wild west? Because that would be fantastic.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 17:58Oh. Oh my god. Because I’m cluelessly clueless when it comes to remembering dates and places etc etc, I just googled the wild west setting for this Trek ep…..and then the First Doctor episode from the Wild West.
They’re both set at the same time and same place (of course hte Doctor Who ep came 2 years earlier in real life, but the same time in the show). My universes just collided. The Doctor and Spock and Captain Kirk were all in the same place at the same time and how did they not run into each other (yes, I know it’s fiction, go away, I’m just thinking how awesome it would ahve been if there had somehow been a crossover. OMG, I bet you anything some fan’s written a crossover….
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 18:17Both Doctor’s (THE Doctor) and McCoy went to the dentists…. :/
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 18:20Oh my god. There’s an official crossover comic book serires between Eleven, Amy, and Rory and TNG. I….what is this insanity. Mind=blown
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 18:22Is….Chekov’s “girlfriend” wearing a sponge on her head? As in, an actual sea sponge? Because it sure looks like a sponge with a bow attached.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 18:30I always like thinking about times where two works of fiction are set in the same place at the same time. Like, if you counted up all the fictional Titanic passengers invented in stories about the ship, would there be more than the passengers of the actual Titanic?
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in August 11th, 2013 @ 08:58Ooh, opportunity to reference a different series! “North Star” from Enterprise is Wild West. Sort of.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 18:05I finished TOS! And that was a really bad series finale. But I finished it!
…Well, I haven’t seen “The Trouble with Tribbles” yet, but that’s because it’s my dad’s favorite episode, and he wants me to watch it for the first time with him, which means waiting for it to come on TV. But still.
I’m watching the second episode of the animated series now.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 18:54Not happy that apparently my disc 2 has a 3 minute damaged area in the middle of “Spectre of the Gun”. DVDs were bought brand new, they should not have any kind of damaged area that my computer feels necessary to skip over. *glower*
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 19:31How bizarre. That section plays fine on the DVD payer we’ve got hooked up to our television, just apparently damaged and unreadable by my (far far newer) computer. That’s….stupid.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 20:24I know this doesn’t change the fact that damaged DVDs are annoying, but you can watch the entire episode (or the 3 minutes you need) for free on the CBS website, legally.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 21:24…Never mind.
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in August 8th, 2013 @ 22:23Oh, I know. And I did end up catching those 3 minutes online before later sticking the DVD into the DVD player attached to the TV to see if it played in that. It’s just frustrating–I’d think a newer player should be more able to read damaged areas than an old player.
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 15:10And another 3 minutes that my computer won’t play due to “skipping over damaged area”, right in the middle of a klingon swordfight. Seriously? This is stupid. Now I’m afraid that when I watch the star trek movies on the plane/animated series depending on where i’m at, that they’ll have imaginary damaged areas, as well, and I can’t go online or switch DVD players while on a darn plane. Grrrrrrrrr.
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 15:53Although it is the same disc, albeit a different episode. With any luck it’s just this single disc…..
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 16:02Well, now. That is not the crewmember I expected you to say….
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 17:19Xenopolycythemia? So…an alien disease that causes increased numbers of red blood cells, by any chance? Polycythemia being the outdated but still commonly used [not outdated in the 60s, of course] term for erythrocytosis?
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 18:08Nice spacesuits. *snicker*
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 18:11Very….sparkly. The future appears to be into sparkly. Sparkly spacesuits,sparkly medical bandages; somebody please tell me there aren’t sparkly vampires. Please?
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 18:53SEMI MAJOR SPOILERS “THOLIAN WEB” MAJOR SPOILERS DO NOT READ IF YOU DON’T WANT ANY SPOILERS
Spock’s memorial service for Kirk. Heartbreaking. Nearly made me cry. ((I’m overly sentimental and emotional))
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 19:34So I’m counting up the number of times Spock says “fascinating” in TOS because it’s me and I do weird stuff like that. And I have a handy dandy website that has transcripts of all the episodes so it take almost no time at all to do a CMD+F.
So far:
11 “fascinatings” in season 1 and 1 “fascination”
33 “fascinatings” in season 2
16 by end of “Tholian Web” in season 3, and I’m sure more to come.Not sure why the internet seems to think he’s only said it 49 times in TOS? THat’s already 60, and I’m being very careful to only count instances when Spock himself has said it, not other characters.
And the most times he says fascinating in one episode is 6 times in “Spock’s Brain”, at least as of 9 episodes into season 3 (Tholian Web). The max for any other ep so far is 3.
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in August 10th, 2013 @ 03:38Has it ever occurred to you that “Fascinating” is an emotional response, and therefore dreadfully un-Vulcan?
“Significant” would be a more appropriate Vulcan response to a discovery that imparts new knowlege.
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in August 10th, 2013 @ 13:11I’d never actually put thought into the emotionalism behind the word. But I think every but Spock knows he’s actually quite prone to displays if emotion despite his protests.
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 20:30…I am not really that impressed with TAS so far. “Beyond the Farthest Star” was okay but felt… empty. I enjoyed “Yesteryear,” but there were little details that bothered me, like the Guardian of Forever sounding so different from in TOS and the fact that Vulcans are polytheists and most importantly the fact that there was no explanation for (SPOILER FOR “YESTERYEAR”) Ichiya’s death (END SPOILER). “One of Our Planets Is Missing” had way too many problems… and I only just started “The Lorelai Signal,” but it seems that everyone is straight (well, all the males and none of the females are attracted to females); also, why the cake would Spock find the sound of a Vulcan marriage drum alluring. I mean, think about the last time he heard one. That was not a pleasant experience. I’m only 3 minutes in, and he’s out of character already; I have a feeling this is going to continue.
I’m also having to try to ignore the horrible animation quality, which is worse than the special effects in the original and is annoying rather than amusing (like the really bad costumes and such in TOS were) because I want facial expressions.
Okay, I’m 11 minutes into “The Lorelai Signal,” and everything about is just making me cringe.
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in August 9th, 2013 @ 20:44…Did they just take a 99.7 chance they’d be killed all at once? It would have been just as easy to try it with just one person first to make sure it worked.
Much more importantly, it was totally unnecessary because they had the exact same problem in a TOS episode and found a safe solution. There is no reason at all they couldn’t use that again.
…I definitely don’t think I’m going to be considering this canon, although I’m certainly going to watch the rest.
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in August 11th, 2013 @ 06:19I wish to thank all the contributors to this thread, and especially the ubiquitous Luna, for saving me lots of time and a bit of cash. I could no doubt obtain DVDs of the original series of Star Trek, but I doubt they’d be anywhere near as entertaining as the summaries I read here.
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 12:28One of my sonic screwdrivers (the one that’s actually a replica, not one of the homemade ones) keeps showing up in random places I don’t remember leaving it.
OK, back to the relevant post. I have a question for all Classic Whovians here, which I think you will find intriguing…
SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST DOCTOR SPOILERS SPOILERS THE DALEK INVASION OF EARTH SPOILERS SPOILERS. SPOILERS SPOILERS DOCTOR WHO SPOILERS SPOILERS FIRST DOCTOR SPOILERS SPOILERS THE DALEK INVASION OF EARTH SPOILERS SPOILERS.
So, in the end of “The Dalek Invasion of Earth” Susan stays with the human man she fell in love with on Earth in the future. She has no TARDIS anymore, although she is a Time Lord (or whatever the female equivalent is), because The Doctor took it with him. I haven’t watched past “The Romans” but I’ve done a little research and it seems that she’s only properly in the show again in “The Five Doctors” about which I can find no statement indicating she dies. The Doctor visits her in a few spin-offs but that’s all, as far as I can tell. I see no mention anywhere of her being called to fight in the Time War. I know I’m spoiling parts of the series for myself, but I really don’t mind. What I want to know is this: is there any reason to think Susan isn’t still alive on Earth in the future? Because if not, The Doctor still isn’t the only Time Lord left.
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 16:10Wait. Spock is wearing flesh colored underwear. Very very very snug flesh colored underwear, with the camera angle giving us what Into Darkness denied on the bridge scene in the tight Starfleet scuba uniforms–a close up shot of Spock’s butt with his very short toga not leaving a thing to the imagination when he bends over.
No, I did not replay the scene in slow motion to figure out if I saw what I thought I saw (which was me not convinced of the presence of underwear)–I deny doing any such thing.
But seriously, I actually had to pause it as Spock started singing (which OMG, Spock singing, he’s going to sing, I think I’m in heaven) because OMG did Spock just flash the camera.
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 16:16What is this evil computer trickery. You can’t take screenshots of DVD Player? da;lfjkdsaklghsdlakfj;
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 16:33OMG Spock singing beats out his flashing the camera on levels of awesomely “what the cake” and just wow.
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 16:40I actually feel sorry for Nurse Chapel here. Her whole Spock love thing where she gropes him all the time gets on my nerves, but I have to actually feel bad for her that she’s finally getting a little of what she desperately wants, but it’s been perverted into an unwilling rape-y moment, instead.
And the whole Kirk-Uhura thing, it was supposed to be Spock who kissed her, but apparently Shatner was all no way in heck is anyone but me getting to partake in the first interracial kiss on US TV, if it’s gonna happen it’s gonna be me. Not much of a kiss, though, to be honest…
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 16:42whips and branding irons? Holy crap those Platonians are sick bastards (actually, the words I would really like to use to describe them are not acceptable on this blog)
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 18:14Kirk touches the blood on the woman’s forehead with his right pointer finger. He pulls his hand away and looks down at it–the only blood is on his right middle finger. What sorcery is this.
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 19:10And to be honest I’m finding this episode rather boring. I just took a half an hour break in the middle of it.
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in August 12th, 2013 @ 19:48And seriously, let’s name her “Gem” which sounds exactly like “Jim”, because that doesn’t make conversation awkward to follow or anything.
Not impressed with the episode.
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in August 13th, 2013 @ 02:44Kirk’s all, “Pssh, no, I’m not gonna kneel for your Dohlman, this is my ship and we kneel to no one. Oh, wait, it’s a female? In a costume that barely covers anything? Hells, yeah, why aren’t you men kneeling already? Show some honor and respect, get down and kneel why aren’t you already doing so?”
Time and a place, Kirk, time and a place.
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in August 13th, 2013 @ 02:53Nice of them to stick some young men in super super short miniskirts for a change, instead of just the women…..
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in August 13th, 2013 @ 03:10Kirk, you idiot, don’t touch her tears.
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in August 13th, 2013 @ 03:13Well, if the whole mention of spanking hadn’t already sent my mind to the gutter, drugging Kirk with your tears and then kissing him and then enquiring “Captain, that ancient earth custom called “spanking”, what is it?” sure as cake did. And to think i actually assumed they meant it innocently the first time…..
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in August 13th, 2013 @ 03:39And he just straight up said “Are you out of your Vulcan mind?”, which is even better than the “You’re out of your Vulcan mind” from an earlier ep. It makes me very happy. Especially the fact that my window decal for my car now works perfectly as either TOS or Abrams reboot.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 00:55Is Lord Garth wearing a winged insect (with a jewel) on his finger?????
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 01:03“The Captain is annoyed by your attentions, that’s all.”
“Am I annoying you, dearest?”
“Not really.”Like Kirk is ever annoyed by a scantily clad woman touching/feeding/doing anything to him? Please.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 01:07Wait. Vulcan children do that kind of provocative dancing in nursery school?
eepalso, apparently Orion women dancing must always use the same soundtrack. I recognize the music from “The Cage” and “Menagerie” (which I realize the scene in those two eps is the same one)
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 01:15“A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers. ”
“Mister Spock, do you consider Captain Kirk and yourself brothers?”
“Captain Kirk speaks somewhat figuratively and with undue emotion. However, what he says is logical and I do, in fact, agree with it.”In Spock speak: Yes, I do consider Kirk and I to be brothers.
((Perhaps not just “brothers” but with two other little words alongside it, forming the definition of a certain Vulcan word *cought’hy’lacough*))
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 01:27Apparently Orion women proclaiming love to Kirk while in bed with him is a thing….Marta in [okay holy crap that was freaky my computer’s space bar just took on a life of it’s own and was making spaces like mad without being touched. And it wasn’t jammed or anything. eep] TOS and Gaila in Abrams 2009 Trek film
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 01:29“No, you mustn’t stop me. He’s my lover and I have to kill him.”
Riiiiight, because that’s what one usually does with one’s lover.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 02:29Nothing to do with the episode I”m currently watching, but….why does the Enterprise seem to be the only shuttle with a low backed Captain’s chair? All the other starships we’ve seen the bridge of appear to have high backed chairs on the bridge for the Captain. Even the Mirrorverse Enterprise appears to ahve a high backed Captain’s chair…..
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 03:55Another DVD with a “damaged area”. Has a small circumferential scratch that I’m fairly certain was NOT there when i loaded the DVD. Not convinced my computer has not decided to ever so kindly scratch my discs (and then determine sections unreadable and skip over them) while playing them. a;lskfjdkls;hglsd;afks
And I should better go to bed. I agreed to give mom a hand with a party for a coworker of hers and have to get up at 5:15, which is….4 hrs and 15 minutes from now. Crud.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 17:37I saw the motion picture last night, and… I’m used to Star Trek getting the logic/emotion dynamic totally wrong. But… I cannot take a movie seriously when it’s all “Compassion? No, no, that’s an emotion, and this thing is totally logical, so it can’t feel it or anything else,” and then “It has insatiable curiosity” and “It wants answers” and “It’s like a child throwing a tantrum” and then “for all its pure logic, this simple feeling is beyond V’ger’s comprehension.” I couldn’t even tell what the writers thought logic meant–the suppression of every emotion that the writers happened to like? In the novel, it even went, “I can’t understand the carbon units, and I am totally logical, so it must be them that doesn’t make sense,” which is… ridiculous. I think the sickbay scene may have actually been the worst part for me, because what was going on would normally make me really happy, but it was there to make a point that was just utterly caked up, and… Wrath of Khan had better be amazing.
And I haven’t even seen it with my dad yet. That’s going to be… an interesting experience.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 20:51It’s generally agreed that the odd-numbered Star Trek films are pretty terrible, although I’ve seen are the first, fourth, and reboot. I should probably get around to watching Wrath of Khan sometime…
And the fourth one is hilarious.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 23:09Is the fourth one intentionally humorous? I know it involves whales, because it was mentioned in the “Captain Ahab” song when the cartoon Animaniacs did a parody of Moby Dick. Regardless, I look forward to seeing it.
My dad doesn’t remember liking the first one, either, but I have a feeling he’s going to rub the message in my face, since he doesn’t really like that I’m such a fan of logic. I mean, he does it in a friendly way, but it does get a bit annoying.
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in August 14th, 2013 @ 23:42Oh, yes, it’s intentionally funny.
Basically: Time travel shenanigans. And whales.
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Robert Coontz (Administrator)
in August 15th, 2013 @ 15:23And nuclear wessels.
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Bibliophile
in August 14th, 2013 @ 22:19…Well, Wrath of Khan really was pretty amazing, even though I doubt that Spock was actually trying to tell Kirk (SPOILERS FOR STAR TREK II: WRATH OF KHAN FOLLOW; I HAD THE ENDING SPOILED, AND BELIEVE ME, IT’S BETTER OTHERWISE.) ,”It’s a far, far better thing I do than I have ever done before, a far better resting place that I go to.” I mean, that’s just–Happy birthday! I’ll be way better off dead than I would be if I stayed here alive with you! Yay for death! Live long and prosper!
I mean, if they really believed that, then there would not be a sequel called The Search for Spock. There just wouldn’t be.
I loved the movie overall, though. Khan was awesome, the interactions between the main characters were awesome, the new characters were interesting, and even though I wasn’t really satisfied with the attempt to make a happy ending out of Spock’s death, the actual scene was done beautifully.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 15th, 2013 @ 00:53Well, that would creep the living heck out of me. Snogging a pretty woman on the bridge of an abandoned ship (well, unlikely I’d be snogging a pretty woman, but you get the point) and the viewing deck suddenly filled with the green faces of a dozen or more hooded figures? *shudder* Just watching it is creepy. I was all “really, Kirk, your crew is missing, and you’re getting all snoggy face with–OMG creepy people creepy people make them go away this is freaking creepy how do you not see them make it stop”
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Luna the Lovely
in August 15th, 2013 @ 00:57Yikes. The mysterious sound outside the ship, the music/tone/whatever–this episode is now actually giving me the creeps, with the green faces and now the weird music, I’m quite honestly creeped out. That’s a rarity for a TV show.
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Luna the Lovely
in August 15th, 2013 @ 01:41“Aye, sir. And maybe a wee bit more. I’ll sit on the warp engines myself and nurse them.”
“That position, Mister Scott, would not only be unavailing but also undignified.”Oh my god Spock, I love you. Between the inflection and expressions and the words that come out of your mouth, I don’t care if you claim Vulcans don’t have a sense of humor–you do, and I love it
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