We’ve been piggybacking on the 2012 thread far too long. With so many MBers watching geeky TV shows, it’s time for 2013 to have a thread of its own. Herewith:
Patience, Please
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Kirk’s all “Oh, no, we can’t stay for dinner, we’ve got a deadly plague onboard our starship we’ve got to cure–only 4 hours to do so, big time crunch. Wait, you have a beautiful woman stashed away here? Nevermind my dying crewman, I’ve got all the time in the world to enjoy chess, billiards, and conversation with this beautiful young lady. And with any luck I’ll get all snoggy face and more with her by the end of the episode. Who cares about duty and death when there’s a beautiful woman around.”
Seriously, all these men on the Enterprise just lose their mind the moment a pretty woman turns up. With the exception of Spock, of course. Which is probably one of the reasons he’s the only intelligent being on the entire ship.
Spock plays the piano? This is brill.
“Don’t be afraid” for Kirk is here to kiss you and get all handsy with you.
Really, dude, is kissing women your answer to everything? I honestly do not understand how you ever made it to command a starship when everytime a woman shows up your judgement is compromised.
Spock shows up after some stuff transpires after the kissing….girl touches Kirk’s lips with her fingers, then moves her fingers to her lips. Spock gets this look like, “seriously, Captain? You snogged her? Can’t you keep your lips to yourself for once?
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” Since we are dependent on Mister Flint for the ryetalyn, Captain, may I respectfully suggest that you pay less attention to the young lady if you should encounter her again. Our host’s interests do not appear to be confined to art and science.”
Thank you, Mister Spock, for that voice of logic and telling the Captain for me what I tell him every single darn episode.
Dude, kirk, don’t be a jerk. Don’t presume to tell the girl who she loves or what she wants. Just because you want to shag her brains out doesn’t mean she has more than a passing fascination for you and that she loves you. Seriously, dude, grow up. You’re like a teenage boy falling in “love” with every pretty girl that catches your fancy.
Dude, Kirk, seriously. You’ve known her less than 4 hours. You do not, can not, love her. You might lust for her, but you can’t possibly love her. And next episode? You’ll fall in “love” again at warp speed with some new pretty girl. Wash, rinse, repeat. You wouldn’t know love if it came up and snogged you.
No. Just no. That is not cool. I am….most displeased with how they chose to end this episode.
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Just no. A) For the sake of argument, let’s say Kirk did love Rayna. Well, that’s the case with numerous other women in numerous other episodes, some much more believably than others (such as Edith Keeler in “City on the Edge of Forever”. I could actually buy that he loved her.) So assuming he loved her, what makes his love for her after 4 hours of knowing her and culminating in her death so much worse than any of the others that Bones thinks that she, of all of them, is someone he wishes Kirk could forget?
and B) That is beyond out of character for Spock. Spock would not force a meld and manipulate someone’s mind like that. It’s not his nature. Yes, he’s used his telepathic abilities to control people on missions, to achieve the freedom of him and the Captain from jail cells and such like, and while that has questionable morality, these people’s memories, etc, were not altered. He’s never mindraped someone and altered their flipping memories like they had him do with Kirk. The closest they’ve come to that is when MirrorSpock mindraped McCoy in “Mirror, Mirror”, but that was different, because it was MirrorSpock. Nobody has the right to remove or alter another’s memories without explicit permission of that individual, and Kirk and McCoy saying they “wished he could forget” do not constitute informed consent and permission to do so. And it is NOT Spock’s character to do such a thing.
Not only do I feel vaguely sickened, because I wish I could forget the resolution, but I haven’t been this upset/angered/whatever at a TV show since Moffat screwed up Doctor Who in the series 7 finale. And that makes all of 4 times in all the TV shows I’ve watched, that I’ve been majorly displeased with what a shows writers have chosen to do. The character assassination they just performed on Spock, Moffat’s rewrite of 50 amazing years of Who history, most specifically his rewrite of all of Classic Who; the culmination of Torchwood: Miracle Day (don’t even get me started ont he last couple minutes of that); and the series finale of Medium (dunno if any of y’all watched that, but damn was I furious and wished I hadn’t watched it).
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If they had just left out the word “forget”, it would have been okay. Because you could easily make the case that he wasn’t doing anything other than reading the emotions, etc, in Kirk’s mind (having been goaded to do so by McCoy’s comments that he was sorry for SPock he’d never know love). But instead they chose to write Spock completely out of character, making him do something so inappropriate and just plain wrong. Taking away memories is not okay. It’s just not.
Also, had another thought on this during dinner. Spoilers for “Paradise Syndrome” in addition to “Requiem for Methuselah”
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Back on the whole “even if he was in love with Odana, how was this more of a need to forget her, than any tht came before”. Because, really, if ever there was an episode for him to want to forget, and it to even halfway make sense for Spock to help him, it would have been “Paradise Syndrome”, where he lost his memory, married, fell in love with, and fathered an unborn child with said woman, only for her and the unborn baby to die. He lived on that planet for months. I could understand the whole desire to forget, McCoy’s comments on that matter, and even–possibly–find it slightly logical for Spock to consider interfering in that case. But not over a less than four hour long relationship with a woman.
What…What….what the hell am I watching? Just…wow. Half naked guy singing random insane rhyming song things. I….i don’t even…just what.
“he is a carrier of a bacillus strain known as Synthococcus novae. ”
Uhhhhh. That’s actually not possible. Something about that didn’t sound right to me, and I double checked to confirm. Cocci (synthococcus) are round bacteria. Bacillus can refer either to shape or a specific genus of bacteria. Regardless, bacilli are rod shaped. So therefore, Synthococcus novae cannot belong either to theNo, wait, I sit corrected. Bacilli apparently also refers to a class of bacteria, which among other things apparently includes Staphylococcus species (which are round, cocci bacteria), despite the fact that bacilli (the shape, not the genus or class) are rod shaped. Which I suppose further confirms my initial thought that their bacteria created by all the sterility advanced technology, etc, was a play on MRSA (methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus), as their mutant superbug, seeing as MRSA is our mutant superbug which is a huge concern for hospitals.
Hold on a minute, I don’t remember what episode, but I know that exact scene in the sickbay, of Nurse Chapel falling over, grabbing on to a biobed on her way down to the grown, where her skirt flies up to reveal the blue underwear part of the female starfleet uniform, happened before. The exact same footage.
I googled it. I’m not going crazy, thank goodness. It’s reused from “Spock’s Brain”.
Four more episodes of original series left. I’m torn between being sad it’s almost over, and excited that I’ve almost finished it (because then I’ll have seen all the episodes, and can start TAS and the movies).
I’ve got to watch all four today, though, I doubt I’ll have a chance tomorrow, and I’m not bringing the TOS DVDs with me to school, and I go back Saturday.
I’d intended to watch all of the animated series this summer, as well, when I planned it out at the beginnign of the summer, and watch the moveis (or some of them) on the plane, but I got behind. So I’ll watch the animated series (or part of it, anyway) on the plane, and hopefully find time to watch a couple of the movies before school starts…..
Oh my god Kirk, really? Woman attacks him while he’s sleeping, he overpowers her, pins her to the bed. she says “Call the guards if you’re afraid.” He replies “I am not afraid….In fact, I find this rather…enjoyable.” Seriously, Kirk? Grow up. Think about something other than women and sex for a change.
I reallyr eally really cannot fathom what part of Kirk’s flirting, kissing, seducing, and shagging nearly every pretty woman he sees, my friend and classmate thinks was done in a “classy” way. There is quite honestly nothing classy about Kirk’s flirting and snogging every woman he meets. Amusing at times, yes. Classy? Definitely not.
Woah. Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah. What, exactly, did this blonde toothpick drug you with, Spock? You wouldn’t even talk about the seven year mating cycle with Kirk when it could save your bloody life (and when, quite obviously, given Kirk’s policy of shagging his way across the universe, couldn’t possibly be disturbed by you having a mating drive) and now you’re discussing it with a complete and total stranger? Either this episode is determined to further destroy Spock’s characterization (hello, Vulcans don’t speak of Pon Farr with outsiders, especially total strangers), or she’s drugged him somehow.
You’re kidding me. That’s it? No explanation for why Spock spilled his guts about Pon Farr to a total stranger? While it would be totally within Kirk’s character to be so easily swayed by a pretty little toothpick, it’s not at all like Spock. Spock wouldn’t even tell his Captain and his friend, when not telling him meant his death, but he tells this stranger, and they don’t even offer an explanation for it?!?!?!
Um, sorry, what? Abraham Lincoln? What the cake.
I just realized why I thought Surak looked odd. He has bluish purple eyes. I don’t think I’ve seen a Vulcan that doesn’t have dark colored eyes before. It’s most odd looking. I just sort of assumed Vulcans all had dark hair and dark eyes….
Hey. Surak, the dude who started this whole Vulcan logicalness thing, has no problem saying “thank you”, so why is Spock always “oh, thanks are illogical, I will not say thank you, because that is so illogical”. ((Mind you, he has said it, he just frequently refuses to, as well))
A completely abandoned library that should be bustling with people? Puts me in mind of “Silence in the Library”/”Forest of the Dead”
Wowzers. Spock sure gets a lot of action this season.
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And I’ll forgive his emotionalism in this episode as being due to his being in a time before Surak’s reform of Vulcan, and thus the whole logic thing is weakened due to existing Vulcans and such not being logical and being savage and emotional.
I don’t know if that’s how they plan to rationalize it, or if they do, but….alright, so I’ve read fanfic with that premise and it makes as much sense as anything else they’ve done with Spock recently, and regardless of whether they explain (or, I suppose, if they neglect to provide an adequate explanation) I will rationalize it that way, so as not to have another episode ruining his character so soon after hte last two.
Poor Spock.
Was there symmetrical stacking?
There weren’t any book books. Just round discs in drawers. Kind of like a post office with the boxes having colorful doors instead of plain metal with numbers
That was suppose to be a reply to Kai
“Symmetrical stacking” is what the Ghostbusters found in a haunted library in the first movie.
It’s okay, I’ve only seen parts of the movies. (I have watched the cartoon show.)
I’m not sure if anyone read this on the previous Geeky TV Shows thread, possibly because I headed the post it was in with a barely relevant statement, or if no-one knew the answer. Either one, I’m going crazy speculating, so in case there are any Classic Whovians who might know the answer I’m reposting my question here.
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So, in the end of “The Dalek Invasion of Earth†Susan stays with the human man she fell in love with on Earth in the future. She has no TARDIS anymore, although she is a Time Lord (or whatever the female equivalent is), because The Doctor took it with him. I haven’t watched past “The Romans†but I’ve done a little research and it seems that she’s only properly in the show again in “The Five Doctors†about which I can find no statement indicating she dies. The Doctor visits her in a few spin-offs but that’s all, as far as I can tell. I see no mention anywhere of her being called to fight in the Time War. I know I’m spoiling parts of the series for myself, but I really don’t mind. What I want to know is this: is there any reason to think Susan isn’t still alive on Earth in the future? Because if not, The Doctor still isn’t the only Time Lord left.
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I did read your post on the other thread, I just didn’t really have any intelligent answers on the matter.
Susan’s fate is never mentioned on the show, and like you said, she returns in the five doctors special, but that’s it–and nothing in that mentions anything about her life on earth with her husband, etc.
I dunno, there have been other itme lords living on earth in other serials, i just kind of figured all time lords/daleks got put in the time lock, regardless of participation. I haven’t really put much thought into it.
Sorry, brain functions are pretty minimal at the moment, I had an eye doctor appt and they dilated my eyes and everything is fuzzy and out of focus and it’s giving me a headache and keeping me from being able to think clearly. :/
Ah, thanks. That’s exactly what I wanted to know.
*sympathy squids for the eye situation*
Getting ready to start the very last episode of TOS. And since I’ve yet to see it, by process of elimination, it msut be the episode I’ve heard about/seen youtube clips of, in which Kirk and some woman Janice Lester get body swapped, in which Spock holds hands with Kirk (in woman’s body for nearly a minute). lol
Y’know, yelling at Spock and the rest of the bridge crew is really not doing a good job of pretending to be Kirk. He only does that in dire emergencies. And then usually apologizes.
Aw, Kirk just told Spock that Spock “is closer to the captain than anyone in the universe.”
Um, peeps, you’ve done life entity transfer before, what do y’all mean you’ve never heard of it before? How ’bout Return to Tomorrow? Whethe the aliens int he globe transplant themselves in Kirk and Spock and some woman’s body, and transfer Kirk and Spock and her beings into the globes? yeah….let’s forget about that.
All done with TOS.
I shall start the animated series on the plane.
I actually rather enjoyed “Turnabout Intruder”
lol, apparently it’s “agreed to be one of the worst Star Trek episodes ever shown”. As was Spock’s Brain, which I rather enjoyed, as well. I liked both it and this one better than Trouble with Tribbles, which is suppose to be one of the top episodes…Guess I just have different taste.
Those two horribly OOC eps for Spock, Requiem for Methuselah and Cloud Minders go low on my list, although I enjoyed them both with the exception of those OOC scenes (which ruined the whole episodes for me). I guess I just have different taste, or I’m not taking it too seriously, or something.
The ophthalmologist made a Star Trek reference at my appt today, it made me laugh. He had asked me where I went to school, and then made a comment about tornadoes, and then said he was from New Jersey, and he went to school in Salt Lake City for med school, and that he’d been told thre were no tornadoes/hurricanes/etc, but there was a tornado while he was there and that there were buildings flying and green clouds, etc, and that he was all like “Beam me up, Scotty!” I giggled.
‘course, funny thing is, they’ve never actually said “beam me up, Scotty”.
It’s a classic sci-fi show. Continuity shmontinuity.
And to finish my tally:
11 “fascinating”s by Mister Spock in season 1 TOS and 1 fascination, 33 in season 2, and 30 in season 3. For a total of 74 renditions in 80 episodes (including the original pilot, “The Cage”, which actually didnt’ say fascinating, but whatever).
So on average, he says “fascinating” zero point nine two five times per episode (one must be precise, it makes Mister Spock happy)
Thoughts from Star Trek animated series episode Yesteryear. Because it was Spock centric so of course I had reactions. Some spoilers. Not live posting as I was on a plane. Airport where my layover is has free wifi though
Holy cake they killed baby Spock?!
So *that*s why fanfic calls ambassador Spock (Spock prime) in reboot fics Selik. Because when Spock went into history and saves himself that’s what he called himself. O.0
I don’t understand why they even went through the portal again given what happened last time
Omg. It’s like the bullying scene from the Abrams reboot. But with the little vulcans in sumo wrestler garb. What the cake
Also Selik is hot in that robe thing. Wowzers
Oh god. Baby Spock. I’chaya.
No Spock. Don’t be a jerk. Don’t tell him not to cry
This episode just broke my heart
Kirk you’re a **** too. A dead pet can change a HELL of a lot for those who love it. Jerk.
Despite the fact that odd-numbered Star Trek movies are supposed to be bad, I actually really liked The Search for Spock. One thing I don’t understand at all, though (and maybe I just missed something)–why was Spock so much younger this time when he had Pon Farr than in “Amok Time?” The time in “Amok Time” was definitely his first, because he said he’d hoped he’d be spared it. It seems… odd. Even if it happened to him late because he was half-human, I don’t get why it wouldn’t still happen late–although it’s possible there is a reason that I just can’t think of/didn’t notice.
I just realized there’s a tvtropes page for the Star Trek Movie Curse. Interesting.
I’ve been re-watching several Nine and Ten episodes, and every time I do I can’t help thinking: This. This is the quality I feel has been missing from the show recently. I fear that when the 50th Anniversary arrives, I’ll be back to judging Eleven as harshly as I did during his first season. Still, it’s wonderful to be reminded of what the show was like when Davies ran it.
Ah, the days when Moffat could do no wrong. And everything bad was blamed on RTD.
I was thinking the same thing.
“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
His episodes while RTD was showrunner were undeniably fantastic. But I have found his time as showrunner not to my taste. Especially the latter half of the last season. There were more eps that I did *not* enjoy than I enjoyed. And I’m still trying to forget about the season finale.
Has anyone here ever watched Storm Chasers? I’m thinking of getting into it, the crossover they did with MythBusters seems pretty good from the clips I’ve seen.
Oh, wow. The Sarek-Spock convo at the beginning of the 2009 movie, where he’s telling Spock he has to choose which path to follow. It’s like “Yesteryear” all over again. OMG, I’m going to ahve to watch these two movies all over again once I finally finish the animated series and the original movies, because they just keep getting better.
Only Spock. Only Spock can say “live long and prosper” and make it so deliciously plain that he’s really saying “f*** you”
I love that Vulcan
Oh, I bet you did demonstrate “exceptional oral sensitivity”, Uhura.
Now stop using your (morally and ethically questionable) relationship with a teacher to get yourself a posting on your preferred ship. Because Spock’s darn right, it does have an appearance of favoritism. Because it is favoritism. And you’re annoying. I don’t like nu!Uhura. Uhura on TOS was fine, but Abrams Uhura is *extremely* annoying.
You know that special hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the theatre? Yeah. The couple sitting directly in front of me at Into Darkness is lucky I didn’t hasten their journey there. Because not only were they conversing frequently (or more the guy leaning over and sayng things to the girl frequently), he talked to her throughout the duration of one of the most emotionally charged scenes of the movie, where next to nothing is being said on screen, and that nearly made me cry the first time I saw the movie, and he’s chattering away. I was flippin mad, wanted to backhand him across the back of the head. but I didn’t, so that’s good I guess.
In other news while watching the episode:
Bones’s “Shut up, Spock, we’re trying to save you” is totally reminiscent of “Shut up, Spock, we’re rescuing you” in the Immunity Syndrome–don’t know how I never noticed that, because I’d watched Into Darkness four times by the time I watched Immunity Syndrome.
Never noticed before the archives that got bombed were the “Kelvin memorial archives”, as a nod to beginning of ST: 2009.
And of course, as I keep forgetting to mention, the lovely nod (I think) to the Mudd episodes, when they craft they take to the Klingon planet was salvaged during the “Mudd Incident”
Going again tomorrow with the same friend I went to see it with for the first time, back when I fell in love with it.
Thought about attending the second showing tonight, but after sitting through the first, I managed to acquire a headache (I dont’ know what it is with watching movies and getting headaches), plus as much as I love it, I”m not sure I could do it back to back, even though it is just as good the 5th time as it was the 1st. Even if college students to laugh too much and you miss most of the lines after the funny lines (and since every other line is funny…..)
Also, I feel it necessary to note, that Spock’s ears in the Abrams movies are not nearly as nice as in TOS.
Mmm, those ears.
Yesssssssss. *drool*
Given that I rarely see movies more than once, and I definitely like to have at least a year between rewatches the rare time I do view a movie more than once, the fact that the 6th viewing in 3 months of Star Trek Into Darkness (and 3rd viewing of Star Trek 2009 yesterday, in 2 months) was as good as the first, says something about just how bloody good the movie is.
Thoughts from tonights viewing, several of which had occurred to me previously, I just never remembered most of them by the time the movie was over. MILD TO MODERATE SPOILERS FOR STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, DON’T READ IF YOU DON’T WANT TO KNOW WHO CUMBERBATCH’S CHARACTER IS, AND A FEW OTHER FAIRLY MINOR THINGS. OR I THINK THEY’RE ALL MINOR. I DON’T KNOW. I’VE SEEN IT SIX TIMES, SO WHAT I MIGHT THINK IS MINOR MAY BE NOT SO MINOR TO SOMEONE ELSE.
Firstly, always been seriously impressed Kirk could remember the coordinates given to him by Cumberbatch’s character, because by the time he repeats them to Scotty, I’ve always been lucky if I could even remember one of the numbers, and by the time Scotty inquires what the third number was, I’ve forgotten all of them again. So I’m pleased to say that, finally, after a sixth viewing (which means 12th time hearing the coordinates), that I can finally remember them. 23.17.46.11
The scene in the brig where Cumberbatch reveals the name of his character, while he’s facing away from Kirk and Spock (shortly before he starts crying): I’ve noticed this every time, he looks ridiculously similar to Quirrelmort, in the first Harry Potter movie (or at least the way my brain thinks it remembers Quirrelmort as looking)
The scene where Scotty is running and running back and forth, etc, everytime I’ve watched it, has me flashing back to the first movie I ever remember seeing Simon Pegg in: “Run, Fatboy, Run”. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave him tons of running, merely for that reason.
Can’t believe I only just noticed that Cumberbatch’s character threatening to kill of the Enterprise crew by cutting the life support, is the same as what Khan did in Space Seed in the original series (where he cut off life support to the bridge)
Also noticed every time (well, except the first one probably where I hadn’t seen any original series, but one episode): They finally got smart and installed seatbelts on the ship.
In a different post, I noted that all the shots of the captain’s command chair, except those on the Enterprise, it was high backed (including in the Mirroverse), but on the Enterprise in TOS it was low backed. I noticed last night that in Abrams reboot, it is high backed (what this has to do with anything, other thant he random things that Luna notices while watching, I really don’t know)
And every time I’ve seen the movie, I’ve always found Kirk’s comment about “welcome to the family” to Carol Marcus to be kind of tactless (as it seems she does as well), with her response of “it’s nice ot ahve a family”, given that Khan just squashed her father’s head like an overripe pumpkin shortly prior.
yeah, rub that in, Kirk, rub that in.
And unrelated ot the movie, I don’t understand why people feel it necessary to clap for movies????? Last night’s crowd did it more (just as they laughed more), tonight it was more one guy decided to sarcastically clap (yes claps can be sarcastic), which set off about half the audience clapping, but what? It’s a movie, the actors etc aren’t there, why ar eyou clapping, I odn’t get it.
So it only just occurred to me….Unless my memory is playing tricks on me (quite possible, of course), the scene where Spock’s mom is talking ot him in the Star Trek 2009 movie (right before he disses the VSA), the setting in what is presumably a room in their house on Vulcan, with a huge windowed wall looking out on the planet, is very similar to the setting when Spock’s parents are talking to him in the animated episode, Yesteryear, in a room with a huge windowed wall looking out on the planet….
Have any of you ever gone back and re-watched or reread something in a series, and discovered foreshadowing you never noticed the first time?
Because, I just re-watched “The Unicorn and the Wasp” for the first time…
Yes, definitely, multiple times.
My Song of Ice and Fire fist-shakings on the Books and Reading thread are prime examples of this.
The foreshadowing in New Doctor Who was a lot more blatant though, which made re-watchings kind of fun trying to spot all the little references to the season finale. Bad Wolf sightings for S1, Torchwood name drops for S2, VOTE SAXON posters for S3 (once in S2 and several times in Torchwood S1 as well!), and “missing things” in S4.
Although maybe the season themes weren’t the foreshadowings you were talking about? I don’t remember anything between S3-S5 all that well… it’s been a while.
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At the end of the episode, Donna talks about how Agatha Christie never knows she’ll be remembered. The Doctor replies: “Maybe that’s what keeps her writing. It’s what keeps me traveling.”
I apologize for any possible onslaught of feels this explanation produces.
SFTDP.
That should be “if she’ll be”. Sorry.
Star Trek is getting to be one of those obsessions, where I spend nearly all my spare time doing related things and think about it pretty much all the time period. My dad is already saying he’s created a monster.
Anyway, this weekend, I finally saw Star Trek IV. And V. And VI. And XII. And re-watched XI just because.
IV was hilarious and awesome and wonderful. V was really bad, but I’d already heard that so many times that I was actually surprised it wasn’t worse. I was really disappointed in VI. I’d not heard much about it either way, but I thought it was terrible. SPOILERS FOR STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY: Basically, it was “Day of the Dove,†except this time, we were supposed to believe that everybody was actually that xenophobic by themselves, and Spock invaded Valeris’ mind and tortured her for the information without even seeming particularly reluctant, and then they went to Starfleet and were all “We have a confession!†and naturally, no one questioned how it was obtained, which is really convenient because that cannot possibly have been legal–and also, we were told that her problem was not having faith. Um, I thought the film was about prejudice? Prejudice, according to my dictionary, is “an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason,†and faith is “belief that is not based on proof.†So… yeah, you really cannot bash prejudice while at the same time advocating faith, without specifying further what is meant by either term. It was ridiculous, really–the “faith†of the heroes, which actually seemed totally unnecessary, was stated clearly to have been illogical, but prejudice was treated as totally logical for all intents and purposes.
Also–who were they aiming the message at? People who already think faith is a good thing don’t need to be told that, and people who base all their beliefs on logic sure aren’t going to change their minds because someone in a movie says they should have faith.
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I enjoyed it at first, but I couldn’t help but be distracted by the fact that Khan did not not look like Khan. In addition to the unfortunate implications of him now being white, it broke my suspension of disbelief. I definitely loved parts of it, but a large portion of the movie was kind of ruined for me by having to pretend that this person was Khan.
Also, this is definitely not a complaint about the movie, but I have reached the conclusion that there is basically nothing that Kirk and Spock can do in Star Trek or that anyone involved can say that will convince the majority of people that Kirk and Spock felt anything besides friendship and brotherly love towards each other, because really.
Spock says he is failing to suppress his feelings, Kirk says he wants Spock to know why Kirk had to save him, Spock says, “because you are my friend.” Kirk didn’t say anything; his response was to put his hand to the glass. Spock puts his hand in the same place and stares at their hands for a moment before looking back to Kirk in what looks like astonishment; Kirk is still looking down and and now actually smiling; then he gives Spock a questioning look, and Spock nods… and they keep their hands there… and after 50 seconds of this (I counted), it looks like Kirk took his hand away… but no, he’s just stroking Spock’s fingers… then they do remove their hands after 55 seconds total, and that’s when Spock’s girlfriend walks in.
…I don’t even know what the majority of people were apparently watching.
At the risk of sounding like the world’s stodgiest person, I don’t accept any of the movies as canon. Well, maybe the first one, but only because I liked how weird Spock was when he returned to society after years alone in the desert.
I wish I was as far along as you so I could actually read your posts. While I think/eat/sleep/breathe (and, surprisingly, more than any other fandom dream–I think I’ve frequently been Spock in my dreams. It’s odd) star Trek, I’ve not gotten any watched in the last three weeks.
but of the only two movies I’ve seen (the Abrams reboots), I absolutely love them.
ANd I read the last few lines of your post (b/c into darkness), and yeah. They were totally making out. I realized that on my second watch of the movie, after I had gleaned enough Star Trek canon to know Vulcans kiss with their fingers and all that.
And all the little looks they give each other, by the fourth watch through, it was blatantly apparent via watching Spock’s facial expressions, that over the course of Into Darkness he was realizing just what he felt for his captaina nd his captain felt for him. The look he gives when Kirk turns over command and says he needs someone who knows what he’s doing, the look he gives as Kirk runs off makes it obvious that he just realized Kirks and/or his feelings on the subject.
All the action, etc, was just filler for the background love story told in Kirk and Spock’s dialog and expressions.
I kinda really wish I was done with the animated series, so I could go ahead and start watching the original movies, but…alas. 14 more episodes to go. And as far behind as I am in school, I dont’ anticipate getting much if any watched until at least mid October.
Actually, I realized that’s not quite true that I haven’t watched any Star Trek in the last 3 weeks. I forgot i went to see Into Darkness twice (fifth and sixth view) when it was playing on campus a couple weeks ago, and that I rewatched the 2009 one (for the third time) before going.
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Re: your point about Khan, there’s a fanfiction that might have been mentioned here before that you should read. It’s called “Sure, my name is Khan” and it’s by Phosfate and Rosencrantz.
That was great, and I haven’t even seen the movie. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Was the name “John Harrison” a shout-out to “Longitude”?
I’m just going to make all my replies in one post.
Robert–I actually think that’s perfectly reasonable. If I had enough problems with the movies, I’d probably not treat any of them as canon, either. I referred to several different things in my post, though. Are you responding to anything specific or just making a general statement on the subject of the movies?
Did the first film specifically state that Spock had been alone the whole time? I don’t remember that; I’m pretty sure it didn’t go into much detail. I know that the novel said he’d been training on Gol with the Vulcan masters in preparation for the Kohlinar, although you probably wouldn’t consider that canon, and it doesn’t actually matter for anything I can think of whether or not there were other Vulcans.
Luna–I felt the same way reading your posts when I started watching. At this point, though… well, it’s not as much that I’m ahead of you as that I got tired of the animated series and decided to watch it after I’d seen all the other Star Trek series and went ahead and saw what movies I could get my hands on and started TNG, and just now, I got access to the other movies.
Anyway, when you do watch the original movies, make sure you also read Gene Roddenberry’s novelization of TMP. It’s… well, you probably know it’s where “t’hy’la” comes from; that alone says a lot about the book in general.
Lizzie–I hadn’t heard of that fic, but I looked it up just now, and it was really funny. Thanks for the recommendation!
To clarify what I said earlier about the novel saying Spock had been with other Vulcans–I don’t normally count what the novels say as having any bearing on anything, but since this one was written by Gene Roddenberry, I generally give it credence.
Biblio: I was just talking about the movies in general. The moviemakers introduce things that undercut good ideas from the various series (e.g., the Borg = great idea; Borg queen = awful idea).
Yeah. I love how Roddenberry introduced t’hy’la as what Spock and Kirk were to each other, make up a definition for it as being “friend, brother, lover”, and then later on in interviews/what have you, tries to deny that there is a romantic relationship (or at least that’s the understanding I have from the interwebs). Sorry, but why make up a word for their relationship, and then make up a definition for it that includes “lover” and then try and claim its platonic? Just don’t stick that third definition in there, then, if that’s what you want people to believe.
Anyway. I need to be studying. Exam in t minus 5 hours and 45 minutes. Eep
I figure I’ll get some more trek watched once I’m on clinics. Maybe before if I ever get moderately caught up before then. And if I don’t flunk my Wednesday exam, maybe I’ll celebrate with some TAS episodes. But I haveto make it until Wednesday first. And not flunk on Wednesday. (No I’m not freaking what are you talking about?)
Really? Do you remember where you read about those interviews/what exactly he said/when he said it/anything that could help me find a quote? I’m really curious, because I’ve never seen anything like that (in fact, I’ve seen quotes that seem to indicate the opposite pretty clearly), and I feel like I really should have.
Good luck on your exam, by the way.
Hm. Not positive. I’ll see if I can track down what I’m thinking of tomorrow afternoon (once the exam of doom is over)
Thanks for the luck!
Okay, the stuff that I saw was stuff people had posted on a Trek forum discussing one of the TOS novelisations “Killing Time”, which apparently the first edition version of which were recalled and edited before being reprinted, due to them being too blatant in their portrayal of a romantic relationship between Spock and Kirk.
Apparently inthe novelisation of TMP, there is a footnote by Kirk (so really Roddenberry, since he wrote it) that reads “As for myself, although I have no moral or other objections to physical love in any of its many Earthly, alien, and mixed forms, I have always found my best gratification in that creature woman. Also, I would dislike being thought of as so foolish that I would select a love partner who came into sexual heat only once every seven years.”
^^^Of course, I saw somebody on the internet explain this one away as a whole bunch of flowery language totally dodging the question and never actually saying he wasn’t invovled with Spock.
Of course, a Roddenberry quote on the K/S wikipedia page pretty much flat out says that if same sex relationships are happening in the future when Star Trek is set, then yes, Kirk and Spock are in one. So…since in another couple centuries that will probably be accepted far more than it’s becoming, now… Well, then, they’re in a relationship. “Yes, there’s certainly some of that — certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal– we never suggested in the series– physical love between the two. But it’s the– we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century”
I’m not sure. Maybe Kirk’s protests in the novelization footnote were all I was thinking of.
Oh, I guess there’s also on the “Killing Time” wikipedia page, it says that when readers wrote in to comment/complain of the fact that Kirk and Spock were portrayed as in a relationship in it, that Roddenberry “became livid”. And then of course the book was recalled, any hint of a relationship purged, and then reprinted. Apparently the author they hired to write the book was an established K/S fanfic writer.
Yay, I’m glad you liked the fourth movie!
Save the whales!
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Well, maybe it’s because I’m not a very charitable person, and would likely even describe myself as not a very nice person, and maybe because I despised Valeris, but…..I was egging Spock on and quite in favor of him forcibly ripping those memories out of Valeris’ mind and yelling at him to rip those memories out of that [bad word]’s mind. And then when Spock actually did so? yup. I totally cheered, at least mentally.
And I can totally buy that they were all that xenophobic, given everything that’s gone down with the Klingons. Especially Kirk.
So, random thought. Which popped into my head while I was actually studying, but apparently somehow reading about ovaries and follicles and ovulation and corpus lutea and hormones and ugh somehow made my brain think about the giant red ball of red matter in Star Trek 2009 (don’t ask, I honestly don’t know), and then my brain made a connection it never had previously, and jumped from giant red balls to the giant red ball from that one episode of Alias, that was full of water (possibly radioactive water? idk) and Sydney almost drowned and yeah. and them I”m like, heh, really, Abrams? Thought your giant red ball was so flipping awesome in Alias you had to incorporate it into Star Trek?
Anyway. Back to studying. Because nothing says kill me now like studying female pregnancy hormones. *headdesk*
Oh my god. So, like, honestly, I was about to study. But then I clicked some link and was reading an article about lemurs and hibernation and sleep (I blame Lady Bunniful) and then I saw a link that said Netflix had pulled Search for Spock from their site for translation issues of Klingon/Vulcan, and well, you can’ throw things like that in my face and me not click. So I clicked. And the news blurb mentioned there being a Klingon Language Institute that offer scholarships for people learning the language (cue me repalying the clip because, wait, what did they just say?). and then I google it. And then I learned there’s a Vulcan Language Institute. And there’s like a zillion freaking medical terms in the Vulcan language, and there’s a link for Doctor Who and Harry Potter terms in Vulcan (I am so not even joking. I totally freaking nerded the hell out, I am still nerding the hell out), and I hate langugages, I suck at them, and Vulcan ahs so many consonants, and OMG I totally want to sit here reading through the site because this is like so awesome and OMG I want to learn Vulcan now.
Although I don’t know how canon this site is considered to be, but yeah.
And that, esteemed colleagues, is how once-promising veterinary students wind up begging for spare change and cussing out pedestrians in languages nobody understands.
Which reminds of when I was a child and I was working my way thorugh the dictionary creating my own “language” (making up words for every word. I don’t think I ever got very far) as well as a few phrases in my language (I forget what it’s called. It’s in a notebook somewhere back home).
I had a made up word for “not fair”, and one winter my sister, dad, and I were walking back home across the lake after going for a walk, and for whatever reason, she and I had decided something was “not fair”, and so we were saying my language’s word for it “gar fooey” ((prounounced foo–ee)), and dad for whatever reason, decided that what we were saying sounded (in his opinion) a lot like some cuss word or another (I still don’t see it, and I’ve got a much broader vocabulary in terms of cuss words now than I did then….At which time I didn’t even ahve the remotest idea what he thought it sounded like).
Anyway, he started to get *really* irritated at us, and started yelling at us to stop saying it, because it wasn’t appropriate, and we of course wanted to know why, and kept saying it more, and then we got to the point we were just saying it because we didn’t get what his problem was, and really, it was “Not fair” that he was taking such an issue with it.
And so by the time we got home, he was royally ticked off, and that was the first (and thankfully last) time in my life that I had my mouth washed out with soap. For realzies. He actually washed our mouths out with soap and it was positively vile, and I really don’t get why that’s actually considered to be a thing to do for children who are saying inappropriate things (especially in this case, because we werent’ saying anything bad).
The hot chocolate we had did help dispel some of the nasty taste.
Mom unfortunately did not rescue us, because although I think she thought dad was rather overreacting, he had told us to stop, and threatened us with soap, and, well, we didn’t listen. But really.
(Seriously though, soap=nasty.)
There was a McDonalds magazine ad years and years ago that proposed new “kid lingo” words. The only one of them I still remember is “woopinger”, which described that one french fry that is always abnormally longer than all of the others in the pile. I still mentally refer to such fries as “woopingers” on occasion, just because there isn’t a way to describe them in a single word in normal English.
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I spent the latter half of June watching Torchwood! And oh man. What a ride. My poor sweet darlings, all around. (I finished Children of Earth the night before a con, so there was a spot of happiness in my life.)
Handsome Jack. Ugh. I can’t deal with that man. I feel so b a d for him, I just want s2 to continue on from 2×11. I don’t need all those deaths, man. Harshing my groove there.
Ianto was definitely my favorite character. You know when a person shows up onscreen and you just get the biggest smile on your face and have to pause the video to squeal like an idiot? That was Ianto for me. I loved his development and lines and relationship with Jack. It was very sad and had so much potential, if only they had more time… (I’ve written and read way too much meta on Torchwood)
It frustrates me to no end the copious Gwen-bashing I find when looking for Janto fic. No. no you don’t understAND SHE’S SO IMPORTANT TO THE DYNAMIC OF THE TEAM, SHE AND IANTO KEEP JACK BALANCED AND SANE, SHE’S DOESN’T TAKE ANY BS AND STAYS HUMAN, SHE’S SO GREAT (although the forced ~*romantic tension*~ between her and Jack was very annoying. It’s like. No. They’re perfect as best friends and Gwen and Rhys’ actors have such great chemistry. Also Jack has Ianto?? Please let him focus on that, writers. Just let their relationship grow more freely. Jeez.)
I haven’t watched Miracle Day and I’m not planning to. As I said, the Gwen and Jack dynamic, while integral, just… wasn’t that interesting to me. It was very cool while Ianto was there to round it out, but coupled with the deaths of Tosh, Owen, and Ianto I’m just not interested. I’ve heard reports that it doesn’t feel like Torchwood. The only thing I would watch would be the bit about Ianto. Otherwise, I will stick to my fix-it fic and ignore canon. Tosh and Owen and Ianto are all alive, Jack and Ianto are finally communicating, everyone is happy and mentally healthy and chasing down aliens in the streets of Cardiff. Shhhhhhh.
It’s a silly show and narmy at times, but I had a lot of fun watching it. You just have to get in the write frame of mind.
Yeah, you’re not really missing out by giving miracle day a miss. It was alright, but it wasn’t anything spectacular, and the last dice minutes or so of the last episode….well, lets just say it eclipsed any enjoyment I might have been getting from it
And yeah, as far as Gwen, she’d be alright if try didn’t keep flinging her at jack. That drove me up a wall (and I’ll admit turned me into a bit of a Gwen hater)
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. Personally, I’m not nearly as big a Ianto fan and I actually don’t like Gwen at all, but that’s just personal preference. And I definitely agree about Gwen and Ianto rounding Jack out. Personally, I feel like Gwen was a swift kick in the butt to the Torchwood team, which they needed to get back on track. Then I feel like Ianto sort of maintained it.
My personal opinion is that once he and Jack were together, he seemed a bit more open minded, and there was that one episode where they both sort of flirt with Gwen, but it feels natural rather than forced like it did in the beginning.
I don’t know. You might agree with me, disagree with me, or even think I’m nuts. One thing’s for sure though: you made the right decision not watching Miracle Day.
Taking a sort of different tacked from other people here, has anyone else seen QI? It’s a british panel show hosted by Stephen Fry. I keep binge watching it on YouTube, and every episode is both funny and informative.
In other TV show news, I still have the vast majority of last year’s Doctor Who to catch up on before November (Mercy on, except for the power of 3).
I don’t watch it religiously, but I love QI. Stephen Fry is my idol.
I was doing research for the first step of a paper in which I have to give two publicly expressed opposing viewpoints on a subject. I chose the conspiracy theories about the moon landing (because, as ridiculous as they are, there’s actually a lot can do with that topic – and at least it’s not the same dry subjects that everyone else uses!), and I happened upon a BBC video told from the perspective of a journalist who was trying to explain why the moon landing couldn’t have been faked, called “The Impossible Hoax”.
Given the title and the picture that went with it, I can’t help but wonder if “The Impossible Astronaut” was based slightly on it.
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Where did the Korra nerds go? The premiere
episode(or two!) came out on Friday 13th, or earlier if you happened to be at the Comic-Con panel, and… interesting. (Okay, okay, I only just watched it, but…) Unulaq and his water-spirit-bending is gorgeous, I’m happy to see more of the Water Tribes, the plot isn’t that compelling yet but well could be, I don’t think this is going to be good for Bolin and that’s coming from my relationship knowledge, I hope we Asami gets to be awesome, and Tenzin’s family already is. It probably won’t serve to keep me sane the way it did last year, but dammit I love it.I’ve also been watching Orange is the New Black. I know it’s not geeky per se, but I’d be surprised if no one here watches it and I don’t have offline friends who do, so. Watching ep13 at about 10pm on a school night, what could possibly go wrong?
It’s out? And here I’d been thinking it wasn’t appearing until October!
Just a sec, let me rewrite my plans for the day…
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In my English class today, we did two free-writes, each about a picture of a license plate we were shown. The first license plate said “JEDIIAM”, so naturally my free-write started with Yoda being the owner of the car. What does this have to do with Doctor Who? Well, originally I’d just meant to write about Yoda, but naturally I tried to explain what he was doing on Earth if the galaxy he’s from is so “far far away”, and naturally the TARDIS ended up being involved… Long story short, by complete accident I ended up with a semi-logical explanation that meant that Yoda was actually Captain Jack Harkness between the last time we see him as such and the time when we first see him as The Face of Boe. Part of my explanation was that, as Yoda, he lied about his age and he’s actually somewhere between several hundred thousand years old and one million several hundred thousand.
SFTDP. And naturally his speech patterns as Yoda were an affectation he found amusing, and The Doctor wouldn’t let him bring a lightsaber back to Earth – probably for timey-wimey reasons.
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So Mom watched the first 4 episodes of Children of Earth, having finished season 2 after apparently watching the last 5 episodes yesterday. She apparently did not cry for Ianto (seriously? Am I the only person that sobs like a baby for this kind of stuff?), although she did say it was sad.
And the she said that she would probably cry when Jack sacrificed his gs (I’m assuming her to mean grandson), and seriously, what the bleeding cake? Am I the only person who had no idea going into Day Five that Jack was going to kill his grandson? Because I dont’ think I realized it until pretty much as it was happening, and that’s part of what was so horrible and saddening and made me cry so hard (well, I didn’t actually shed tears, because I was expecting my roommate back and had classes to go to, but I was shaking with suppressed tears and crying as hard as it is possible to cry, just without shedding tears), and here she’s predicted it before even watching the episode? I don’t even.
I’m flashing back to watching Alias with her (TV show a decade or so back, some of you might remember it, JJ Abrams did it), and her predicting half the plot twists of half the episodes, and us being all “what, did you write the damn show?” everytime she was spot on and we were just like “no way is that what’s going to happen”.
Mystery solved. She read spoilers on the ‘net.
“Part of our take was that we were going to harmonize with canon. So in the original series, the first interracial kiss was between William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols, and we thought in this, what is the harmony of that? And the harmony is the first inter-species kiss. It is Uhura and Spock.”
But… but even if that would be equivalent at all, inter-species kisses happened in TOS all the time.
First inter-species kiss in the new continuity? Maybe?
Maybe. I would certainly hope that the writers don’t actually know that little about TOS, because that would be pretty sad. I’m not sure, though.
I should clarify that while it is the first interspecies kiss we see in the reboot, there is nothing to indicate that it is the first to occur, and in fact, interspecies relationships seem to be pretty common there. One of Spock’s parents is a human, and we see Kirk and an Orion woman in bed briefly during the first reboot movie. Also, while the specific interspecies kisses from TOS have not occurred in the reboot universe, the two continuities have the same history up until the point of divergence, and it’s clear that interspecies relationships were common already. MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE TOS EPISODE “METAMORPHOSIS”–at one point, a landing party (Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and an offensive portrayal of an asexual woman) beams down to a planet where they encounter one intelligent nonhumanoid (which looked more like a pillar of light than any Terran organism) and Zephram Cochrane, the inventor of warp drive. The latter was presumed dead; he’d gone missing 150 years ago when he was 87 years old. The nonhumanoid had gotten him his youth back and kept him young as long as he stayed with her. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy realize that they’re in love, and Cochrane is horrified because he was raised to believe that that was disgusting and immoral–and it’s clear from the reactions of the landing party that this kind of attitude has died out. (McCoy is indignant; Kirk is angry in a quiet way that we very rarely get to see from him; Spock is confused because it’s illogical; the woman is upset because she’s been unhappy her whole life due to not being in love, so she thinks Cochrane ought to be grateful for what he has). END OF “METAMORPHOSIS SPOILERS–Interspecies relationships (and presumably by extension kissing) are normal in TOS, have apparently been normal for as long as the main characters can remember, were therefore presumably normal before the TOS universe diverged from the reboot one, and thus should be normal in the reboot universe because there’s absolutely no indication otherwise.
This does not make it different from the TOS kiss between Kirk and Uhura; it is not supposed to be the first interracial kiss ever. That would be really stupid, as interracial kisses had already happened in history at the time when the episode was made. This kiss was actually forced by a third party, but it was not portrayed any differently from when Spock and Chapel were forced to kiss in the same scene, and when Uhura attempts to flirt with Spock early in the series (with no results), there is no indication that this is considered inappropriate because of race. We don’t see any actual interracial romantic relationships, but William Shatner and Gene Roddenberry had a hard enough time convincing the NBC executives (and the director of the particular episode) to include the forced kiss, so this is probably because they couldn’t show that stuff and not because it didn’t occur. According to elsewhere in “Plato’s Stepchildren,” on earth in the 23rd century, “size, shape or color makes no difference.” TOS didn’t always succeed in getting that across, but it did try, and I think we can assume that interracial relationships were common; we just couldn’t get to see them.
What made it important was that it was the first interracial kiss on television (actually, technically, the first was between Uhura and Chapel in “What Are Little Girls Made Of?”, but nobody talks about that, probably because it was on the cheek, pretty clearly platonic, and no interesting stories have been told about it); the viewers hadn’t seen that on TV before at all. It was very nearly not used for fear of angering people in the south, although apparently, the actual response was overwhelmingly positive; it was a big step forward not just for Star Trek but for television in general.
Relationships between humans and sentient aliens (from our point of view) are not controversial, although that may just be because at the moment, they’re completely hypothetical. It is normal to see humans and aliens kissing on television, to the extent that it was common on Star Trek in the ’60s, and nobody had a problem with it. Of course, it can be used to represent other types of relationships that do cause debate, but it wasn’t in the Star Trek reboot, so that’s not relevant.
I feel like comparing the kiss between Kirk and Uhura to the one between Spock and Uhura is either downplaying the significance of the former or treating the latter like it’s boldly going where no one has gone before when it’s really nothing new. I actually like reboot Trek (although I admit I do not like Spock/Uhura), but the people involved with it have a tendency to talk about it like it’s bold and original and daring, maybe even more so than TOS was, and it really isn’t.
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“an offensive portrayal of an asexual woman”–and here I thought she was just a [female dog]
And because I’m in a nitpicky mood….it wasn’t a “landing party” nor did they “beam down” to the planet Zefram Cochrane was on. They made an emergency/crash landing on the planet after the alien energy light creature thingy interfered with their shuttlecraft. So no beaming. And not a landing party. They were trying to get the annoying [female dog] back to the Enterprise to treat her for some disease she was apparently should ahve been vaccinated for, and wasn’t
(This is really late, but I was busy at the time and meant to respond to this and as well as 21.4.3.1.2 later but knew my responses would be somewhat long because they related to Star Tre and so put it off).
I thought it was implied that the reason she was so rude to everyone was because she was so unhappy about not having known love. I found this offensive because as she is the only female character in the series who is stated or implied to have never been in love before, and there have been other comments in the series giving the impression that a woman can’t possibly be happy without a man (“Is There in Truth No Beauty?” challenged that idea, and that was really refreshing, but one good episode can’t make up for everything else. Uhura… doesn’t seem to count.), it seemed like we were supposed to view this as a natural reaction for a woman and not something specific to her; in fact, I felt like it was supposed to be tragic enough to win over our sympathies for her (although before that point I get the impression we were supposed to really dislike her).
You’re right about the other stuff; since I didn’t care for the episode, I’d only watched it once and didn’t remember it right. I should have checked, I suppose.
In case there are any Musers who’ve missed the news – nine missing episodes of Dr. Who have been discovered on a dusty shelf in Nigeria. They’re classic Patrick Troughton era, in black and white, and they include most of The Web of Fear and Enemy of the World.
So I had a sudden moment of curiosity and looked this up even though I hadn’t thought about the show for years… So, in “Avatar: The Last Airbender”, non-Avatar earthbenders CAN’T affect lava even though it’s rock because you explicitly need both fire- and earthbending for that? Is that because you need firebending to protect yourself from the heat of getting close enough to the lava to use earthbending on it?
Mudd!
Oh chapel, you should be smarter than that. Don’t even think about letting Mudd manipulate your unrequited feelings
“You rub the liquid on yourself than touch another person”
Uh…..that…sounds wrong. Really wrong
Chapel, you are an absolute idiot.
Oh god, Spock.
Ohhhhh, my god. Oh my god.
Spock. Oh my god. I’m dying. Trying not to start laughing maniacally on an airplane. Ohhhhj, wow
“Spock, in love?” “I can’t imagine!”
Oh my god. I love this episode. Spork just happened. They said fiends but the tone said different
“Spock, cant you take your hands off her!?”
” that’s my affair!”
*in a really annoyed tone*” I think we should get a few things straight–”
Jealous, Kirk? Don’t like it when Spock is getting some action with a woman?
This episode is wonderul
The music on this ep reminds me of zoombinis logical journey
For reasons I’m retrospectively not even sure of, I tried watching an episode of glee again.
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Okay, if I’d seen the episode title, I wouldn’t have watched it. Anyway… Blaine starts randomly twerking for some reason, and then Mr Shue decides it’s the best thing ever and they should all totally do it because rebellion is good for you. Um, okay? The show seems almost aggressively tolerant: like OMG there’s a new controversial thing lets put it on a pedestal. Which doesn’t seem to be the point, but I’m digressing here.
Anyway, Blaine, Tina and Artie are the only ones I recognize anymore, but that’s okay because we have bland Mirror!Rachel, Mirror!Finn (who looks like Puck) and Mirror!Quinn. I didn’t really pay much attention to them, except that Mirror!Quinn scares me: that girl is even skinnier than the original one which is actually possible somehow? I couldn’t really focus on the scene where she’s bashing bland Mirror!Rachel because I kept staring at her arms and thinking “Someone get that girl a hamburger stat”. What happened to Mercedes and Lauren? I mean, Tina might *gasp* be a size six but seriously?
I really like Unique so far. His song fit well, and I think bringing up the whole bathroom issue was good- but it got too absurd too fast. I get it, this is lighthearted comedy, but touching on a topic for ten seconds, then segueing into “Well if a transgender person goes into a bathroom, then suddenly girls will start hooking up in the guys bathroom, the guys will all invade the girls bathroom and hold a disco dance party with glow sticks and CHAOS WILL ENSUE” doesn’t really help, does it? It just seems like they’re trying to be sensationalist. I didn’t really pay much attention to the high-school parts of the episode after that.
Anyway, Rachel and Kurt are living in NYC! I really like their characters actors- their plot was just as stupid as that at the high school, but somehow they managed to touch on something genuine when they talked about Finn and finding direction in their lives. Though I really don’t get why Rachel didn’t tell Kurt about her tattoo. Not to mention that I think the whole hey-lets-get-drunk-and-take-a-risk is a good grieving recommendation, but the actors sold it as a sort of personal growth thing which actually worked. Then something happened at the end with an incredibly cheesy song and blandMirror!Rachel and Mirror!Finn-who-looks-like-Puck broke up. Meh.
So yeah… I won’t be watching it again. But I’d really like to hear someone else’s opinion on the show, if anyone here still watches.
I just happened to catch an episode of Star Trek Enterprise. They were having trouble with an alien being, again. But this one wasn’t humanoid, or “made of pure energy” for a change. It was a big mat of tendrils. It was very difficult to communicate with. It took ithe combined efforts of a human expert and a Vulcan several hours to even work out how the language was strructured.Its apparently hostile actions ceased when basic communication was finally established, but they were never fully understood. It was returned to its home planet by an away team wearing space suits because the atmosphere wasn’t breathable.
It was almost believable.
YES, ENTERPRISE. WATCH IT ALL. Wait, a believable Star Trek episode? I do remember it, but there’s no way it could be a real episode. We must be be suffering from the effects of a… space… um, virus.
I’ve gone back to watching the Classic Who from where I’d left off. I’d actually forgotten how completely brilliant it is.
On a related note, I don’t expect to get to bed before Hartnell a.m. at this point…
It amused me to read that “Doctor Who” was originally conceived as an educational show along the lines of “The Magic School Bus.” What a Trojan horse!
It was bigger on the inside.
I was a bit surprised when I first found out, but then I realized that it made perfect sense. Especially considering that one of the main reasons I enjoy it so much is that unlike certain episodes of the New Who *coughFiresofPompeiicough* It actually seemed to have most of its facts checked.
Of course, there are some little things that seemed a bit off. But it hasn’t impacted the quality much for me.
So I may be wearing a fez, bow tie, and a THE ANGELS HAVE THE PHONE BOX shirt, and wandering around the house brandishing a sonic screwdriver at various objects. Dear lord, it’s like I’m suddenly thirteen years old again.
HAPPY DAY OF THE DOCTOR, EVERYBODY!
Later this afternoon I have to go out and buy some stuff. I wonder how people will react to my “Keep Calm and Don’t Blink” t-shirt and Tennant sonic screwdriver…
Happy Day of the Doctor, everyone! The google doodle game was super hard but very cute.
So what did people think of it, then?
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I think I liked it. I had some mixed feelings watching it about way I thought they may be going to do, but I think they resolved it in a way that. Org matches the mixed continuity previously presented (gallifrey is destroyed! No, them and the daleks are just time locked in a time bubble! And now we have daleks destroyed and gallifrey locked in an alternate universe, which I think works for me as a resolution)
I think the doctors polygamy is getting out of hand (how many women is he married to now?), but it’s funny so whatevs.
The asthmatic doctor who fangirl with he scarf was borderline too much, almost made it feel like a spoof not an actual episode when she was on, but was somehow actually okay and not that bad
And Tom baker was sadly not a surprise for me as I saw a headline on google by accident te other day advertising had he was in the 50th. Two days away and Id been avoiding spoilers so well but oh well
So I definitely think I liked it, and I’ll post more on my viewing experience later when I’m on my computer, but I’m off for a nap now, since I got up at 6am to go into the theater that was playing it live at 10:50 this morning. Got in line about 8:15.
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I really enjoyed it. I didn’t like how they pandered to the worst stereotypes with the asthmatic girl, but that didn’t affect as much of the experience as it might have. I had also been dreading Billie Piper’s reappearance. She’s been on the show too many extra times all ready, and I really don’t like Rose. But the way she was done for once didn’t drag the episode down. I still hope this is her actual last time on the show, though. Enough already.
Anyway, I loved most of the show. Matt Smith was less of a bother than usual, and it was a lot of fun watching two of The Doctor snark at himself while a third called himself immature. The bit with Queen Elizabeth was well done, in my opinion. But I do have to wonder. When Matt Smith previously mentioned her waiting to elope with him, I’d assumed that the first time in his timeline when he met her the reason she immediately ordered his head cut off was because he didn’t go through with it. So what was the reason?
I also liked how for once Moffat managed to mess with the history of Doctor Who without contradicting established cannon. I was beginning to think him incapable of doing so. But the biggest question I have now is: Does that make Eccleston the tenth Doctor, Tennant the eleventh, Smith the twelfth, and Capaldi the thirteenth?
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I have decided I’m just going to keep consideri eccleston 9, etc, ad John Hurt’s doctor will be 8 1/2. That’s the simplest way for me to keep them straight, because I don’t feel like reassigning 3 doctors in my thinking. I don’t dislike Smith’s doctor, so I had no lroblem with his role, and I wa pleased to note how both him and tennat were the doctor so much in my mind that I was practically getting them mixed up inthe episode like “wait, which one of be doctors just said that?” 8 1/2 though, he doesn’t feel like the doctor, cuz he’s not been on enough episodes, still had that new not yet doctory feel
I was kind of pleased about rose as well–I don’t really dislike her or anything, I use to actually really like her, but then yet kept bringing her back again and again and it just kind of got old
I understand your reasoning.
The funny thing is that of the ten companions I’ve seen (Susan, Barbara, Ian, Viki, and all of the New Who companions excluding Mickey and Jack), Rose is right in the middle when it comes to likeability for me. I dislike her, but I don’t hate her. At least not since I’ve seen companions I like even less.
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Wow, I really liked it! I didn’t think I would be able to watch it, but through the miracles of technology plus the fact that my dad is always trying new streaming/watching methods I was able to!
I was really happy about it. Normally, changing the continuity in some huge, dramatic way like that would have bothered me, but it was a good episode! And when he was there with all the other Doctors it was so great and at the end when he was talking to the curator I was really pleased with the episode. Okay. I just… I loved it. That is all.
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I have mixed feelings. On a positive side, the theme music was absolutely brilliant (as I’ve come to expect), as was the CGI, and the cinematography and color schemes again reminded me of how well-produced Doctor Who is now. Actually, it made me wonder what Star Trek would look like if the show was still being made.
I loved having the Tenth Doctor back, and frankly I was really glad he didn’t interact with Rose; Russell T. Davies ended that on as good a note as I think possible, and I heavily doubt that Steven Moffat could have topped it.
The scarf was unnecessary.
Plot-wise, I think I’m just going to ignore the events of this episode. I was quite angry about the ending- angrier than I have any right to be over a television show. I think the later two Doctors should have told 8.5 to press the button and destroy Gallifrey; getting around it by timelocking the planet instead seems a weak conclusion to me. Also, it felt like Moffat was undermining the last eight years of the show, which is absolutely unacceptable. There were so many touching and canonically sound places that the plot with the Moment could have gone: why would he choose to make one of the Doctor’s prime motivations for since the reboot unreal, other than to have somewhere to take the show in the future? To me, it seems disrespectful to Russell T. Davies and the reboot in general to do that- not a good attitude for a celebration of Doctor Who‘s past.
I also really disliked the bit with Elizabeth I. She was a cunning, politically powerful woman who did exponentially more than not get married. There were a lot of things they could have done with an episode involving her, and turning one of the Tenth Doctor’s throwaway lines in seasons past into a full-blown wedding was completely uncalled for. Why did they not stick with the lovestruck-Elizabeth-as-a-giveaway thing? That was wonderful! It could have made a great point about Elizabeth as an independent and cunning Queen. There was no reason for her only role in the story to be another historical figure who was madly in love with the Doctor (like Madame de Pompadour, and as I recall, that episode was also written by Steven Moffat).
The trick with the memory filter to develop a peace treaty was awesome, and I would have liked to have seen more of that particular plot.
On the whole, the episode didn’t feel monumental enough to me, nor did it feel respectful to Russell T. Davies’s work (which I really admire). Actually, it made me decide to go back and watch The Christmas Invasion again.
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Re: time locking the planet being disrespectful to Davies
Didn’t End of Time, with the Master and Ten, and the gallifreyans–which was te last two episodes of Davies era, state that the entire time war was time locked–and thus gallifrey not actually destroyed? Maybe not time locked inside a portrait thingy outside of space or however exactly that was explained, but I’m fairly certain I remember it being established in that episode that the entire time war was time locked. Else wise, how could any gallifreyans have made an appearance?
I was worried watching it that it would have them not preserve button and magically time lords be all walking about, and not feeling comfortable with where it was going, but j feel the way he ended it did justice to the history of the show since the reboot. He saved gallifrey, without really rewriting canon, just tweaking it slightly.
Now, if we wanna talk about moffatt undermining the history of the show, lets talk moffatt undermining all 50 years of history in less than two minutes in “name of the doctor”. *that* made me ridiculously angry (I’m still mad about that)
I’m also really mad about how he unnecessarily added “girl” to the end of Rose’s DW name– making “Bad Wolf” into “Bad Wolf girl”. All of Moffat’s female companions are girls; the Girl Who Waited, the Impossible Girl, etc. while RTD’s female companions were women; the most important woman in the universe, Bad Wolf, etc.
tl;dr sometimes Moffat is a bit misogynistic and that annoys me
I’m 23 (around Amy and Rose’s age) and call myself and other females in my age range “girls”. I don’t really see that that is mysoginistic for Moffat to have called them girls.
I can see how this could go either way (although it should be pointed out that Amy, at least, definitely was a girl when she was waiting) but the thing I found truly grating was when the War Doctor told Clara she was twice the man he was, or something to that effect. Why couldn’t it have just been “person”?
“you’re twice the man I am” is an idiom. Those words in that order have a specific, non-literal meaning. Audience familiarity with that phrase lends the author dexterity. Substituting a word strips the idiom of efficacy, and perhaps even poetry.
I think this is a case of it depending on the speaker. You’re referring to yourself. Moffat is describing a character, but one that viewers of a similar age may be identifying with.
Would you describe a fictional 23 year-old male as a boy?
i would.
“Two thousand years. The boy who waited. Good on ya, mate.”
-The Doctor, referring to Rory
I quite likely would. Also, given how old the Doctor is (and the age of the actor playing that particular Doctor), to call them girls seems perfectly reasonable. They are all quite young in comparison–and I feel it’s worth noting that in the behind the scenes bit that followed the anniversary episode when I watched it in theatre this evening (with surprisingly satisfying 3D, I’m usually a bit unimpressed with 3D, despite my need of reminding myself by periodically going to 3D), that John Hurt referred to Tennant and Smith as “boys”. And they’re older than Clara, rose, and Amy.
Aside from the fact that “misogynist” means someone who hates women. I’ve never seen any evidence of that in the series and would prefer to see such a loaded word reserved for times when it’s truly appropriate.
I wonder if the English are in general more inclined to use both “girls” and “boys” when referring to adults than we are here. (Lad and lass as well.) We’re probably more careful about “boy” because of its association with racist parlance.
I think though that there is a lot of casual sexism in Moffat’s writing, which misogyny is often used as shorthand for.
Using misogyny as shorthand for lesser infractions is precisely what I object to. Then what do we call something that’s truly egregious? Where is the benefit of upping the ante?
I saw it last night in a 3D theater screening, and had an exceedingly good time! I’m going to babble about that first, because it was really fun. There were a minimum of a dozen Elevens at mine, three TARDISes, two Tens, two Roses, and one Dalek. (I dressed up in a character-nonspecific chronopunky way, after failing to throw together a last-minute cosplay.) My companions and I got there rather early, which was a good thing, because the show was sold out, and quite a lot of seats were already taken.
A few rows ahead of us, before the lights were dimmed, a couple of Elevens started comparing sonic screwdrivers–and then everyone who had one held it up–maybe thirty of them? And we all started laughing and clapping and the guy who had started it shouted “This…is…happening! You beautiful people! I love you all!” and it was pretty great. We also cheered and laughed and screamed together more than any other movie audience I’ve ever been a part of.
Okay, now I’ll talk about the actual thing.
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So, it might just be because I was having so much fun, but my feelings were overwhelmingly positive. I enjoyed the character interactions and the story/stories.
I am entirely incapable of getting angry about saving Gallifrey. I knew from the moment its destruction was introduced to the story that someone was going to find a way to bring it back eventually, and this seemed like a reasonable time for it. And–I wasn’t paying attention in 2005, so maybe someone else can tell me whether or not people got angry at Davies for writing it out? He only did it because he didn’t want to fool with the Time Lords, as I understand it–except that he then decided he did want to fool with them for a few episodes, and had to find a way to do that. So…not a big deal to me.
The things I didn’t care for:
-Osgood (and why give her an Os name, after Oswin and Oswald?) didn’t need to be an asthmatic fangirl. I enjoyed her (she was rather meta and genre-savvy), and I liked the trading of an essential item between human and Zygon double, but it did not need to play into that stereotype.
-And QE1 was a bit more…bubbly? than I would expect of the character, but they showed us a behind-the-scenes feature in the theater, in which it became apparent to me that that is Joanna Page’s own personality, so probably a casting or an acting problem.
-It seemed odd to me that Clara could snap her fingers to close the TARDIS doors.
Things I particularly did like:
-I enjoyed most of the cast thoroughly, and especially thought Billie Piper was fabulous. I had always interpreted Bad Wolf as Rose + TARDIS, and I could see both characters, plus something other that must have been The Moment itself.
-Did you see those collars some of the Time Lords were wearing? The ones made out of lace-like Gallifreyan writing? This was a really pretty adventure.
-Basically every scene in which more than one Doctor was present, but especially the “same software” bit.
-There were a lot of parts when I could laugh, and a lot when my heart hurt, but I didn’t get mood whiplash.
Aaand this post is quite long enough, so I will only say that I went home happy and exhausted.
I think I finally understand The Doctor. I finally get why Nine, Ten, and even Eleven were/are the way they were/are. Now I really need to know what sort of Doctor Capaldi will be.
And I think I’m going to send in an audition for Sons of Gallifrey. There’s no chance of actually getting the proffered walk-on role, of course, but it would be awesome just to be able to say I did it.
Ahhhh! I’m sending in an audition too, probably.
POSSIBLE NOT REALLY SPOILERS FOR DAY OF HE DOCTOR BUT PUTTING THIS HERE JUST IN CASE. Seeing the episode a second time this evening in 3D I found that I actually really likedthe episode when I wasn’t sitting there with bated breath, terrified about which way Mofdat would go and how badly he’d destroy Who canon this time.
Also I was much more impressed by the 3D than I expected. I usually find my attempts at 3D movies usually are a but of a letdown and just serve to remind me of te fact my ears aren’t level. But this one I felt the 3D worked really well, wash gimmicky, and actually added to it. It’s a shame it was one night only for in theatre 3D because it was beautiful and is watch it again. Well worth the $15 a ticket. And I didn’t even notice the lack of levelness of my ears with he glasses this time
Watched the doctor who special yesterday. I liked it a lot, but I feel like a lot of the recent episodes have been kind of like getting really drunk: it feels fantastic while it’s happening and you’re all like “YEAH MAN THIS IS THE BEST” and then afterwards it’s all like “..wait… what… he.. she.. who… I don’t even.. did that really happen… but..”
A lot of people have been saying that since Peter Capaldi’s earlier roles included getting angry at people and cussing them out, that he’ll say things like “(cake) get in the (cake)ing TARDIS for (cake)’s sake, (cake) it” but I really hope he doesn’t. I watch this show with my parents and my little sisters, all of whom are completely uncomfortable with this sort of stuff. I probably wouldn’t be allowed to watch the show anymore.
Re: Moffat and sexism: I didn’t really read that much into it, and objectively I can see how it was pretty biased. Really I just want someone like Donna back, who was super cool and sassy and did awesome things and was good friends with the Doctor.
Capaldi has also played some daffy innocents. I don’t think prior roles are necessarily a very good guide to how the next incarnation of a 50-year-old tradition will be interpreted.
So…..I just watched the Christmas special of Doctor Who. And….I surprisingly think I really liked it. A lot. Surprisingly because Moffatt’s last season (especially the latter half, or maybe just the latter half), really left a bad taste for me and I just didn’t care for it. And honestly Moffatt’s whole run I’ve been a little bit meh about. But I like this.
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I’m glad that answers have finally been answered and I think I actually finally understand what the heck has happened in Eleven’s run. Because I was just snarking to mom the other day after she finished season 6, about how stuff from season 5 still made no sense, even after season 7. And how all these unanswered questions about the cracks and silence (Silents) ahve been drug out for SO BLOODY LONG and gah. And now it’s answered.
And the whole ten regenerating but keepig his face because of vanity or whatever? and Smith’s doctor really being the 13th and final reincarnation? What? Why do I not remember this? unless they’re referring to “ten dot 2” aka human clone look a like version of ten, in the alternate world? I’m confused. I feel like I’m forgetting something important, and it’s just niggling at the back of my brain, but I can’t place it.
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Oh. Nevermind. I knew I had a vague memory of it, mainly mom asking me “is he regenerating now? Is this his last episode?” worrying that omg tennant (her favorite doctor, because she thinks he’s hot. yeah. this is my life, lol) was going to be gone and she would be stuck with “that dorky guy”. But I couldn’t remember which one, and had hte vague memory of him having regen sparkles and stuff but not regenerating, and I looked it up and found it. “Stolen Earth”, next to last episode of season 4.
The problem with having watched so many animated Star Trek episodes on the plane up here when I was having a hard time retaining consciousness at points? I can’t remember what the last one I watched was…..
Okay. Wow. Apparently I watched three more than I could remember in detail. And one of which I was sure I couldn’t have watched, because no way would I forget Spock being sick and the drugs being stolen by Orions….Except all the dialog inthe first 4 minutes was like deja vu, and skiping through the episode, i definitely watched it….So that’s scary. eep
Oh. Oh wow. So I was flipping through my “special 20th anniversary edition” Star Trek compendium that my sis and brother in law found at a thrift store/pawn shop/somewhere and gave me for Christmas. And a caption for a picture of Number One from the episode “the Cage”/”Menagerie”. “Number One (Majel Barrett)@
How did I never realize that Numbe One and Christine Chaoek were played by the same woman? I’ve seen “the cage” once, “Menagerie” twice. And Barrett has a somewhat distinctive voice. Totally did a double take “wait, what!?” when I saw that caption
Barrett also was the voice of the computer and played Deanna Troi’s seductive mother, Lwaxana, on TNG.
It seems that the GAPAS know everything.
Not really, but we do know some things.
I knew she was the voice of the computer, but not her role on TNG. Then again, the only TNG I’ve watched was a few eps when I was a little kid (still working my way through the animated series, then have the first six movies to watch before starting TNG. Got the first season on DVD for Christmas, though.
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So, I liked it. Quite a bit. Probably because I’ve moved past the phase where I nitpick everything. Like, I had the rabid fangirl phase when I first started watching, and then the season 6 break happened, and then I turned really cranky for some reason (maybe missing Tennant). If nitpicking does happen, now I know that it doesn’t really matter if I like the episode despite the nitpicking. Or something. I don’t know.
I didn’t like a lot of the series 7 episodes, and maybe it was because of nitpicking? Or they could have been genuinely bad. I haven’t rewatched any of them so I don’t know. But “Day of the Doctor” was so good that it kind of erased all bad feeling I had about the show that would bias me. I need to go into each episode with no expectations at all, so I don’t bring down any average-to-above-average episodes.
Anyway, I was glad that pretty much all the plotlines I was upset about from season 6 (and 5, but mostly 6) were explained a bit. I really did expect them to just be left hanging.
Handles was so adorable. Faithful ’till the end.
The final scene was really touching. Having Amy there was good, too. Yes. I was hoping for more from Capaldi than the NuWho standard “Woah, new body! Ack! TARDIS crashing!” I really want to know what his costume will be! Hopefully there will be some photographs before season 8.
In summary, the regeneration was touching, and I liked the episode.
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Despite not really understanding the plot all that much (it was all a bit rushed), it was Matt’s last episode, and his leaving was very touching. I can’t claim to be totally happy with Moffat’s writing, but hey, I like Eleven and I was sad to see him go. I’ll be excited to see what sort of changes Capaldi brings.
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So. I had thought this episode pretty much answered all the questions that had been raised. But Friday and Saturday, I rewatched all of season 7, finally getting my mom caught up. (Meaning, I watched a but one episode of the worst half season of doctor who, all in one day. Almost all in one sitting. It was painful. Very painful)
And I realized something, watching all of Clara’s episodes in 2 days. In ring of akhaten it was established her mother died. And her father was pretty young. In the latest Christmas special, though, she’s having dinner with what I thought were her parents and gramma? And I’m sure that’s not the same actor for dad, and I guess the woman is never referred to as mom, but…..what?????? I’m now so confused. An when did she move out of the kids’ house she babysat for and into an apartment? What?
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I know, I was confused, too! I suppose those are her adoptive parents? I guess??? It’s strange that she suddenly has this family when her lack of a family was a big part of her (almost nonexistent) character. There should have been at least an inkling of explanation.
That probably isn’t her apartment, though, unless I’m missing something. Her adoptive parents’ or gran’s.
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…or maybe they’re an aunt and uncle–does she call the man “dad?”
Again, frustration.
Time of the Doctor: I am ten minutes in and sort of furious.
Twenty minutes in: haven’t I seen this episode before? Or possibly many, many times?
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1) Yes. We get it. The name of the show. Very clever. MOVE ON.
2) “The time war will begin anew” … why?
3) Oh gosh this soundtrack, it has been too long.
4) ?? Why have many years passed, can we please not do this
5) Matt Smith is so good.
6) THE [insert season/era/event/action] OF THE DOCTOR
7) The angry feminist and the sappy romantic inside of me are doing battle.
8 ) Not this theme music, this is the theme music that happens before something awful.
9) Oh no I’m crying
10) Episode over, still crying, I miss Matt Smith a lot, also Amy Pond, ugh.
Can Steven Moffatt please go away.
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I wish Moffat would leave and we’d get a writer who could actually do female characters with depth who weren’t just feisty/hot for the doctor. But I’m excited about Capaldi, in the little bit we saw of him he seemed to get the creepy / alien aspect that I loved so much with Eccleston and that we haven’t had since.
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A.L. – Very much agreed on the plot – I would go so far as to say I felt there was really no plot, just a “last tribute to 11th doctor let’s throw everything in and see what comes out” sort of plot. The whole thing was very…disjointed. Really disliked the beginning, which seemed like a case of it being really late at night and the writers having no ideas whatsoever so it was like, “Hey, let’s go for nudity!” Though I will give credit for the “He’s Swedish” line.
Found the regeneration to be slightly anti-climactic, in that he does have the whole really cool blowing up of the daleks and other enemies with regeneration energy, but then when we next see him it’s 11 young again and then poof, in half a second we have Capaldi. But to be fair, it was a touching goodbye. I know personally I wasn’t so attached to Matt Smith’s doctor – really obsessed with Tennant. But I am really excited to see what Capaldi will be like.
Lizzie: In terms of getting female characters with depth, I wonder what would happen if Joss Whedon wrote an episode or two…
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Has anyone seen “The Empty Hearse” yet?
Yup.
Yes!
Finally finished watching the animated series of Star Trek and am getting started on the first 6 movies. The DVD of TMP has previews for the 2009 movie. All the feels. Now I feel the urge to go watch th 2009 movie again (I mean, I’ve only watched it 3 times, afterall. Unlike Into Darkness which I’ve seen….7 times. Although I wasn’t very awake the 7th).
And it’s also making a very good case for TOS on bluray. Except I dont’ even have a bluray player. Plus I already have all of TOS on DVD. But bluray you can watch the original and the remastered versions, and switch between, etc etc, whereas my DVDs are unfortunately the remastered version, only. Maybe one day when I have tons of extra spending money (shhhh, it’s my imagination, I can pretend) I can get it in bluray with all the extra awesomeness.
And it’s one in the morning. Don’t expect sanity, please.
Nearly two solid minutes of black screen with just music playing…..Was beginning to worry that there was something wrong with my computer/DVD……*momentary terror*
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Wait. am I the only one who can’t tell the difference between Romulan ships and Klingon? Because I swear in the TAS episode I watched earlier today, ships with this exact design were Romulan. But these are Klingons. I’m confused. The internet was not helpful. I give up.
OH MY GOD. Spock. Spock. SPOCK. WHHAT THE CAKE DID YOU DO TO YOUR HAIR. OMG NO. PLEASE NO. Fix it. Please. I’m begging you.
Holy cake lady. Cut your nails. And careful or you’ll put Spock’s eye out. Jeeez. Those claws are a freakin’ health hazard. *shudder*
“Consciousness calling you from space”, and talking to your human half? Like…..Captain Kirk’s consciousness calling to him from space? Like…..this really is one big giant Spork love story like the internet suggests?
OMG that’s Rand?! SHe got old.
And Kirk’s “Oh my god” reaction to the transporter malfunction, such a massive understatement I just lost it and started laughing…..
Okay, seriously, what’s with the little lone astronaut floating outside the ship in every external view we have of any of these darn ships? I mean, hey, spaceship monitory a giant energy field, let’s have a random astronaut doing a bleeding space walk?! Say what?
What. What. WHAT. WHAT THE CAKE IS GROWING ON YOUR FACE BONES. KILL IT. KILL IT WITH FIRE. OMG PLEASE MAKE IT GO AWAY. I THINK IT’S ALIVE. OR MAYBE JUST HAS A BUNCH OF LITTLE ANIMALS LIVING INSIDE IT. PLEASE. AWAY AWAY AWAY. SHAVE IT OFF NOW
Could you look any more in love when seeing Spock again, Kirk? Also, of course Chapel is one of the first people to make their way to the bridge to see him. Still lovestruck, herself, I”m guessing.
Woah. Awkward silence there, much, Spock? Would it kill you to acknowledge Bones? I seriously just choked on my own saliva laughing at that awkward pause…. ((It’s 2 in the morning. cut me some slack))
Nice to se they’ve finally installed something akin to seatbelts. Even if half the crew is standing up without them down in engineering. It’s a start, though.
“I need him.” Kirk’s reactions to Spock’s reaction to this…yeah. the poor guy has got it bad for Spock.
“I hsould have known” “What should you have known?” “This” *holding hands with Kirk* “This simple feeling is beyond V’ger’s comprhension”. Oh, Spock. Spock, there’s nothing simple about love. And really, the way you’re looking into Kirk’s eyes, and holding his hand, and hello, Vulcans kiss with their fingers, you might as well just say “I love you” and save everyone a bunch of trouble.
Oh my god Chapel, your nails. You need a nail trim, too. That’s…..that’s……you’re a doctor. That is so unhygeinic. Do you do *surgery* with nails that long? Because that is so many levels of not okay, even if you didn’t puncture holes in the gloves. Because you’re not suppose to have nails past your finger tips if you’re doing surgery, because it’s a breeding ground for bacteria. Just….*shudder*
“What do you suggest we do: spank it?” God, bones, please don’t make me laugh. my parents are asleep it’s 3 in the morning, don’t make me laugh.
Overall impression: Well, I certainly wouldn’t call it the Kirk/Spock love story I’ve hear it referred to as nor would I say the episode only makes sense in context of said relationship as I’ve also heard. yeah, there were definite Kirk/Spock moments, but that was far from the main point. It was more a less interesting, far more drawn out, retelling of the season 2 TOS episode “The Changeling.”
I didn’t dislike themovie, but maybe I’m just too use to the action packed movies of modern day, but it seemed to move incredibly slowly at points. I mean, the view of them coming up on the Enterprise was nice and all, good effects, stunning I”m sure at the time the movie was made, but…….it just drug on and on and on, minutes of them coming up on the Enterprise, no dialog, no nothing, just the view and music, and well, honestly? I was getting bored. I mean, I get why they would choose to spend so long on it, because at the time people were probably staring open mouthed at the theatre screen in awe of the amazingness of it, but that’s a bit lost in translation on a computer screen. Plus I guess it takes more than pretty visuals for me. The scene showing the massiveness of V’ger’s planet shell was a bit drawn out, as well. But again I’m sure were I to have seen this in theatres when it came out (had I been born, of course), that I probably would have been open mouthed in awe. Instead of mildly bored.
And Decker. I kinda felt bad for him throughout the movie, having his command stripped away, with Kirk being an arrogant jerk. Speaking of Decker–is he the son of Matt Decker from “Doomsday Machine”? Also I feel like he looks vaguely familiar. And I don’t know why. His acting history on IMDb doesn’t have anything that jumps out at me. Huh.
Also. I should go to bed. It’s almost 4am, and I need to be getting on Florida schedule where I’ll be at “work” at 8am. Which would be…..um, right now. Yeah. about that. That’s gonna be a fun switcheroo of my sleep schedule
Apologies to the GAPA who gets landed with reading this post. and e-cookies to anybody who actually reads this whole post. And apologies. Tiredness and lateness make me rambly and I think I just live babbled the first movie in way too much detail. So yeah. There’s that. I’m goign to sleep now.
Aaaaaand, time for “The Wrath of Khan”. We’ll see how the movie is when I know how it ends.
Oh, and look, right on cue. I’m getting ready to try to watch a movie on my computer screen, and my cat comes along and jumps on the bed with me, most likely with the goal of ensuring I can’t see the screen here momentarily, lol. Nope, apparently laying right on top of my ankles in a rather painful way for me is his choice, tonight.
Also, previews for Star Trek 2009 again.
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Kobayashi Maru. Haha, this is totally NOT a real distress call. Of course I wouldn’t know that if I watched stuff in the right order. Like not having seen 2009 already, lol.
Also these outfits are much better than on TMP. Those weird little footsie pant things made me thing somebody crossed jumpsuit with pajamas and came out with a really unflatteirng and idiotic looking uniform…..
Damn. This is a very realistic simulation. Is it not a sim in this?
That’s an….oddly “come hither” pose for Bones. Also he looks oddly younger than the last movie, even after he shaved the animal off his face in the last one. Weird.
Wow. That modern day EXIT sign looks terribly out of place in a futuristic space ship…..
Oh, thank goodness. I would have been worried about Chekov’s sanity and his brain if he didn’t remember Botany Bay.
Are those the same insect thingies that Nero used on Pike in the 2009 movie? Because they look similar, but infinitely grosser while they’re burrowing into their brain in this movie. *shudder*
Also, wow. Khan has some pretty impressive pectorals, there.
Oh, look, the random lone astronaut on a spacewalk is back.
Why on earth would Scotty carry the burn victim up to the bridge? Surely taking him direct to sickbay makes more sense if he’s still alive? Or even if he’s not?????
Saavik isn’t a very Vulcan Vulcan. and what is with her eyebrows? Those are totally not vulcany. At all.
Wow. Talk about cruel. In the wake of Spock’s death, with no one knowing he would be back, when this movie was first released, to have Nimoy voice the “These are the voyages….” words right before the credits start rolling? Yeah. Give that giant knife a good sharp twist while it’s still embedded in my heart, why don’t you.
And yeah. Even though I knew they killed Spock (and even though I know he becomes unkilled in some manner that I know more details of than I’d like before seeing the movie), I totally cried when Jim came running down from the bridge. And the similar woding to how they did it in Into Darkness, and having both those images in my head, just made it that much more emotional. And when Kirk looks to SPock’s chair, and realizes Bones’ concern involves Spock in danger? And his words, his facial expressions, his emotion while spock is dying, and then his eulogy. How anybody could possibly deny the exact depth of his feelings for Spock….is beyond me. and it just totally broke my heart to pieces.
But on a happy note, I was so sure David got killed off, and maybe he does in a future movie and I just have it confused in my head, in which case please do not set me straight, but I spent the whole movie thinking he got killed because I was s ure I’d read that Kirk’s kid with Marcus got killed off, that when he was still alive at the end, and then went to Kirk’s room….And I knew, I just knew that he’d figured it out, that he was Kirk’s kid, and when he was on his way out, and he turned around to say that yeah, that’s why he was there, but also–I knew, I knew what he was going to say. Spoke it int he pause before he did (although there was no one but my cat to witness that, so you’ve just got to take my word for it, lol), “I’m proud to be your son.” And that just hit me right in the feels, and if I hadn’t still had tears on my face from Spock’s death, that would definitely ahve done me in, because I’ve totally become one of those people who cry at pretty much any emotionally charged thing in books/movies/whatever. So yeah. And then they hugged. And it was just so right, and all the feels.
And then Kirk talking about Spock again, and more sadness. And then the twisting of the knife deeper when Nimoy’s voiceover comes on before the credits, and I’m just like wow you cruel cruel bastards, doing that to those poor movie goers, killing Spock and then having Nimoy do the oviceover? Even knowing Spock isn’t dead for good, that mae me want to start crying again, and had I not known that, it definitely would have sent me back over the edge big time, and that’s just so cruel of them. I can just imagine the theatre being full of a mass of sobbing people, and them all leaving the theatre tear streaked.
Anyway, overall opinion: I like this movie a lot better than the first one. It had much better pacing, not so much long drawn out, nothing going on scenes. It wasn’t constantly action packed, by any means, but it flowed well, it didn’t seem unnecessarily drawn out. It kept my interest.
I could have sworn the evens were suppose to be the bad ones, and the odds good, but maybe I have that switched in my head? Or maybe, like with TOS, some of the well known “bad” episodes (SPock’s Brain) I actually really liked, while one of the “good” episodes (Trouble with Tribbles) I was not at all impressed with, really.
So yeah. This one I enjoyed far more. And hopefully having cried a bit, I don’t wake up with swollen eyelids tomorrow and a puffy face. I would hope not, I didn’t cry very much/hard, but my face is weird with how it responds to that kind of thing when I cry even a little right before bed.
This is a Trek movie I can definitely see rewatching again. TMP, less keen on that.
And apparently I’ve been mispronouncing Saavik’s name in my head all this time I’ve read it in fanfic.
And it’s 3 am and I should go to bed.
Oh, SFTDP, but I also loved the “Are you out of your Vulcan mind” that we got again from Bones in this. I’m totally keeping track of those, as well as Spock’s fascinatings (and I definitely beat Spock to the punch with his “fascinating” in regards to the classified little video Kirk showed him on Genesis). One ‘you’re out of your Vulcan mind” in “Gamesters of Triskelion” and “are you out of your Vulcan mind” in “Elaan of Troyius”, “Wrath of Khan”, and of course, the 2009 Star Trek movie.
I am finally caught up on the episodes of Doctor Who and Legend of Korra that I missed while in Costa Rica.
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I liked Day of the Doctor. I was a little apprehensive going in because I’d been spoiled for the big reveal at the end by complaints about it. But actually watching, I felt like bringing the Time Lords back was the most Doctor-y choice the Doctor(s) could make. I don’t really feel like it’s some crime against continuity or against RTD, because I think that Doctor Who doesn’t really have super tight continuity, and it never did. It’s more In Broad Strokes. Maybe in the beginning it did, but after 50 years and multiple showrunners and all their different takes on things? So I’m not opposed to bringing the Time Lord back. If Moffat hadn’t done it, somebody else would in the future, and with just as good quality explanation. How many villains has that already happened to in NuWho? I mean, the Master has been coming back from presumable death since forever. (If Gallifrey is back that means he’s back too. Ooooh. Though I don’t think anything will be done with him for a while.)
The other reason I’m glad it happened is because now the Doctor has less reason to angst. And that makes me happy because now he’ll be a happier person. I was also getting really sick of the Doctor’s manpain, though. I like angst and tragic backstories, but after a certain point of several seasons’ worth of it, I stopped caring. Like, go get therapy or something, I just don’t want to see you complain on screen anymore. And usually I don’t hate when characters react realistically to trauma, but this particular plot device has just been way too overdone. Too many dead/disappeared companions, too much tragedy; you’d think he’d have gone through the stages of grief already. Except that it’s a continuous ongoing process, because the Doctor keeps exposing himself to that sort of situation, but he doesn’t stop and there’s not enough focus on why he wouldn’t and the good things that result from his travels. The Day of Doctor gave me the same sort of feeling watching The Doctor Dances did. Everybody lives, just this once, and it’s awesome. So was Billie Piper and 8 1/2 and the Doctors’ banter.
As an aside, somebody needs to write a way for companions to leave that doesn’t horribly traumatize them. RTD and Moffat are just as bad at this, in my opinion. The only person who willingly leaves the Doctor in the show and stays left is Martha. Because she was horribly traumatized by her time with him. Also less companion/Doctor romance, please. Now that Capaldi’s Doctor now and therefore not young and attractive maybe this will change. Though this does dovetail into the “Moffat can’t write women” issue.
So, onto Time of the Doctor. I liked that it resolved long-standing issues from the beginning of 11’s tenure, but still would have preferred that it resolved them earlier. Overall, my opinion is pretty meh. I have no strong feelings. I look forward to seeing Peter Capaldi as the Doctor, though.
Now I’m going to talk about the second season of Legend of Korra. If you have been reading everything, wow. Congratulations. I liked the second half of the season better than the first half. Ok, the pacing for this season felt very odd. It wasn’t episodic at all, it kind of felt like the writers were trying to cram too much in, and it kept switching POVs from one storyline to another so quickly I got whiplash. I really feel that both seasons of LoK had enough concepts to provide a full season, not just a mini-season. I know it was probably an executive decision from Nick and not the writer’s fault, but still.
Plot-wise, I spent the first few eps wanting to bang my head against the wall because of Korra’s lack of political savvy. Seriously, how could she miss the implications of bringing an army into another country?! The Avatar is an important political figure and diplomat. I realize Korra’s not the diplomatic type, but her teachers really ought to have included a couple lessons on political science and on reading people in the curriculum. Also, I LOVED Iroh showing up and the scenes in the spirit world and the ending and the Avatar backstory is growing on me even though it conflicted with prior headcanons. Also, Mako standing up for his ideals. And the breakup. Loved the breakup. I feel like the writers were trying to teach a lesson there, about keeping a sick relationship going, and although I haven’t looked at other people’s reactions yet I am sure that a lot of shippers missed the point. I also want more characterization of Eska and Desna, besides them being a joke, or scary, or a scary joke. I still have no idea what’s up with them and their motivations.
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I basically agree with you. The first half was meh, what with Korra being immature, Bolin’s terrible storyline, Beifong carrying the Idiot Ball, and Asami, one of my favourite characters, not doing much. In the second half, we had Wan, Eska and Desna became actual characters, there was an amazing final battle, it was a happy ending but there were permanent consequences for the world, and they finally broke up.
Now I need to get around to finishing The Search.
This is basically my exact reaction. Except I object just a tiny bit to the non-cannonicy.
So. Sherlock. Sign of Three. I think that might have been my favorite of all the Sherlock episodes. I even think I might like Mary.
Yes, totally! I really liked his wedding speech, and Sherlock fighting against Mycroft in his head. It was so tense!
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I watched the episode late at night so I wasn’t too observant of details, but I think that Sherlock would have noticed something strange about the lady talking about the wedding way earlier than he actually did. Or was his hangover just that bad?
All of this just makes me super excited for the next episode, because I expect CAM will be an amazing villain. I read roughly half of the original Sherlock Holmes stories two years ago (didn’t read “Hound of the Baskervilles” but read a few stories after it), and remember CAM being really terrifying and disgustingly evil. It will make for a fantastic episode.
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Drunk John and Sherlock are the cutest.
Mary is great, and I really appreciate how well the three of them work together. It’s adorable.
I really hated how not-waltz-y the waltz was. I also wanted to cry forever when Sherlock didn’t dance.
The past two episodes have been interesting, because they’re more focused on the relationships of the characters than the cases, but I really appreciate how they portray those relationships, so I really enjoyed them.
I just finished watching every episode of Sleepy Hollow that has come out. I like it.
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So, did anyone remember that Ten had used up a regeneration, bringing it to twelve, and guess what was coming?
I liked most of the opening. Hey, I’m running around doing dangerous stuff because I go exciting places, and I’m also casually talking on the phone. Just like, well, Nine and Ten.
I saw the beginning, then the end, while I was in NZ. I found it somewhat depressing seeing the middle. I would have expected myself to think “You’re not getting me today! I’ve just cheated death again, oh, and I’m defeating you! To no one’s surprise because this show is probably going to make it to a 100th anniversary in whatever-D, but yay Timelords!”.
I liked the unexpected tying up of loose ends, although I’m not sure it was optimal to leave them hanging for so long.
Papal Mainframe = Borg cube, but that’s okay because Tasha Lemm > Borg Queen
Ageless character, living among a simple community of humans, standing between them and technologically advanced aliens = Enoch from Way Station. Oh my.
Seriously, Doctor, seriously? I suppose it’s been a few centuries… (Wait. In The Day of the Doctor, Eleven was 400 years older than the War Doctor, plus The War Doctor would have soon regenerated into Nine, who was 900 when he met Rose. Eleven has lived out another 300 years. So… New Who has covered, in less than a decade, almost as much of the Doctor’s lifetime so far as Classic Who.)
but don’t you remember what happened the last time you involuntarily sent your companion home to save her? Well, you did tell the Tardis to come back this time, but still. And seriously, Clara, you should have realised what was up the second time he did that.
I’m looking forward to Peter Capaldi’s Doctor. I’m not sure Clara will work as his companion, but it should be interesting.
SHERLOCK. HIS LAST VOW.
I’m dying. I’m actually dying here. That was some of the BEST television I have ever seen.
I’m dead.
Yep, basically. After TSoT, I didn’t think it could possibly get any better… but I was wrong.
(SPOILERS FOR “HIS LAST VOW,” THE THIRD AND LAST EPISODE IN THE THIRD SEASON OF SHERLOCK). I’d read enough meta to be pretty sure Mary had some kind of dark secret (although I was also sure her feelings for John were genuine), and I thought it was probably not something we’d end up hating her for after they went to such an effort making everyone love her, but this was even more interesting than I’d hoped. And I was pretty terrified about Jeanine, but fortunately, that was explained adequately. I’m completely fine with John marrying someone he married in the original books, and I was delighted with how awesome they made her, but they cannot give Sherlock a girlfriend. Ever ever ever. Especially not someone he barely knows and we barely know.
But really, that was ridiculously amazing. I don’t know how I’m going to wait for series 4.
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The Mary thing shocked me – although I thought they might make something of the ‘Liar’ deduction from The Empty Hearse, I wasn’t expecting something like this. John handled it so well at the end – “The problems of your past are your business. The problems of your future are my privilege” (I nearly cried).
I knew the whole Jeanine thing was a ruse, though; if you’ve read the original stories, Holmes does the exact same thing of pretending to be engaged to Milverton’s housemaid to learn about Milverton’s routine, etc. They could never give Sherlock a girlfriend.
And – Moriarty. As does everyone, I despise Moriarty, but I absolutely adore Andrew Scott, I think he’s brilliant. It’s also good he came back, because otherwise Sherlock would have gone off to Eastern Europe. I was tearing up when they were on the plane runway saying goodbye.
I did love particularly love Mycroft here, I always do, but the line about “Your loss would break my heart”, whether he meant it or not, I absolutely loved that line.
All in all, that was a ridiculously intense 90 minutes television, my heart was racing for most of it. Not a dull moment. I’m still recovering.
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Jumping Jehosaphat that was amazing. I really should have seen the twist happening since they did so much more with Sherlock’s mind palace this season.
And speaking of the mind palace, I’ve absolutely loved every sequence. The tension built up is so immense, it’s mind-boggling. Sherlock goes down to the crazed Moriarty cell to die–Jeez, it’s terrifying.
And speaking of Moriarty, need I say more? The false credits music had me; I knew I still had a few minutes to go in the video and was a bit confused. Would an after-credits scene in a TV show really be over a minute long? BUT NO THERE’S A WHOLE NOTHER SEQUENCE.
This show is so enthralling, it’s crazy. It’s even hard to find words to describe it.
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I just watched it, and the end had me tearing up and then laughing my head off. Also, the bit after Sherlock shot Magnussen was breathtaking. What a good show.
I’ve read some of the original stories, but not that one (yet). And… some adaptations do ridiculous things.
I agree with pretty much everything both of you said.
It’s in ‘The Adventure of Charles August Milverton’. And I think Moffat and Gatiss are good at staying true to Conan Doyle’s original intentions (though within a modern setting, of course).
(This definitely belongs on Rants and Plaints, but I’m not logged in, I forgot my password (my computer remembered it earlier, but that computer’s not working) and WordPress is down and can’t send it to me. So… this is ranty.)
I somehow got to looking through interviews with Moffat and I am so angry there are actually tears in my eyes right now. I just… “The original [Sir Arthur Conan Doyle] stories had a huge female following, which I’d never forgotten, and that’s because the Victorian ladies liked the way Sherlock looked. So I thought, use this massively exciting, rather handsome man who could see right through your heart and have no interest … of course, he’s going to be a sex god! I think we pitched that character right. I think our female fan base all believe that they’ll be the one to melt that glacier. They’re all wrong — nothing will melt that glacier.”
All. All. And here I thought I enjoyed this show partly because finally there was someone on television who was somewhat like me (…the no interest part, not the “massively handsome,” “could see right through your heart” stuff), even if I already knew about Moffat saying that Sherlock could never actually be asexual because there’s “no fun in that.” Also because, you know, mysteries? Humor? Suspense? The same things that would make anybody else watch the show?
I’m just staring at my computer and making incoherent noises because there’s so much horrible stuff.
I know, Moffat doesn’t seem to like ace representation. He also said bisexuals didn’t need to be represented because they were “having far too much fun” dating two genders to watch his TV shows.
However, Moffat and Gatiss answered a flat “no” when asked if Mycroft would ever have a love interest, and everybody associates him with cake, so I headcanon him as asexual.
Moffat said what about asexual and bisexual representation?! I knew there was a reason I didn’t like this guy…
Ungh, yeah. He also has denied the idea that Sherlock is asexual because “that’s no fun”. And he’s irritated me on so many other fronts to boot…I want a new Doctor Who showrunner for the next gift-giving occasion rather badly.
Everyone associates him with cake?
Not in-show but as sort of a fandom meme on external sites. It’s probably tied to Sherlock always making fun of Mycroft’s weight and dieting. People make Mycroft/Cake shipping videos and such.
Yet this is the man who wrote Captain Jack Harkness… of course, as great as Captain Jack is, he is a lot like what someone who’s never met or talked to an actual bisexual person would think a bisexual person was like. :/
I think Jack Harkness was great. I also think he was a personification of the stereotype. I just thought originally that that was intentional – showing people that even people who fit into the stereotype could be awesome. But if Moffat actually believes it…
I’m not saying he hasn’t written things which I think were brilliant – my favorite episode of all time is the one where Harkness shows up for the first time. But I take issue with discrimination no matter who is doing it.
I’ve seen those particular gems of wisdom quoted a few times before, and they always hack me off. Moffat has very little respect for his fans. He seems to see them all as idiots, and spits in their faces for enjoying the content he produces. I think his faults have been outlined enough times before, and I won’t be redundant. But there’s a difference between knowing your audience and being able to elicit emotional reactions from them, and from completely manipulating your audience to the point where the whole point of anything you set up in the show is to tear it down later and gleefully watch your fans suffer. If the fans catch on that the writer doesn’t dare, eventually they too will stop caring, and I think that’s already happened with a lot of Doctor Who fans.
tl;dr even if moffat wasn’t a sexist writer I still really hate the way that he runs shows, and can totally sympathize with your feeling of betrayal.
I just got my friend to watch Doctor Who for the first time!!!
Now we’re pulling an all-night marathon. My day is caking MADE!
I started watching Merlin this week, and I just finished “Lancelot and Guinevere.” So, um, here be spoilers. I think this is sufficient as a warning? It should be enough for the recent comments bar. And I don’t even know if anyone here watches it, and it’s finished, so.
There were a lot of things I liked about the episode, but the things I didn’t like stand out more. Arthur being in love with Gwen? Totally fine; it’s not like it came out of nowhere. Arthur saying he cared more about her than anyone? Not fine; if two characters are canonically described as two halves that make each other whole, then they have to be the most important people in each other’s lives. Period. There is no reason why Gwen should mean more to Arthur than Merlin except for amatonormativity. And… not that I’m not used to seeing that everywhere, but I was expecting this would be different given how much it was emphasized that Arthur was Merlin’s destiny, that they were two sides of the same coin, etc. Actually, I was expecting queerbaiting, but so far, I haven’t noticed any, so since I know they don’t actually get together, I’ve been hoping (and still am) that I won’t have difficulty believing that at any point.
I can deal with this, though. I have to assume that the Great Dragon was just totally lying about destiny, that it doesn’t even exist and that Merlin and Arthur became as close as they did of their own accord and because Merlin believed it was destiny, but I’d been contemplating that headcanon anyway.
Lancelot leaving Guinevere because Arthur was in love with her, and he didn’t want to get in the way, without even having reason to believe she had romantic feelings towards Arthur at all, and this not being called attention to? No. Really not okay. I don’t even know if I’ll be able to enjoy Arthur/Guinevere when it happens anymore. I mean, I know that she conveniently already has some amount of romantic sexual attraction to him, due to past events, but Lancelot doesn’t, at all, so this is really just way too convenient and… no. Ugh. Even if he did know, she should get a say in this since she and Arthur are not in a romantic relationship and there is nothing to come between.
…Cool wedding ceremony, though.
So. The actors who played Sherlock’s parents in Sherlock? Are actually Cumberbatch’s parents.
I know right!
And now, for the latest installment of “Luna is watching Star Trek” that you have all been
dreadingeagerly awaiting with bated breath, brought to you by the number 5 and the letters A & M [aka it’s 5 in the morning and I have about 4 hours before I have to go to bed to be up in time to watch the Olympic opening ceremonies tomorrow evening, and staying up all night is okay because I’m getting on night shift schedule for my night shift in the ICU Saturday and I slept from 10am to 6pm today, without waking up once which is the soundest i’ve slept in a couple days]/After almost a month, and having just gotten caught up on all the television shows I’ve fallen behind on in the 3 weeks I was in Florida, it’s time for “Search for Spock”, which despite being an odd number Trek movie and thus supposedly bad, I am hoping will live up to having “Spock” in the title and thus be absolutely awesome (and hey, I liked Spock’s Brain despite its reputation, so who knows).
So without further ado:
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Hey. Why do these movies keep getting shorter. According to the back of the cover, this one is 105. Which is down 10 minutes from Wrath of Kahn which was 20 minutes shorter than the Motion Picture (although the Motion Picture, if you cut out all the really really long drawn out panoramic shots, probably only had about 100 minutes of movie).
I see Leonard Nimoy is not listed in the opening credits….An attempt to mislead the poor weeping audience that he does not actually come back despite the name of the movie? Well, not listed as being in the movie, anyway. He is listed as directing it.
And David. David is in the opening credits….Which brings back my earlier concern fromt he previous movie where I was so thrilled when he lvied because I was sure I”d read he died. So now I’ll be watching another movie convinced his character won’t live to the end. Hopefully I’m wrong again, but not counting on it.
And Saavik. They changed the actress. Interesting.
“Sir. Your son meant more to me than you could know.” Kirk on Spock to Sarek. Uh-huh. Just say it Kirk. Stop dancing around it.
And wow. You know it’s really late and you’re really brain dead, when you’re sitting here trying to remember exactly the events around Spocks’ death. When a) it’s the same as Kirks in Into Darkness which you’ve seen 7 times, and b) it was replayed 25 minutes ago in the movie you’re currently watching. I feel really smart right about now.
Oooh. Talk about awkward. Mind melding with your daddy-in-law.
Spock-McCoy is hilarious. Spock-McCoy trying to nerve pinch the federation security guy? Beyond hilarious.
oh my god. is it a baby Spock? That….I was not spoilered for. (Spock being alive and McCoy carrying his Katra and all that jazz is old news).
Saavik, dude. What the cake. What happened to Vulcan secrecy about Pon Farr? I don’t think Spock would appreciate you spilling the beans about it quite so easily, even to Kirk’s kid, given how difficult it was for Kirk himself to get Spock to spill. *sigh*
I don’t understand. Why does this Spock form go into Pon Farr so so much younger? I mean, thsi one is at oldest early 20s, looks more like 15 or so though….Actual Spock didn’t go into Pon Farr until around 35 years of age (I don’t recall if we were ever told exactly how old he was suppose to be in the episode Amok Time, but he was well older than this). Because it was clearly stated in AMok Time that it was his first time going into Pon Farr, because he thought he might be spared due to his half human heritage. And now this Spock form is going into it quite young, comparatively. Perhaps normal age for full blooded Vulcans, but quite young compared to the established timeline for half Vulcan half humans like Spock….Yes I am analyzing the movie too much. Stop judging.
Oh god. Oh. No. Please please stop. Saavik. No. So many levels of wrong. You’re like around 30. He looks about 15. And ignoring the fact he was 8 about 5 minutes ago, he looks about 15. Please. Please do not make out with him on screen. Just. Please. Please please please stop. This….is not right.
Well, fudge. I was hoping I wasn’t remembering correctly. Poor Kirk.
“Wait. you said you would kill me.” “I lied.”
Oh god. Watching Spock not recognizing Kirk at first because amnesia from the whole death-katra-fal tor pah thingy. Heartbreaking. And then when Jim said the needs of the one outway the needs of the many, I thought for sure Spock was going to turn around and say that was illogical, and then he said “I am and always shall be your friend” and then remembered Kirk’s name and….Yeah. That made me happy.
Anyway, not sure why this is ranked as being one of the bad movies by the “Star Trek movie curse”, because I quite liked it. Minus the momentary worry that the microbe maggot htings had eaten Spock’s corpse and were going to have to be transported to Vulcan for part of the ritual to bring Spock back…..Yeah. My brain went there.
And hang on. Watching the credits at the end. I so did not recognize the First Officer of hte Excelsior as having been Miguel Ferrer (but then I guess he was obviously quite younger here than he was when he was on Crossing Jordan, lol).
So yeah. Overall reaction? I loved it.
And now I think I’ll head to bed. Have to wake up for the opening ceremonies this evening.
Yeah, I felt pretty much exactly the same way as you did about this one. I really liked it–I loved parts of it–but it definitely did have problems. I overanalyzed, too. I think a friend and I had an entire conversation one time about why Spock’s Pon Farr was working so weirdly here and actually managed to come up with something semi-sensible, after some effort, although I can’t remember any of our explanation, which is pretty annoying.
The TV Tropes page on this particular movie seems to indicate that most viewers didn’t seem to find it horrible, just… not particularly interesting. And it did state that Kirk/Spock shippers tended to feel differently, for the most part.
…Also, you really need to read the novelization of the first movie, if you haven’t already, which I assume you haven’t because you haven’t posted about it. Although Star Trek IV is also really good.
I definitely really liked the movie as a whole. The pon Farr thing though….just didn’t work for me. And every scene with those two since, I can just see the discomfort/awkward sexual tension in Saavik’s body language. Or maybe that’s just Saavik’s actress not being very skilled at plying a Vulcan
And no, I haven’t read the novelization of the first movie. I don’t own itamf haven’t yet tried to look for it on Amazon
Yeah, I agree. And stuff that doesn’t make any sense at all and doesn’t even seem to have a point bothers me, so Spock being so much younger this time around was just baffling.
I bought the novel (used) on Amazon for… I think it was one cent plus shipping? And it’s on the Internet, too. So… it’s not that hard to find.
And now for yet another installment of “Luna watching Star Trek”. Stay tuned to find out if she makes it through all the remaining three original series movies tonight, or if she only makes it through one or two. The gripping saga continues as Luna cracks open a pepsi to begin “The Voyage Home”……
According to my brother in law, either Undiscovered Country or Voyage Home is really horrible and I should skip it but he can’t remember which it is and last I recall was leaning toward the latter. Both are evens which per the “curse” means they should be good. We shall see if I am in agreement with my brother in law or not (that’s a scary thought. agreeing with my brother in law, lol)
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“The cast and crew of Star Trek wish to dedicate this film to the men and women of the spaceship Challenger whose courageous psirit shall live to the 23rd century and beyond….”
“A Leonard Nimoy film”
I like this movie already.
Commander Chapel, eh? Well that’s new.
Also Sarek and Amanda, *squee*. I could do without Saavik though. She’s just so…..boring. No personality.
Also more Klingons. Why am I not surprised there’s going to be more Klingons?
Never really thought I’d feel this way watching Journey to Babel, but woah. Sarek is really kinda caking awesome. I can see where Spock gets it from.
Spock and the computers. It’s so much like the 2009 Trek movie with the little computer bowls. And Spock and his mom talking just has me flashing back to them talking in the 2009 movie. *feels*
Spock in a terry cloth bathrobe. *snork*
Wait. Why isn’t Saavik going to offer her testimony, as well? She was there when the Klingons launched an unprovoked attack on the starship and destroyed it. She can vouch for Kirk having not been the instigator, far better than Spock could given his….compromised state at the time. :/ I don’t get it.
“You really have gone where no man has gone before. Can’t you tell me what it felt like?”
*coughsplutterchoke* yeah. i’m juvenile. but c’mon.
Planetary distress call from the planet Earth? yeah. I’m flashing “back” to Trek 2009 big time, here. Me thinks that one may have been deeply rooted in Voyage Home, much like STID was deeply rooted in Wrath of Khan….
“the transmission is meant for a lifeform other than man”. Wait…..this isn’t the infamous “save the whales” one that I get the impression everyone thinks is really dumb? because if it is….then maybe my brother in law is actually right in his assessment that it’s one to give a miss to (not that I woudl actually skip one. They all must be viewed at least once).
“the president did say it was directed at earth’s oceans”. Yeah. It’s gotta be the save the whales one.
“the probes transmissions are the songs sung by whales”. Well lookee there. it is the save the whales one. Based on the impression I’d gotten from the internet about how bad that one was, I would’ve thought for sure that it was an odd numbered one based on the supposed Star Trek movie curse that hte odds suck….
ROFL. Going back in time to kidnap humpback whales from earth of the past. OMG yeah. I can see why people might not like this. It’s like crackfic. You’ve gotta be in the right mood to find it funny as opposed to stupid.
Oh my god. Spock ripping off a piece of his bathrobe to tie around his ears. McCoy’s reaction is caking priceless. I honest to goodness choked on my own saliva laughing. My brother in law is crazy. This movie is fantastic. I’m dying. It’s total hilarious canon movie equivalent of crackfic.
“Why are you two always fighting?” “I like the way she fights.”
“Why don’t you watch where you’re going, dumb***!” “Well, double dumb*** on you!”
OMG this is great. I honestly think I have a new favorite for the original movies. This. Is. Priceless.
Brilliant plan, Chekov. Go up to a police officer with your cute little Russian accent, in the latter half of the 20th century, inquiring about ‘nuclear wessels”. Nah. That’s not gonna get you any kind of trouble whatsoever.
Spock and his profanity. OMG. This movie is the best.
“He did a little too much LDS.” “LDS?” It’s LSD, Kirk. LSD. Not LDS.
Miiiiiinor little problem with this whole take 2 whales and repopulate the earth with humpbacks plan……Two whales does not lend enough genetic diversity for the population to thrive. With that little genetic diversity, the humpbacks are still screwed, even in the future without people hunting them.
“Do you have a message for your mother?” “Yes. Tell her…..I feel fine.” But. but but Spock. Spock. “Fine has variable definitions. Fine is unacceptable.” I dont’ care that you hven’t said this yet and it’s you from an AU because it’s Quinto SPock to his mother, but Spock. Fine is unacceptable.
Conclusion: Voyage Home is absolutely flamablamablously fantastic. Ridiculous, total crack, but wonderful. I very definitely loved it. I think it’s my favorite of the original movies so far.
So in a secondary conclusion: MY brother in law is nuts. So definitely not one to give a miss to.
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Accidentally read the first three words on the back of this movie: “A renegade Vulcan”. So this is the one where we meant Spock’s half brother Sybok, then? The half brother I shouldn’t know about just like I shouldn’t have known about Saavik, because I haven’t watched these movies? Yeah. Fanfic has spoiled a lot for me, but amazingly nothing to the point of dulling the enjoyment of ht emovies, so that’s good.
“Nimbus III in the Neutral Zone” Wow. Just flashed to Harry Potter, thre. And the Nimbus line of broomsticks…..
SPock’s jet propulsion boots. Those are totally those medical boots they put on people with fractures in their foot/ankle/whatever.
Woah. Did Uhura just come on to Scotty?
Wow, Kirk. Way to take things to a depressing turn. “I’ve always known I”ll die alone.”
O. M. G. Spock toasting a “marsh melon” (aka marshmallow) and the three of htem singing row row row your boat around a campfire. I think I died and went to heaven.
“I liked him better before he died.”
Dude. This Klingon leader guy running the Klingon ship that just shot hte piece of “space junk”? He looks like It, you know, the evil clown thing on the Stephen King movie IT? Yeah. Freaky.
“I could use a shower.” “Yes.” Uh, Spock. Spock, that sounds suspiciously like you are inviting yoruself to a shower with the Captain.
“I miss my old chair.”–Kirk. and then the sad mocking puppy dog face Spock throws in his direction. OMG
Did he just….nerve pinch a horse?!
Kirk just got attacked by a cat stripper…..All his dreams just came true.
Kirk and Spock. Holding each other. In mid air with Spock’s jet boots. OMG
And Bones joining them. “It appears we’re too heavy.” “It must be all those marsh melons.” The first 3 Trek movies made me forget just how hilarious these three could be.
Holy cake. Uhura is very definitely coming on to Scotty. Woah. Although that makes fanfic where those two get paired off once Spock and Uhura split not seem quite so out of left field.
Oh jesus. It’s all canon. All of it. Not just fanon or played out in dubious canon of novels, but 100% canon. Oh, Bones. You poor man. That makes me want to hug you and hold you and assure you that you did the right thing, the only thing you could do, and not to hate yourself becaue you couldn’t know they would discover a cure or even that he would have lived long enough, and he had the right to die on his own terms. ((Yes I take my Star Trek characters too seriously and think of them as real people sometimes))
God. NO wonder Spock has Daddy issues. And issues with his humanity. You’re a jerk, Sarek. Your son just born, and already he’s not good enough for you? dakfjdlsakgjdlskfjdlskfjdl
Thank you, Jim, for asking a question and reassuring me that this is not actually suppose to be any form of any god. And also a very logical and pertinent question, even if this were (a) god. “What does god need with a starship?”
Um. I’m telling you. Kirk was totally about to kiss Spock if it weren’t for Spocks’ “Please cptain not in front of the Klingons.”
Conclusion: So….I’m really not sure what to make of this movie. I dont’ dislike it necessarily but….I don’t necessarily like it. Especially the conclusion. What exactly is the thing at the end suppose to be? Cuz I don’t buy into it being any sort of a god. I dunno. The movie leaves me feeling like there’s something missing, almost. Unfullfilled? I dunno.
Anyway, I think I’m going to call it an early night instead of watching the next movie.
You had heard that “The Voyage Home” was bad? Most of the people I’ve heard talk about it have said it’s one of the best of the movies.
“The Voyage Home” is one of the only pieces of Star Trek media I’ve ever watched, and I thought it was awesome.
I had thought the things I’d heard about “the one with the whales” online was negative. But perhaps I just came to a conclusion that the one with the whles sounded really stupid, base on the premise being all about saving the whales. And in that regard….it sounds like it would be pretty stupid. Ad I can understand for instance why my dad and brother in law don’t care for it. My brother in law I think thought it was te only bad Star Trek movie. And dad says he vaguely remembers watching it and that he remembers thinking it was stupid with a ridiculous premise and being irritated by the obvious “Greeny, treehugger” politics. And that he found te movie “about as funny as slapstick”. Which…..to be fair te movie basically was slapstick, so I’m surprised I like it and found it funny, because like dad I’m not a big fan of that genre and 9.9 times out of 10 find it stupid and painful to watch and not even remotely funny.
So I guess it’s actually weird that I loved it. Anyway. I dunno if I’m making much sense at the moment.
Yessss the one with the whales!
Not to mention transparent aluminum.
Wow. It’s funny reading my comments on Final Frontier. And realizing that I pretty much had identical thoughts (sometimes word for word) about some of these things on my second viewing….when I’d almost forgotten half of the things that happened.
Like the jet propulsion scene. And the cat stripper. And Scotty and Uhura. And just woah. Although me ahving identical thoughts to me is…..probably not surprising, really. but you know. *shrug*
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Sarek!!!!! Yay!!!
LOVING the music so far.
Kirk is furious at Spock.
Also, I am having the most horrible feeling of dread that this movie does NOT end well. I couldn’t remember which movie a certain event happened, but new it could be this one and certainly wasn’t any of the earlier ones, but damn. NOt what I need before going into work is a movie to make me *cry*.
Spock. No one could ever replace you. Ever.
Also, I’m on the verge of tears already, for almost 10 minutes, and technically nothing bad has happened yet. fdalkfjdlskjfls
Oh god. This is not good. This is so so so so not good. Klingon ship you’re protecting getting fired on? Creepy dudes in space suits murdering them all? The forshadowing on this movie, and the overall sense of dread is killing me.
Spock, you sneaky bastard. YOu just slipped a tracking device/bug on Kirk under the guise of a loving pat on the shoulder.
Did I hear that right? In the trial. Did they say Colonel Warf? Warf, like the Klingon on next gen?
I don’t trust Spock’s protege. She seems suspicious. Like she’s guilty of something.
Kirk just snogged by an owl person. Bones’ reaction was priceless. OMG
I knew it. I bloody knew it. I knew that little [female dog] wasn’t the innocent sweet little know it all she pretended to be and was up to no good.
Hey look at that. SPock listened to me and is gonna take those memories from that evil little &^*&^ by force.
Bones doing surgery on a torpedo? Yup. Into Darkness flashback for me.
“If I were human, I believe my response would be ‘Go to hell’. If I were human.” Oh, Spock. Spock, I love you.
Ooooh, I like how they’re using the autographs of the people for the closing credits.
Conclusion: I actually really liked this one. I didnt’ know naything at all about it going in. Except that earlier on this thread I think Biblio expressed dislike and said she’d heard bad things? But other than that, I had no idea of anything at all in it. And I rather liked it, especially once the dread and foreboding at the beginning eased up a bit and I reached the conclusiont hat it wasn’t the movie that had the Very Bad Thing happen, and then I was okay, and not on the verge of tears, and everythign was good again, and I enjoyed the movie.
So in total conclusion: Of the first 6 Trek movies (the only ones I can watch until I’ve seen Next Gen), I loved Voyage Home the best because it was hilarious (my brother in law has no taste in movies), Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock were quite good, Undiscovered Country probably comes in after those, and then TMP wasn’t bad, it just….Had timing issues. As in it was way too slowly paced and made it hard to keep my interest. Final Frontier was just. I dunno. Not bad, just. I dunno. Not good?
A friend of mine was an extra on The Voyage Home. He was a passenger on an elevator, if I remember correctly. Unfortunately, the only viewing I’ve seen of the movie since I knew about his appearance was a pan-and-scan that cut off the relevant part of the screen.
That’s really cool. I’m trying to remember elevator scenes from the movie. The only one I can come up with was in the hospital scene.
But that is seriously cool.
So. Seeing how much next gen I can watch before i have to go to bed at 8am. Not impressed so far (mind you I”m 6 minutes and 18 seconds in,b ut….).
I hate the new Enterprise exterior. I’m trying not to be off put by the fact that the picture quality is surprisingly poor for DVDs (worse than my TOS DVDs, although those were stupid because they had all the “improved” graphics and stuff).
And 6 minutes in and the episode feels like a mishmash of “Tholian Web” and “Squire of Gothos”. And it’s an hour and a half episode……
Also not big on the music in this. Also missing Spock. Because Spock is the bestest thing ever.
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so that explains the detaching saucer Enterprise trope. But seriously. Having families and everything out there on your starship? Sounds like a majorly seriously BAD idea.
Mid 21st century? Wow. They really expected the planet to go to s*** pretty darn fast, didn’t they? I don’t anticipate the planet being that badly off in another 35 years……
Nor do I anticipate the military being controlled by drugs…… :/
I suppose it’s too much to hope the blonde chick is frozen dead for good? She’s really getting on my nerves. And is quite hot headed and needs to learn to follow her captain’s orders better. liking sitting still and shutting up.
Figures. not even frozen one minute. *sigh*
Woah. Riker without a beard. He looks so young. It’s like looking at season 1 pics of Supernatural w/ Sam and then Sam of now.
Does htis Yar woman always look a combination of pissed off/constipated/on the verge of tears? It’s a very off putting expression.
Dude. That ensign totally just checked out Riker’s butt. For reals.
And Picard totally has the hots for the doctor. And quite possibly vice versa. :/
Overall: I’m gonna chalk it’s lack of appeal up to being the pilot episode. Generally, I try and never judge a show by the pilot episode (that is, if the pilot is bad). And besides. I’m watching all of Trek, regardless. And pilot episodes are frequently meh. And I’ve heard nothing but good things about tng, so hoping it’s just a combo of not having any of my favorite people, and being a pilot and that tng will grow on me. Which it probably will. Just if I hadn’t seen TOS and this was my intro to Trek, I’d be kind of unenthused right now I think.
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well this one, between the title and the first 4 minutes where everyone’s dead and things are frozen, I’m flashing back big time to “Naked Time” from TOS. If Levar Burton’s character starts acting wonky, then I’m calling total rip off of Naked Time, where he’s the moron in this episode who does somethings tupid and gets himself infected (at least unlike naked time he wasn’t suppose to be wearing PPE and ditched the gloves to get contaminated and then never told anyone….)
Oh look. Geordi’s sweating. Oh golly gee. Could this be any more a rip off of Naked Time? Wow. Like seriously? Yeah, let’s just reboot TOS and RIP OFF ALL THE PLOTS INSTEAD OF COMING UP WITH NEW ONES.
Yeah, Riker. No bloody *beep* it’s happened before. Right down to the taking the shower in their clothes just like you said. It’s because it’s bloody Naked Time all over again. I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT. Oh, wait, I did. At least they’re acknowledging that they’re ripping off Naked Time in the episode. *sigh*
Wow. I see isolation protocols still haven’t improved since TOS. Hey, this guy is possibly contagious and not himself mentally. Let’s not properly isolate him or keep him from being able to move about, and then let’s all touch him and not get ourselves checked out for being infected. Like Yar. Let’s hold his hands and get his disease. Brilliant idea. Absolutely brilliant. And now instead of quarantining yourself, you’re gonna go spread it all over hte ship, aren’t you? At least Wesley didnt’ know Geordi was sick when he got himself contaminated. *sigh*
Don’t. Don’t say “fascinating,” Picard. Don’t.
And yeah, you bet the Enterprise crew under Kirk found the formula to save them all, because Leonard McCoy was a freaking awesome brilliant doctor, unlike the one you have working for you, who needs the answers handed to her. *glower*
((I am in a very uncharitable mood. And the characters on this show are making me mad.))
Well thanks Data. Good to know your programmed as a sex bot, too. *headdesk*
for the record: next gen *really* sucks so far. this episode is a relaly really BAD rip off of naked time. and this new Enteprrise crew is grossly incompetent. And 50% of them are REALLY annoying me so far, and I really shouldn’t make running monologes in the middle of hte night because even if it’s the middle of my day, I’m more prone to talking too much and being overly critical and much less nice than i might be at other times.
but at the moment picard really annoys me, beverley crusher really annoys me, Riker is meh, Data is fine, Wesley of course annoys me but pretty sure that’s par for the course, Geordi just makes me think of REading Rainbow because hello Levar Burton, can’t not think of Reading Rainbow because I loved htat show when I was little and still remember hte Star Trek ep from it. And anyway. This is a really bad episode.
Oh, and taking the engineering room hostage. Even that is pulled directly from Naked Time, when Riley took over engineering. *headdesk*
okay. given that they KNOW how this thing is spread, because they READ THE RECORD ON IT FROM TOS, why, WHY does everyone keep touching all the sweaty people. And WHY when the doctor has been given the bloody formula for the cure, and when Bones was able to figure out the problem, and find a cure, and synthesize enough of it to cure the entire ship, can she not even synthesize it and start administering it in the time he was able to cure the whole damn ship? *headdesk*
Okay, so the old cure doesn’t work. still doesn’t explain why it took you so long to figure that out. It’s not like it’s an emergency situation or anything.
Conclusion: Terrible episode. Don’t know if my dislike so far of TNG has anything to do with the quality of the show, or if I’m just not liking it because it’s not got the characters I know and love from TOS/Abrams reboot movies. Or if it’s because I’m weirdly exhausted even thougth I slept fantastic yesterday and didnt’ get up until 6pm and got 10 solid, wonderful hours of sleep. Or if it’s some weird combination thereof.
So the characters will probably grow on me. I mean, there were plenty of Doctors and companions on Doctor who I didn’t like at first and most of them grew on me. Not all. I never liked Adric, for instance. And the sixth Doctor didn’t really grow on me all that much, but most did. So this cast will probably grow on me, and I’m only a couple episodes in, and you can’t really judge a show on the first couple episodes and I’m babbling again. I really relaly need to not make posts in the middle of the night.
Anyway. Dunno if my dislike is anything other than pettiness over it not being the characters I know and love.
Just skimmed the wikipedia page for it…..Wil Wheaton’s comment: “Trekkies who were looking for reasons to hate The Next Generation found plenty”. Yeah. That’s probably me. I’m not deliberately looking for reasons to hate it, but I probably am subconsciously. But at least the wikipedia page gives me reassurance that I’m not alone in thinking it was a pretty poor episode…..
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Well that one actually wasn’t bad. I mean not OMG amazing or anything, but not bad. I still don’t have any attachment/investment/interest/what ahve you in these characters, but the episode was fine and the characters will hopefully grow on me.
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Ferengi….Hang on. Wait. Is that big eared, giant brow ridged alien I remember from the handful of eps of TNG I saw as a little kid a Ferengi?
Yup. Yup that is indeed a Ferengi.
Wow Data, all those knowledge banks and a Chinese finger trap eludes you? Also, got the feeling that that exact little puzzle is gonna be the solution to you and Ferengi vessel getting unstuck from whatever is sticking you…….
“You work with your females? And force them to wear clothing? Sickening.” So…..Ferengi female prefer to go naked, then? That’s…..good to know.
“They shamelessly clothe their females–iviting others to unclothe them. The very depth of perversion.” Wow. okay. who comes up with this stuff.
Okay. 5 eps is my limit. I can’t do anymore. Not of course that anyone actually cares, lol.
Patience, please. It took the actors and writers a while to get the hang of the new characters. Maybe you should just skip the first season.
Don’t worry. I plan to stick with it. I just couldn’t watch anymore last night (mainly because I needed to go to sleep). I’d consider skipping season 1 but I’m determined to watch *every* episode of Star Trek, lol. I’m sure the characters will grow on me. Too many people think TNG is the best of the Star Trek series for it not to get better and at least be good, even if I end up preferring TOS.
Also I have season 1 on DVD, I’d hate to throw moms money away by not watching it!
Lady B–Wesley irritates me at this point, by I don’t really hate him. He’s just…..trying too hard to be liked and accepted,, I think
Actually, he kin of reminds me if Dawn from Buffy in a way…who I remember bothered me much less when I started rewatching Buffy at one point.
By coincidence, I’m rewatching TNG myself (it’s my workout background, though I’m just returning to it after taking a break to watch Borgia). Yeah, some of those early eps are amusing for all the wrong reasons even for someone who likes the series. I’m up to late Season 3, by which time the show has matured considerably. Strangely enough, this time around, Wesley doesn’t annoy me nearly as much as he did before.
Yeah, I started TNG, and I couldn’t really get through it because it was just so boring, and I didn’t want to skip, either. I was actually pretty much waiting for you to get here so that I could have some reason to continue other than that everybody says it gets better and that when I do end up liking it (which I’m hoping I will), I’ll want to have seen all of it. Most of the characters are just boring; I like Data, but there’s also Wesley, and I’m pretty annoyed that Tasha gets to do so little despite the fact that she’s clearly supposed to show that women can do things. (I read that she never fights male characters because they couldn’t show a man hitting a woman on television? That really baffles me, because McCoy hit a pregnant woman in TOS, and she wasn’t even evil. I’m sure there’s some piece of information I’m missing). The others I just don’t care about.
Well my good friend at school doesn’t share the same high opinion if TNG that other people I’ve spoken to do. She is of the opinion that having watched TOS I’ve already seen the best of Star Trek. TNG is her third favorite–as in she only likes Enterprise and DS9 less–apparently they’re tied as her least favorite. She hasn’t watched TAS so I don’t know where that would fit. But my brother in law, the vet I worked with in FL, and the cardio tech at school, love TNG and think its te best
Cheryl (my friend) says her favorite character is Beverley crusher (who I think is rather irritating so far), and that there is pretty much
No character development for any if te characters (except Data, so she says its good then that I like Data. Then se started to say something about Tasha Yar but stopped herself). Of course she added that Star Trek as a whole really isn’t known for its character development, which yeah. I’d kinda picked up on that.
But yeah. I dunno. I hope it grows on me? I don’t want to dislike all of next gen, because that’ll make it difficult to get through all the seasons…..
My good friend at school doesn’t like TNG much either, actually, but I’ve seen a lot of good stuff about it online and from the few other people I’ve talked about Star Trek with (those who’ve even seen it)–and most of them don’t think it was very good at the beginning, either.
I’m hoping the improvement is significant enough that I like it later on.
The next episode is “Where No one Has Gone Before”. I’m going to be really put out if this is to “Where no man has gone before” as “naked now” was to “naked time”. Because….a really badly done remake does not sound appealing. Fingers crossed the similarity ends at the name.
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Wesley. Wesley just because you’re a genius doesn’t mean you should mess with stuff. You’re too smart for your own good.
Hate to say it Riker, but maybe you should *actually listen* to Wesley. Who btw despite being too smart for his own good, is not actually *annoying* me in this episode. Actually, they’re all less annoying today. Which is weird. Because I should be more tired than I was last time I was watching, since I’ve been up since 6pm
Thank you picard, your description of what was going on keyed me in to what it was that was so darn familiar about the episode. It’s like “Shore Leave”. Except without the *hilarious* lines. Not that I’m disliking this episode, but it’s certainly not got the humor that ep had in every line (I honestly nearly died laughing watching Shore Leave).
One of the male crew is wearing the female (short short dress) uniform. Now I’m wondering if he imagined himself into it, or if he always wears the female uniform…..Googled it. Standard issue unisex minidress. It even has a name. It is apparently called a “skant”. Which I can’t decide if that is a really stupid name, or hilariously awesome. Because it sounds like “scant”. Like as in, the people wearing the “skant” are scantily clad…..
That one actually wasn’t bad.
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Oh, hey, it’s the Silurians! :/
Also, completely unrelated to this episode….My memory is clearly skewed. I could’ve sworn the handful of eps of Next Gen I saw when I was younger that Worf was a lot greener.
Also, I just had a flashback to a Next Gen ep I remember seeing. It involved the Holodeck, set to a casino. And somebody stole someone’s chips (and this is when I learned what chips were in a gambling sense….as opposed to like potato chips. I think my parents laughed at me.). And I also learned what footsie was. If these things are not actually in a Next Gen episode I am going to be so disappointed, because it makes for an awesome memory, even if half of it is probably subconsciously manufactured……
OMG. No real meat in the future. Fake meat. Fake. Meat. The future is for all intents and purposes vegeterian. And I thought the outlook was bleak because we were drugging our military in the future. But no. Just “meat” generated from patterns in the transporter. Well I’m glad I don’t live in the future.
Also why does this carnivorous alien look familiar. Was this species on one of the movies?
Whee. Just took a nap. Not becuase the episode was uninteresting, but I was starting to fall asleep. Apparently was more tired than I thought, as I did not wake up when the timer for my nap went off……Slept more like an hour to hour and a half, instead of the planned 30 minutes. But that’s okay. I should still be able to go to sleep tonight. I hate switching back to day shift from night shift….*sigh* Or on reevaluation…..it’s not so mucht hat I slept through the alarm…..I forgot to turn the sound on on my ipod, so there was no noise when the alarm went off. Which doesn’t really do a lot of good. *headdesk*
“It’s elementary, my dear Riker. ……sir.”
That was a pretty deecent episode. Although not quite sure what the point of the aliens was. They didn’t really add anything. And just when they started to get interesting, the ep was over and I doubt they’re followed up on in the next episode….
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o….kay……that was. random. Talking about what a nice little planet this is that they’re going to take shore leave on, how it’ll be a great place for the kids on board the Enterprise, how they’re ultra lawful. And then: “and they make love at the drop of a hat.” “any hat.” Yeah. That’s….who writes this stuff again? Also, yeah, that sounds *great* for a place for the kiddos to vacation….. :/ And then they continue to say that there are absolutely no negatives about the planet as a place to take shore leave……
Well. I’ll give Next Gen this: They certainly are going for equality in the clothing department. Those are…..some incredibly scantily clad men. Actually, it looks like the men on this planet visit the wardrobe for the women of TOS. And then decided that those outfits were too covering, and removed half the material. I….wow. I think they have less clothes than the women….and thats….that’s hard to do.
I. I don’t even. Just….wow. Again, who writes this stuff. Also, from this little meet and greet, I’d say…..Not exactly the most kid friendly planet. Makes about as much sense for a kid friendly shoreleave planet as the pleasure planet of Risa. “And I welcome this huge one. ohhhhhhh, yes.”
When did I get transported into crack fanfic. I thought I was watching Star Trek, not reading crackfic…….
Hhahahaha poor Wesley. But at least they’re reserved *toward* the young ones, if not necessariy *in front of* the young ones.
I’m sorry. Is this episode actually happening, or am I still napping? I don’t even.
Well…..there’s the serpent in this Eden. Even the smallest misdemeanor=death. Yeah….Wesley’s gonna cause trouble (unintentionally, I’m sure), isn’t he?
Hang on. I get you don’t want Wesley killed and all, and I agree. Death is harsh for his “crime”. But….isn’t attacking the Mediator and pulling your phasers in direct violation of the Prime Directive??????
THis episode got deep for a…wait, can I say that word on the blog? Adult entertainment film?
That was an….interesting episode. I liked it. It was very….whacked out and yet super serious, a lot like some TOS episodes. Not too keen on the resolution, with the whole Prime Directive violation thing, because they go on and on and on about that, and then hey, let’s just violate it. Also, this is an example of why relatives shouldn’t be on board together, it’s a conflict of interest. ((Yeah yeah, I know, by that note, Kirk and Spock shouldn’t be allowed to serve together but y’know. I like them better))
It’s been a couple episodes since I posted last…..
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So this feels a lot like an Amok Time plot remake…..Troi is getting married? Presumably against her will? only 2 minutes and 45 seconds in…..but it feels a lot like Amok Time with prearranged marriages of alien species and such.
Oh. Ohhhhhh. I’m slow. Of course. One of the reasons Deanna’s betrothed’s parents are so grumpy about the wedding and Deanna’s mother is grumpy about it (and why the fiance’s mom just said it would be a traditional earth wedding)….I forgot what I read in my Star Trek calendar the other day (which has all sorts of quotes, facts, and tidbits from all Trek universes). And that is that betazoid weddings are performed completely in the nude. Can’t believe I was 20 minutes into the episode before I recalled that detail.
Okay. In absence of Spock (which is just wrong. There should always be Spock. Shut up I know that doesn’t work but Spock is the best thing ever. Although he is still alive and all, and he does make a cameo in a later episode, so technically I stand by it being wrong there is no Spock), Data is pretty awesome. “Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.”
Aaaaand, to absolutely nobody’s surprise whatsoever, the woman captaining the alien ship is the chick from Troi’s fiance’s dreams. Like that wasn’t painfully obvious
So I kinda liked that one even if it was kind of a redoing of Amok Time. Although someone please tell me Riker and Troi get together at some point, because the obvious attraction is *really annoying* otherwise. And I don’t hold out hope, because I’m pretty sure that my friend said that no one gets together (specifically talking about Dr Crusher and the captain when i voiced a complaint about how her only personality was being hot for the captain, but my friend implied that the no one gets together extended to all the other characters, as well)
Oh. my. god. I saw Majel Barrett’s name in the opening credits, but then forgot by the time the episode got underway. And watched the whole episode and never once realized Troi’s mom was Majel Barrett until i was looking at the wikipedia page for the episode and it said that. Wow. I just…..wow. Wow. I am so oblivious. And have horrible facial recognition.
Also I’m beginning to think maybe some of the episodes I saw as a kid were not just TNG, but also DS9, because while I know I saw some eps wiht Levar Burton (and not just the Reading Rainbow Star Trek ep, I”m sure), I also know I saw at least one episode with a Ferengi as a main character, and everything I’ve seen related to my reading of wiki pages i associatin with each episode…..It appears that the only show that had a Ferengi main character was DS9, so. Huh.
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So…..the screencap for this episode is giving me a huge feeling of deja vu. Which is Picard and Data in suits and hats ala TOS “Piece of the Action.” And I don’t know if it’s just the flashback to TOS that makes me get that deja vu feeling or not, because I have the oddest feeling it’s actually Picard and data, not just Kirk and Spock in those outfits that seems familiar. And the deja vu feeling almost seems to be associating with channel surfing in a hotel room. So either I’m manufacturing memories, I stumbled on this episode at some point in my life channel surfing in a hotel room, I watched this episode as a child or part of it, or I”m lsoing my mind. I’m leading toward manufacturing memories or losing my mind, tbh.
So this episode doesn’t relaly actually feel familiar, other than Data in a suit seeming familiar, but…..I keep associating it with being in a hotel room on a choir tour with the other Michelle and her channel surfing. But I don’t know. Because the episode doesn’t actually really seem familiar. *shrug*
Yep, Majel Barrett played Lwaxana Troi. I think I mentioned that earlier. What a weird and wonderful career she had.
You probably did. My memory is pretty well shot from vet school.
I just can’t believe knowing she was in the episode from the credits at the beginning that it never clicked that it was Lwaxans ((that’s a mouthful to pronounce))
So I opened up my novelisation of the Star Trek 2009 movie…..And by sheer coincidence, opened it to the scene where Spock declines acceptance to the VSA and tells te council to “Live Long and Prosper.” In that distinctly ‘go screw yourself’ tone. The description in the book? “No emotion in those words, not even in the last few. But just a hint, perhaps, of a nonverbal suggestion best exemplified by a distinctively human digital gesture with which those on the Vulcan High Council were not familiar.”
However, on a related note. I flipped back a few pages to read my favorite quote from the 2009 movie? The “And fine has variable definitions. Fine is unacceptable.” And. It’s wrong. It’s different in the book. They don’t quote the movie word for word. What. What is this. I am…..displeased. Clearly my concept of what a novelisation of the movies is is….not right. because they’ve butchered one of my favorite quotes. And other dialog looks not quite right too.
WOAH. there’s whole scenes in the book that didn’t happen in the movie. Like right there, right after that quote, there’s a whole paragraph of dialog that was NOT in the movie, between Spock and Amanda. I…..I don’t know how I feel about this.
And one of my favorite scenes in Into Darkness. Where Pike chews Kirk out for saving Spock’s life and violating the Prime Directive? There’s all sorts of added dialog. I know, because I can hear Pike’s words in my head in his voice, because I’ve seen that movie 7 times. This stuff doesn’t read right. It’s…..I’m having one of those moments like when I watch one of the Harry Potter movies and it’s *wrong* because it’s not what’s in the book? I’m having that right now in reverse.
What the actual cake. My favorite line. My ALL TIME FAVORITE LINE from both movies, but from Into Darkness specifically. It’s…..it’s so very very not right. It’s worse than in the 2009 novelisation. Spock is suppose to say “I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously, sir, to which are you referring?” That’s Spock’s line in the movie. That’s my favorite damn line of both movies. Because Spock. And attitude. and it’s flammy. And in the book. In the stupid piece of garbage book: “I am expressing multiple attitudes simulatenously, sir, each one of which can be differently parsed. To which are you referring?”
And Pike’s response. In the movie, it’s short simple and sweet. “Out. You’re dismissed, Commander!” (Or somethng. I think that’s right. That’s what i’m getting from the internet at the moment, but it’s short. Basically just “Out” and “You’re dismissed”). In the godforsaken book: “Logic should serve to illuminate, not complicate. Your attempt to substitute ambiguity for clarity is misguided. Out. You’re dismissed, Commander.”
Just. No. No. So many levels of no it’s not even okay. I think I’m going to go curl up in the fetal position in a corner somewhere and cry. All the weird positive energy I had the last 2 hours (in which I am baking brownies to take to school tomorrow. I don’t do that. That is not me. Me rarely evenmakes brownies for me, much less to bring to feed other people.) is now totally zapped.
And they added unnecessary wordage and dialog in a certain very touching scene at the end where they’re separated by glass and if you’ve seen the movie you know exactly what I’m talking about. Although I will take the one line of description and run with it. Although they forgot the important detail that both ahd their hands in the form of the Vulcan hand thingy, not just regular old hands against the glass,b ut anyway, it says Kirk puts his hand up on the inside, and then Spock on the other side and “It was as close as one man could get to the other.”
Yes. Yes they are.
But grrrrrrrrr. I am not happy right now. And I’ve only glanced at these novelisations. Now I wonder if I even want to try the novelisation of TMP? Even though yes I know, Roddenberry wrote it, and obviously it’s not word for word the movie, because, hello, “t’hy’la”, but at the same time, I kind of have to read it, because, hello, “t’hy’la” and vindication of my views on the Spock/Kirk relationship…..
Yeah… The people who write the novelizations do like to change things. I glanced through the Into Darkness novel, and I was also really annoyed with the changes to the glass scene.
TMP’s novel did change a lot of things from the movie. I didn’t mind primarily because I liked the novel version more. Roddenberry would know the characters he created better than the people who wrote the movie, so I fee like he had the right to make changes–and I thought they were good changes.
Actually, though, t’hy’la was only used twice and both times were in Spock’s thoughts, so it’s not inconsistent with movie!canon, and if you read it and prefer the movie, you can still assume he had those thoughts and that we didn’t see them because we didn’t see any of Spock’s thoughts because that’s rather difficult in a movie.
The first time was tied to something that was different from the movie, though. It was I think a day or 2 before Kohlinahr, and Spock thought he was totally prepared, so he was saying goodbye to Earth, and just as he thought, “Jim. My… my t’hy’la. This is the last time I will permit myself to think of you or even your name again,” (which you’d think would make it kind of obvious he wasn’t ready, if he couldn’t imagine thinking about Kirk without emotion, but… nope), and then suddenly, he feels V’Ger probe his mind like he’s “a living ‘Rosetta Stone'” because he gets both logic and “human irrationality” and is sort of a gateway for a totally logical being to understand emotion, and then he starts to wonder if maybe he isn’t ready because he’s scared for Earth… and what happens during the actual ceremony is that he starts to think about Kirk again, and then he hears V’Ger again (still not making a connection–it isn’t addressed at all, actually), and then T’Sai asks to see his thoughts, and when they meld, he hears Kirk, who is thinking about him but apparently doesn’t realize it consciously. And because of that, the conversation Spock has with Kirk and McCoy about what happened goes a bit differently, because in the film, when Kirk asked if Spock heard anything else, he said no, but here, the answer isn’t no. Also, novel!Kirk is kind of angry at being shut out.
But I mean–I remember when you saw the Kohlinahr scene in the movie, you thought Spock heard Kirk and seemed happy about that. And here, he did. So… I sort of figured you wouldn’t really mind, although maybe you would. And not all of the changes are like that, but they tend to… work. At least for me. But it is a different universe from the films and has to be viewed as such, so if you don’t like that… I suggest you read it with low expectations, and maybe you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Or you can glance through it online to see if you like it before buying it, although I bought it (used) for literally 1 cent plus shipping, so it’s not that hard to find.
Novelizations are sometimes based on earlier drafts of the script– the “Night at the Museum” novelization (not the book the movie was based on), actually has a very different ending than the movie because it’s based on a script that got as far as being shot before the change was made.
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(The difference, by the way, is that Akhmenrah can’t read heiroglyphics, because he always had scribes to do everything for him, so they have to go to Rebecca’s apartment and get her to translate the tablet. This scene was filmed and you can see it on the DVD, but in the finished movie, Akhmenrah can read and so there’s no need for them to do this.)
Well ;alfkjdlkshgl;ksdfjdkl;sa I had a long long long post on Datalore here. And then the ‘blog gave me a stupid 503 whatever that is error when I hit comment, and I’d stupidly not copied my comment before submitting. So it’s vanished into cyberspace.
Short version: I cannot stand picard. I hate him mor with each episode. Wesley is the only tolerable character besides Data who is usually fine although was kind of an idiot in this episode. But Wesley is the only one with any intelligence or common sense and I just want to smash Picard’s head in by the end of this episode. And Riker’s stupid smile. And Dr. Crusher’s stupid stupidness.
I really liked my post. It was full of vicious sarcasm at the stupidity of the characters in the episode. and just full of viciousness to the stupid stupid characters in general. And a rant on how WEsley is the only character with any intelligence and how it’s a wonder he doesnt’ go mental and mutiny and smash all the stupid people in to stupid smithereens. And lots of use of the word stupid.
Oh no! The episode by that name, I presume? Lore is one of my favorite non-regulars in TNG (actually, number 2, after Q, whom I adore). I mean, antagonist Data, now with added sarcasm? Count me in. And Q’s episodes are always hilarious. Except the last one he’s in, that managed to be very serious and very amazing, but I don’t want to spoil anything.
On the note of possible spoilers: how far into the series are you, actually? I’m asking because… Picard is my favorite captain, hands down, and from your previous posts, you’ve finished season one at the MOST. Really, he may be all up about the Prime Directive (but with good reason, see “Who Watches The Watchers,” especially), and the number of times he single-handedly saves the Enterprise is, well, just impressive (“Starship Mine” is the one that comes to the top of my head, it’s too early for me to actually get on Memory Alpha).
And Riker gets better after he grows the beard. Tbh, the only thing that annoys me about him is HOW HE GETS INTO CHAIRS. Like, you can’t just sit like a normal person? It’s because you’re freakishly tall, isn’t it? -_-
But on favorite characters, Data beats out Geordi only because of that weird holodeck engineer episode (I don’t remember the name but you’ll KNOW when you see it. JUST SKIP IT, it is SO CRINGEWORTHY).
I’m not really a fan of Dr Crusher, but I think she really works as an emotion character. She and Troi complement each other well in that, I think; I love when they work together. On the topic of emotion characters, is Gaia in season one? She’s great.
And Wesley is an idiot with a negative amount of common sense, as can be seen in “Evolution.” But the crowning example is probably “Remember Me.” But I’m pretty sure he technically goes mutiny at one point, but, it’s Wesley, so it goes horribly wrong. As usual. I have no idea why no one ever kicked him off the enterprise.
Two months behind in responding to this…..
Yes, I was referring to the episode “Datalore,” which is the last episode I’ve watched of TNG so far (not counting the scattered few I watched as a child). So I’m halfway through the first season, at best. I’ve been on a hiatus from it for….2 months now, I guess, since I haven’t watched anymore since Datalore (partly due to having switched to a rotation that I had very little free time during for the second half of February, and then just not ever managing to motivate myself to force myself to watch what, so far, is rather disappointing season). I intend to watch it all, and I’ve heard the first season is the worst season of TNG, so hopefully once I make it to season 2 I’ll be getting more into it.
There were just so many things about the episode that were so….unintelligent….on behalf of the characters and it was very frustrating.
I’m getting ready to watch some more now.
The thing about Wesley, as far as I can tell, is that he’s always portrayed as being right. The characters listen to him or don’t based not on how their characters would normally behave but on whether it would make Wesley look better. And when Wesley does do really stupid things, he’s forgiven way more easily than anybody else would be. And he gets to think of stuff other characters really should have because the writers–Roddenberry in particular–liked him too much.
I blame him and not the other characters because everybody is written as so unintelligent in those cases because of him being there, and when he isn’t interfering, they usually aren’t that bad. Although I don’t actually like them, either, at this point.
EXACTLY THIS. Every episode that ends with him saving the day just glosses over the fact that he was the one who got them into that mess in the first place. AND HE NEVER LEARNS. Which is probably why I dislike him so strongly. Thanks, writers u_u
I saw this in the Recent Comments bar and thought it was about Timmy Turner.
He’s not always the one who got people into the mess in the first place. For example, Datalore. He was in no way responsible for the mess, but he’s the only one who had the intelligence to realize Lore was impersonating Data and was up to no good. But no one would listen and it nearly got them all killed.
Hey Whovians, remember how I mentioned that upcoming prequel show a while back called Sons of Gallifrey? Well, it’s called A Wild Endeavor now. Apparently there was some confusion with Sons of Anarchy.
It’s got a new updated site and everything (just the new name of the show and then dot com). Is anyone else hoping this goes on air, because I know I am! (It’s a fanmade show, so there’s a chance it might get cancelled.)
Ooh, I’ve heard of that! I wasn’t sure what it was, though, because I didn’t really get what it was.
If that was a thing, though… that would be awesome. I LOVE it when fans do things. Big things. Big, exciting, benevolent things.
“Are they friends or enemies, Captain?”
“Sometimes even I’m not sure.”
~Kirk and a planet native talking about Spock and McCoy.
I failed to mention that this was from the Show That I Forget The Name Of that was on our Saturday night reruns of old Sci-Fi programs.
…But when McCoy called Spock a “Pointed-eared hob-goblin,” that topped anything else that happened in the show.
It’s called Star Trek.
I know this. I just forgot the episode name.
Oh, okay. I was a bit surprised, but I wasn’t going to say anything.
I can’t remember what episode that’s from, either. “Breads and Circuses”?
*looks up* Yes! It was! I’m amazing. And the exact lines were, “Are they enemies, captain?” “I’m not sure they’re sure,” apparentlt.
Ah, right. My memory is sadly short lived.
Hey, there’s a lot of episodes. It’s hard to keep track of all the titles.
Ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew oh my god no ew.
Note to self: be careful what you choose to read in regards to ideas that were considered and almost written into the Star Trek movies and then weren’t.
Like how that already stomach turning off putting completely not okay Pon Farr scene in Search for Spock……nearly had scenes written into Voyage Home where Saavik was pregnant and that’s why she stayed on Vulcan. With Spock’s child. Because they actually *had sex* and didn’t just finger kiss.
I. Just oh my god. In the course of less than a minute I’ve gone from “hey, I should read all these pages on memory alpha, because this page on Saavik and who was cast and why is actually really kind of itneresting” to “OMG I’m never reading anything on here again because I am scarred for life oh my god”. That scene was bad enough as it was written, with Saavik finger kissing a jail bait, mindless Spock. To even suggest anything more. *shudder* oh my god. just no. god no. no no no no no no no no. i wish i could mindwipe that from my memory. oh my god just NO.
Oh. Oh thank god. While this obviously does not change the horror that I read…..It does however make me feel so much much better:
“According to Harve Bennett, the scene in which Saavik discusses her pregnancy with Kirk was filmed but was ultimately deleted because Leonard Nimoy (who returned as director for Star Trek IV) was, in Bennett’s words, “always very uncomfortable” about it.”
Well, except for the horrifying fact it got so far as being filmed. That….that horrifies me more. But the fact Nimoy was very uncomfortable with it makes me very glad. I think I would have lost it had Nimoy been in favor of that…. *shudder*
Well. I’m a good 4 hours behind schedule……And while I feel like I could certainly stay awake to watch the two Abrams movies…..and while the geek factor awesomeness of saying I marathoned the first 6 and the 2 Abrams movies all in one sitting (give or take some breaks) is *highly* appealing…..
That would put be at about 5-5:30 am. Which would really mess up my sleep schedule/result in not enough sleep. and is really not a very good idea.
So I’ve decided that the geek factor of watching the 2 Abrams movies in addition does not outweigh the intelligence of going to bed now…..Which is a scarily grown up adult decision to make. Yikes.
But hey. I watched the first 6 Star Trek movies in one day. That’s still pretty geek factor-y.
Thoughts:
TMP is not nearly as painfully slowly paced this second watch through
The footie pajama uniforms and lone space walking astronaut on every exterior space shot still makes me lol
Okay. I’m sorry. But when Spock grabs kirks hand in sick bay an professes that “this. This simple feeling is beyond v’ger’s comprehension” while he and Kirk *look* at each other with fond, knowing, affectionate, LOVING expressions, I don’t know how anyone can deny that they are more than just friends. That they are a couple. T’hy’la
OMG I need to read the novelization
“Now what so you suggest we do–spank it?”
WRATH OF KHAN
Why doesn’t Saavik have proper Vulcan eyebrows. Or even appropriately pointy ears
Rats….on a space station? Seems a smidge unlikely
Woah. So two viewings if space seed in the last year and two viewings of wrath of khan, and I never noticed that chekov and khan should t recognize each other….until I was reading a Wikipedia page on Chekov that points out he was not yet part of the enterprise crew when space sees occurred. Woah. I’m….really brilliant. Not. Lol
SEARCH FOR SPOCK
You know what’s weird? I use to kinda hate Sarek, when I first watched his episode in TOS, Journey to Babel. And now he’s one of my favorites. When the credits rolled, I was all “OMG I love sarek”. Lol
VOYAGE HOME
o.0 transparent aluminum is *real*
UNDSICOVERED COUNTRY. SPOILERS SPOIKERS SPOIKERS SERIOUSLY SPOILERS DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THIS ONE
Good lord, Kirk likes to live dangerously. Ido not understand why h would do this without a safety device of some kind. Thank god for Spock
DUDE. Scotty and Uhura. I think I wa half asleep the first time I watched this movie. But this definitely tells me where all te background Scotty/uhura pairings come from in my fanfic. o.0
Bourbon and beans. An explosive combination.
I forgot about the marsh melon. OMG
And he Klingon who looks like IT. Forgot him too
This is *alnost* like seeing the movie for the first time. I can’t even recall how it resolves. Just the scene where Sybok makes bones face his fears/horrible past
Oh. Oh cake. I just remembered how the movie ended (the whole “I’m looking for shakiri”) thing just jogged my memory. It’s the damn “oh look we found GOD” ending. That I hated. I remember now why I disliked this movie. It wasn’t the entire movie. It was just he conclusion. Apparently I repressed the ending in my half awake state when I first watched it. Ugh. And now I have 47 more minutes to go, no longer blissfully unaware of the resolution (which how I forgot in less than 2 months beats me)
Then again he really int actually meant to be god. Just some super powerful being which is hardly new to Star Trek. Hm. I dunno. Not as objectionable n ending as I recalled
VOYAGE HOME
I dunno. not really anything to add/note. too busy learning the horrors about Saavik’s very much non-canon intimacy with Spock as ntoed int he above posts. *shudder*
I’ve been wondering recently if there was any way some random, unknown, eighteen year old like me could try my hand at creating a geeky tv show of a sort. I mean, there’s basically no way I could end up with an actual show on actual television, but perhaps a sort of webshow. Maybe an animated one, so that I wouldn’t have to worry about getting actual actors other than myself – I could get some friends together and we could send voice recordings to each other via email and stuff, and write the scripts together and have our friends (read: I would probably request this from you guys) look over our scripts to make sure they’re good.
What do you all think?
That’s a really intriguing idea.
One of the main obstacles would be finding people who has enough time and energy to dedicate themselves to the project.
Animation- Art and animation are two big factors in this. I don’t have a lot of experience with animation, but know how to make Gifs *in theory* and could probably snag some software off of someone. As for the actual art and drawing bits, I don’t know how many people currently active on the MB would be qualified or have the amount of time needed- animating something, even a small show where the episodes were fairly short- requires lots and lots of drawing.
Writing- I know that we have enough talented writers on the MB to make this happen.
Voice acting- one of my most active fandoms is very, very prolific when it comes to voice actors. I think we could pull off the voice acting, and I’ce had enough limited experience in sound shenanigans to put them together, even with open source ware because I am cheap and don’t like to pay for things.
Sound: I could write a score. That’s totally a thing that I would do if this ever got off the ground. My first attempts at composing were for a score for a filmmaking project that never actually happened. I’m writing a video game soundtrack right now. Soundtracks are my thing.
All in all, it’s very possible with the amour of talent on the internet, and the main obstacle would be unsung people who have enough time for such a big commitment.
You make some very good points. I think if this actually happened the scheduling would be something like Sherlock in that a “season” would show with regularity, then there would be a hiatus, then another “season”. I feel like creating several episodes in advance with breaks in between each cluster would allow for more flexibility with the schedule by making deadlines less of an issue.
Animation – I think that might actually take the most time of all of the components, but I have zero experience with animation myself so I may be wrong. Do you think this idea could work: a group of our friends all work on the animation, but some create concept art while others do the actual animating based on how much time they have? And people can switch from concept art to animation and back again based on what they have time for/want to do?
Writing – There’s a lot of flexibility with this. But there’s two main methods I can think of: writing can be episodic or character-based. In the case of the former, one or more people write the entirety of a specific episode. All, some, or none of the episodes may have more than one writer collaborating – sort of like the Embi Family thread but less chaotic. In the case of the latter, each writer chooses one or more characters to e responsible for and writes their lines and interactions. This makes it easier to not accidentally have someone do or say something out of character, but it makes time requirements less predictable.
Voice Actors – Partly to be fair and partly to cut down on the number of people we have to have for this, I think first and foremost anyone who is involved with any other aspect of the show’s creation should have the option to voice act for one of the characters if they want to and have the time. Naturally if we have more characters than people with the time and inclination to voice act for them we can bring in more friends for that purpose. I’m only a little experienced with editing sound clips so if someone better at it (like you) wants to do the actual sound editing for this I would be more than happy with that. But I think it may be quickest to do a sort of crude sound editing at first where it’s just the lines spliced together so that the voice actors know what they’re responding to and can send back their own lines quickly. When all the lines are recorded then the serious editing can begin. Does that make sense and do you and think it would work?
Sound: I would be more than happy for you to write the score if this works out!
I think what I’ll do is start by seeing how many MBers can do this and then we can expand from there to our collective non-MBer friends. I would kind of like this to be a sort of MBers’ pet project but I’m not going to be unrealistic considering how many of us have other time commitments.
Re: Sound: While my sound-editing skills may not be anywhere near pro, they are something that I’m working on improving, and I’d see this as a learning experience. While I’m not sure exactly how voice acting for animations works in terms of timing (and I know lots of people voice act while geographically apart and then send in files), we’d probably animate a scene first, and then have actors send in recordings second. I think that’s the way they do it. I’ll research it.
Animation would be probably the bulk of our time… you’re right. Our productions would not be nearly as smoothly and intricately animated as, say, Frozen. But it’s still very doable, especially with today’s technology. A big hurdle would be getting our hands on some software that lets us do that (Adobe Flash, perhaps. I hear GraphicsGale is good for small animation, but I don’t know about bigger productions.)
And also, as for audience? I’d say we put this up on YouTube, and then spread it through our separate accounts on whatever other sites we saw fit.
I’d be in for this. Creative projects are my thing. I like them.
In America, the custom is to do the recordings first so that the animators can synch the drawings to the dialogue. I think they do it the other way around in Japan, but you’ll notice that the mouths rarely match up to the voices. That’s why anime mouths tend to be tiny… c:
Certainly, I’d be up to help, we’ve discussed doing such a thing at least twice on MB before– the “space station” idea on the Scripts thread a few years back and “The Whitford Collection” (which I have not given up on, I’ve had some very good ideas for it recently, actually) in 2012.
What’s the idea for “The Whitford Collection”?
The long version is on the 2012 Writing thread, the short version is that it’s a kids show about two kids going on adventures with the ghosts of the explorer couple who founded their city’s Natural History Museum. Or, in the “five-minute-x-meets-y description” I gave then, “Tutenstein + Jackie Chan Adventures + Danny Phantom + Fictionalized MOS Boston” (with some debt to Scooby-Doo and Magic Tree House as well.)
If you guys plan to go through with the idea, I would love to help!
I’ve always wanted to give a shot at voice acting, although I don’t know if my voice is good enough for much.
My dad is a musician. He might be able to help with music.
I’m also a writer… I guess.
Catwings – My idea isn’t to get super-perfect voice actors. I want the characters to sound like real people. I, for one, would be more than happy for you to be one of the voice actors if this works out.
As I said before, the writing would be a group effort so you’d be very welcome to write a bit if you wanted – just know we would all be reviewing each other’s writing before finalizing anything.
I am no musician so I would have to cede that entirely to the people who are, but I was kind of thinking that would be a group effort too. So I expect you or your dad could do part of that if you wanted.
Agent Lightning –
Sound: Maybe a few different people could collaborate on sound editing and we could just take the version of each segment of dialogue that general consensus agrees sounds the best?
Animation: I have some experience with Flash. It’s good but you have to make every tween yourself, so it’s more time-consuming. Then again if this was an actual pen-and-paper drawn animation the animators might have to draw each separate tween anyway.
Audience: Yeah, I was thinking Youtube, but I hadn’t thought of putting it up on multiple accounts. Thanks for pointing that out!
I’m very glad you’ll be part of this!
Kai: Wow, that’s a really interesting and detailed concept. We could probably work it in at least in a general sense somehow…
Of course, we’d need an actual working plot first.
SFTDP. That emoticon should have been:
Served the same purpose.
I don’t want you to try to change your idea to make it like The Whitford Collection. You clearly have an idea you’re passionate about that you want to create, and I want to help you with making it real, as close to the way you imagine it in any way I can. I was only saying that I’d similarly gotten feedback and help from MBers with one of my own ideas and that I wanted to give similar community support to someone else in return.
You guys know that, if we’re going to go through with making this, we’re probably going to need emails, right? I mean, how else are we sending the voicing parts? We can’t really use Museblog for behind-the-scenes discussion and planning, much less the sending of clips and story parts.
Yep, and the GAPAs may let us privately exchange email addresses. Obviously we’re not allowed to post them up here on the blog, but outside contact can happen (and has in the past).
We do allow it, with parental permission. We also know that MBers find one another on other sites, for which we’re not responsible.
KaiYves – I understand that, and thank you. I just really like your idea, and I was thinking that if it ultimately fit with mine maybe it could be incorporated at least into a few episodes. Unless you don’t want it to be, of course!
About non-MB contact-
I think emails is the best way to go, especially since all of you wonderful people who have been talking about this so far are some of the few MBers with whom I don’t have contact outside of MB!
How would exchanging our emails privately work? Would we all send an email to the GAPA’s email like with a Kokon?
Did you say you could use an animator? Can I help?
Your help would be most appreciated!
I’m not an artist or a writer or a composer and not an amazing actor (although I’d love to audtition!), but I think this sounds like a great idea. I’d love to watch this, and I’d be glad to read over scripts and give feedback.
There’s this awesome animator out there, her Youtube name is AngelStarSign. Was that the animating style you were going for? Or did you plan more of a Disney-style 3D type of animation?
As cool as 3D animation on the scale of Frozen or Tangled would be *flipping awesome*, the effort required to do something of that scale requires a large board of full-time working professional animators and artists.
We’d be doing something simpler, methinks. I’ll check out the youtuber you recommended when I have time- right now, I have to bake a chocolate cake.
Bibliophile – I for one would be happy for you to help out in any way you think you can! And if you wanted to try voice acting, I certainly won’t stop you! If you’re really worried, you could try a minor part first and if it works out you can change to a larger role.
Catwings – I think it might be best to see who wants to do the art/animation and let them do whatever style they’re most comfortable with. If that means that different scenes and characters are in different styles, that might actually be a good thing. I kind of like an eclectic look and thing it would be pretty characteristic of us Muserly types anyway!
Hey, if this ever gets off the ground, I have an idea for a short snippet of dialogue between two nonhuman characters.
“What do people even DO at parties?”
“I don’t know, but it can’t be that good if they have to be drunk out of their minds to enjoy it.”
I’ve had a plot idea running around my head for a while now, and I figured why not post it.
We’d want a fairly simple plot, without a ton of different settings and characters. And Kai said “space station”, and that kind of got my wheels turning. Also, I’ve had this character design sitting in my notebooks for ages, and I’d love to use it, and I don’t have the time nor the skills for an independent project of my own, save for perhaps using the character as a logo or album cover for my music if THAT ever gets off the ground. But we don’t have to use the character design. Someone else could come up with one.
ANYWAY!! alright
Idea: There’s an abandoned space station somewhere, and a girl lives there all alone. Her only friend is a shy and adorable robot. One day, space explorers/scientists/what-have-you find the space station. Shenanigans ensue.
That’s just something I’ve had sitting around in my head for a while. We could use it.
I love this plot idea! And it’s so versatile. The people who find her might not all be human, there might be trace amounts of time travel, or maybe none of the above! (But I’m leaning towards a universe populated by aliens being a factor in the shenanigans.)
Kai – Sounds like a good idea to me! Unless AL already named her, of course…
Catwings – Maybe you could voice act that part? I should warn you, if this gets off the ground any robotic characters are going to be voice acted a little unconventionally. I think taking a page from Portal’s book would be a good idea here. Do you think you could try to mimic text-to-speech lines? As in, whoever wrote the robot’s lines would send you over a text-to-speech recording and you try to match the intonations?
Yeah, I understand the part about robot voices….
Though I do have a voice-editing program on my computer. and I think I have an idea of how a robotic voice could work. If, of course, someone sent me some lines to say, and if you guys think my voice would be right for the job.
Then again, nobody has my email address.
We’d have to exchange email addresses via the GAPAs again, all of us. I don’t have anyone’s- only R101’s dad from that NC Kokon, according to a hasty email search. That would require Parent Permission, so we should probably work on that.
Am I allowed to give you a different email address than the one I usually use on the blog? (it’s in this comment)
As in, getting Siri to read your lines and then imitating the pitch? Sounds pretty cool. Also, I’m sure there are robot-y filters we can put over that. I never played Portal, but that seems pretty cool.
It seems to be a convention that robot voice technology will lag behind robot vision, locomotion, and artificial-intelligence technologies.
Well, I’ve previously mentioned the GPS my family used to have whose voice my brother described as “Stephen Hawking’s sister in need of a cough drop” on here…
Um, I’m not sure what Siri is, but probably?
This sounds like a great idea. Maybe her name should be Miranda, as a Shakespearian shout-out?
Shy and adorable robot? Sounds like me, minus the adorable part.
I think this sounds like a really, really cool idea! I’m all for it.
ibcef – I certainly hope so, as the email I use here is not one that I ever actually use for contacting people. Nor is it the one I used for the NC kokon.
Guys, I was kind of hoping that this show takes place at least partly in the real world during the current time (still animated, of course) and that there could be space travel and non-humans, but enough time is spent on Earth for the main characters to end up doing normal human things (or at least trying to do them). Like, imagine a character who is a typical human who happens to be a Whovian showing their new alien friend Doctor Who for the first time. Things like that. Does that sound good? I mean, clearly we would work it in with the girl and the robot. I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive – hopefully.
If so (and possibly even if not if I can think of a way to work this in), I thought of another possible piece of dialogue. It’s not as good as the first, but I feel like it would be a good way to express everyday life in an unconventional way.
“I may look calm, but I’ll have you know that in my head I’m running around the room and doing backflips over dining room tables. A lot more dining room tables than would really be in one room at the same time, actually.”
Erm…. Is anyone still serious about doing this? Because talk about it has sort of died.
If you guys are still planning on doing this, I’ve made a character that might be appropriate for the setting(?).
I’m just curious if anyone will object to me posting a picture of her here.
We’re just dealing with end-of-term work at the moment. Feel free to post a picture and description.
I’m still here. Send in your character design and I’ll see if I can animate it!
I sent the GAPAs a picture. Should be on soon.
Oops, I forgot to mention she’s an android.
Oooooh!! Count me in on this for voice acting.
Catwings – Great, I can’t wait to see it!
fireh – Awesome, consider yourself officially counted in!
I think it would be easier time-wise to do the voice acting first, then the animations.
So will everyone send in their emails to the GAPAs. (I actually haven’t yet for this because I figured those of you who need parental permission might have to take a while to get it.)
I already have [sent my active email]. But I’m uncertain as to what exactly to do afterwards.
I think the GAPAs will send the emails of the people who supply them to the rest of us? Then we can just make group emails to all of the email addresses.
Hm. I don’t think we’re in the habit of putting MBers in contact with one another, especially minors. Rather the contrary, as I recall. Let me confer with my fellow GAPAs.
So sorry for my assumption. Um… How will this work, then?
That’s what we need to figure out.
Um, this would be a lot of work for the GAPAs, but could we send stuff we complete to your email and then have you all distribute it to the rest of the people working on it? (I can’t think of anything more helpful at the moment.)
We can give you an invisible thread in which to discuss the project and open a Dropbox for exchanging sound and image files, as long as you use it responsibly. How does that sound?
SFTDP. Thanks, that’s great!
Everybody has been added to the group except ibcf, who doesn’t appear on the list of registered users. ibcf, are you registered?
Nope. Just tried to register now, but I’m not sure if my password is working…
Gah! I’m sure I’m using the right password, but nothing happens when I try to log in…just this blank white bar with a red stripe appears. What de heck?
I am registered, but I’ve never been able to log in for some reason.
Odd, I have absolutely no problem with logging in. In fact, I’m logged in right now.
Are most of the Musers who are having trouble use mobile or something different than what I use for internet access?
Hrm. I reset it and made my own password…no dice.
Catwings – I’m using firefox on a macbook.
ibcf: try again, using your email address as a password. Any luck
Afraid not! I tried clearing my cache and cookies, disabling my addons, using different browsers…still nope!
Can someone else see if they can log in to my account?
Hm. No, it doesn’t work. Time for more tinkering…
Just jumping in to say I have a bit of experience with animating in Flash, so might be able to help a bit if I get Flash sometime soon. Static (traditional) art I certainly have experience with, so if there’s anything I can do, please let me know (hopefully I’ll be less busy after AP testing, but I don’t know ahaha…).
Sounds like an awesome project
I had wanted to ask you directly, but you’ve said you don’t have any free time right now and I didn’t want you to have to turn down the request if you liked the idea.
I am very happy to have you onboard with this project!
I completely understand, and I’ll try to do my best!
Also I forgot to mention that I’m interested in doing concept art (my dream career would be that of a character designer), so though I don’t have much experience with that right now, I’m definitely willing to give it a shot!
I was hoping you would say that!
Just finished watching Star Trek’s “The Menagerie”, and-
SPOILER ALERT FOR STAR TREK: THE MENAGERIE SPOILER ALERT FOR STAR TREK: THE MENAGERIE SPOILER ALERT FOR STAR TREK: THE MENAGERIE!!!
-I wasn’t really a huge fan of the fact that there wasn’t any present-day goings on, it was all flashbacks and reviews. I mean, in the start there were a lot of things that really got you into the movie. Like the fact that Spock actually expressed feelings of sadness and regret. I don’t know why, it’s a thing with me that when someone shows signs of doing something that you don’t really expect them to, although deep inside you really do, I can just feel a mental scoreboard for this character with their points going up.
Also, it took away from the story a little bit and made me really not take anything seriously after I realized that the aliens appeared to have butts on the back of their heads.
For people who can handle gore and horror, I would highly recommend NBC Hannibal. It’s halfway through its second season now and has beautiful cinematography, strong female characters, cannibalism, and puppies.
I concur!
I completely agree! The characters are very real, and I’ve actually looked up all the stuff they’ve mentioned on the show. Every syndrome, every psychological disorder, even the little throwaway comments the scientists make, they’re all accurate. For once we have a television show like this where the writers actually do their homework!
Well, I started watching X-Men: TAS. Prior to this, I’d had absolutely no exposure to X-Men at all, so it’s completely new to me.
It’s… really good! I love most of the characters pretty soon after they’re introduced, and I really want to learn more about all of them. Considering the really obvious messages about oppression and how we need to accept people and not try to change them, etc. (which is really nice, especially in April; I’m already really sick of Autism Speaks’ fear-mongering, and it’s only the fourth of the month.), it’s nice that the cast actually does have diversity (…for a kids’ show in the ’90s) rather than think that allegory was enough.
I hope fighting Magneto doesn’t end up overshadowing actually fighting for their rights, though. That wouldn’t be good.
This show pleasantly surprises me in little ways a lot. I’m… really pleased.
Oh yes, the early-90s animated series is considered to be one of the best Marvel adaptations around.
My classic TV station just had a contest, where people would go to their website and vote on which of their shows that they rerun from like, the 50s to the 80s, that is the best one on their channel.
Out of about 270 shows, Star Trek won
Star Trek watching…..
Angel One. Riker’s outfit. O. M. G. Laughing so much. Also either this episode is better overall so far, or I’m just in a better mood to appreciate the ridiculosity of it all, lol. and yeah i know that’s not a word.
Diplomatic relations? is that waht the kids are calling it these days?
STAR TREK TNG “TOO SHORT A SEASON’ SPOILERS STAR TREK TNG ‘TOO SHORT A SEASON SPOILERS STAR TREK TNG TOO SHORT A SEASON SPOILERS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
So. Bit predictable, this ep. the moment the admiral/ambassador/whatever he is said he was going to beam on board with his wife, I”m like “Oh. They’re going to deage. Its gonna be like that TAS episode where the admiral and his wife grow younger.”
And GUESS WHAT. He’s de-aging. It’s that Lazarus Doctor Who ep X TAS episode with the de aging couple all mixed up. We’ll see how this pans out…..
Meh. The 3 I watched today weren’t bad. Whether that’s because they were better eps, or I just enjoy TNG better and don’t get hung up on the little stupid things as much when I”m multitasking by cross-stitching at the same time is up for debate, lol.
I need to try and think about trying to sleep soon, although it’s going to be difficult igven how late I slept today. But I can’t afford tomorrow to be a repeat of Friday in terms of mental acuity (wherein I didn’t get nearly enough sleep, and was very low functioning throughout the day, and even left a voicemail for one client to remind them of their appt “tomorrow, friday”, when the appt was not only not the following day but Monday….*sigh* yeah. that’ll be a fun appt tomorrow)
Here’s Catwings’ character:
SFTDP. I didn’t see this when I posted my last comment. This looks brilliant! Catwings, would you consider doing more concept art if/when we need it? I mean, even if you say yes you could still pick and choose what to work on, of course.
I sketched and sent a quick, crappy approximation of what this character would look like in Flash. Yeesh!
I’d have to cut down most of the details. Realistically proportioned humans aren’t much fun to animate, especially with a mouse!
I really need to get a tablet…
Also I would make the eyes bigger for better expression. What do y’all think?
If you’re sure bigger eyes would be easier… But I think this is more realistic…
Bigger eyes make the emotion clearer and add to the character’s appeal (e.g. disney eyes, anime girls). I can do realism if you’d prefer that, though!
The GAPA’s email is still gapa@musefanpage.com, right?
Right!
Hm. I’m sorry for going back and forth like this, but I’m actually not sure what would be best/easiest. Maybe we should come up with a short sample scene for your to do an animation from and we’ll just see what style works best?
Randomosity101 – Sure!
I tried the new password you sent me, still nothing.
Yes, creating new accounts isn’t working. Probably an upgrade problem. I’ll deactivate plug-ins and see if it starts working again.
I hope it all works for you soon!
Wow, you’re talented! I like the “Tron Veins”.
Uh… art?
I didn’t draw this, sorry. This artwork was made by someone who goes by “Missangest” on DeviantART. I made the character, she did the art beforehand. I put a small notice under the second model, I thought it would be plain enough.
I’m not all that good at drawing, really.
Oh, I see. Well I don’t know about anyone else, but I had no idea that this wasn’t your work – for all I knew, that could be your DeviantART name. I’ve never seen you say you’re not good at drawing before. *shrugs*
Yeah. Well, if you want anything in that style you’ll have to contact Missangest.
I’m sorry, what? Are the children in the future suppose to be supergeniuses? Because a kid at maybe 10 years old tops is a bit young to be learning calculus…..Although I’ve gotta say I feel his pain on not wanting to learn it……
“Similar incidents, butonly with the children.” Is this an “And the Children SHall Lead” reboot from TOS? Because I had that thought the moment I saw the thumbnail of Picard holding a little girl….*sigh*
Wesley is awesome. [no sarcasm.]
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Wow. And here I was holding out that my gut feeling of this episode being a reboot of the episode with the silicone based life form on the mining planet in TOS was unfounded……But oh look. Inorganic shiny round thing in a very very round tunnel….That “can’t possibly be alive! it’s inorganic!” So. Totally. Called it. We can stop recycling TOS plots aaaaaaany time now. Because I”m sure we will very soon have it revealed that oh, hey, inorganic life form here. *sigh*
Wait. how come theyre acting like inorganic life has never been heard of. hello, TOS episode you idiots. DO you not study history in the future????????
Oh, look. SILICON CRYSTALS. Knew it was only a matter of time before they dropped the S word in description. and they act like this is so brand new and never done before, b/c it’s not like TOS had siicon based life on a mining planet or anhything. Nope. certainly not. couldn’t possibly. *sigh*
As I’ve said, it took TNG a while to hit its stride. At first the actors weren’t sure who their characters were, and the writers seemed to think that making slicker retreads of TOS scripts was exactly what they were there to do. In this as in so many other things, an evolutionary perspective helps you to appreciate how the show developed.
Oh, dear, you caught up with me. I’m going to have to get back to watching TNG again… and I don’t really want to.
But I just assumed that everyone’s math ability was higher in the future because it’s Star Trek. I can think of lots of things it’s done that are harder to accept.
Just watched TNG “Coming of Age”. If i hadn’t already been on my way toward finding Wesley one of the most likeable characters on TNG, this episode definitely would have sold me on it. And the fact that the kid is not even 16 yet pretty much excuses all of his social awkwardness/ill-time comments/etc.
Also this may have been the first episode where Picard was mildly likeable (notably at the end of the episode when talking to Wesley)
Star Trek TNG: Arsenal of Freedom:
“It’s the Lollipop…[….]….It’s just been comissioned. She’s a good ship.”
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These aliens who are sick with “plague”….is it just me or do they seem suspiciously like druggies jonesing for the next hit of their drug of choice?
I won’t be at all surprised if that turns out to be the case, that they don’t in fact have the plague but are just druggies (or i guess more likely given the title of the episode, thatthey are not in fact sick per se, but that they can’t live without the drug b/c they have a symbiotic relationship with it, but, y’know. druggies. they totally act like it)
Hold up. Woah. Pretty sure not only are the one species (Inarans? Arnarans? However it’s spelled) not only druggies, but they don’t even realize they’re druggies, and these Breccians know. The Breccians are giving them drugs, calling it a medication to treat plague, and then when the Arnarans don’t get their dose….they start getting sickish, and this is really just them going throughw ithdrawal, but Breccians say it’s plague symptoms, and then sell them more of the drug, which the Arnarans think they need to keep themselves alive, but really t hey’re just shooting up drugs and becoming addicted.
If this is not the plot I will be disappointed. If this is the plot, I’ll also be disappointed, b/c hello, it gets a bit boring when you can predict all the plot twists……
Aaaaaaand, look at that. Not a minute later: “T’Jon and Romas are feeling fine. In fact, too fine. Felicium’s a narcotic. ” [Me: Ha! Called it.]
“Then T’Jon, and Romas, indeed everyone on their world…? ”
“Is a drug addict.”
And it what was probably suppose to be a totally surprise twist that no one ever saw coming, I called it long before anyone in the episode. Or like 5 minutes before, anyway. It’s like that TOS episode, where literally seconds before they came to the realization that they had just been reading a barbarized version of the Declaration of Independence/Constitution/whatever, seconds before they realized the one alien race was “Yankees”, even though I didn’t realize what document they were reading a nonsensical version of b/c it sounded nothing the same, I somehow said Yankees literally a split second before Spock? Yeah. Now that was freaky like woah.
Anyway. Called the whole druggie/drug dealer thing.
Are you caking joking, Picard? You’re not seriously goiing to not flipping tell them that they’re being turned into druggies by the Breccians and that they don’t need the Felicium? You had better flipping have some little sneaky plan up your smarmy sleeve, b/c otherwise you have officially lost any respect you might have ever had a chance of gaining. The Prime Directive does not apply no matter what your sleazy bald head thinks. And as much as I dislike Dr. Crusher, she’s the only one here who seems to be displaying the slightest bit of ethical or moral integrity and intelligence.
You can take your prime directive and shove it picard. They have a right to know. If they choose to keep being a planet of druggies and a planet of dealers, that’s their choice/problem and you can say that prime directive keeps you from interfering. But not telling them? That is not okay. They have the right to know they’re being manipulated, to know they don’t really have the plague, and to respond as they see fit, whether that’s continue on as they are, or get clean. But they have the right to choose and make an informed decision and not keep being lied to. Captain kirk would never have let that happen. Rot in hell, Picard. You disgust me
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okya. tell me we’re joking. please. Shot of crashed shuttlecraft on uninhabited planet. Immediate flashback to that episode of TOS where there’s that really annoying female ambassador woman and we meet Zefram Cochran who’s deaged, and there’s some weird life force thingy that doesn’t really have a shape but is just kind of energy.
Not two seconds later, puddle of black oily stuff on ground. They decide to walk around. It moves. No longer just *flashing back* to that TOS episode, but seriously wondering now if this is nto just a rewrite of it as so many episodes this season have been of other TOS episodes. ;alfjdslkghsl;adfkghlsd
I am not in the mood right now. So not in the mood right now. I am in a very ill-tempered mood thsi weekend.
Have the oddest feeling i’ve seen LaForge down on his hands and knees searching for his visor before. But whether it’s because a similar scene happened in an episode I’ve seen (or whether perhaps I’ve seen this episode), or whether it was a scene in the Reading Rainbow episode on Star Trek, I dunno.
Huh. A bit Planet of Evil & Impossible Planet/Satan Pit going on there with the tar monster thingy of evil left on it’s lonesome on an abandoned planet. Except for the minor detail that those 2 serials of Doctor Who were both far better stories. Although this story gets bonus points for the death of Tasha yar, even if she had grown less annoying than I found her initially (where I was so diasappointed when she was killed then brought back instantly in an early episode).
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good lord. that girl’s microscopic top is about to fall off. Apparently Paris in the future, fine dining establishments don’t require shirts that actually cover more than a bra?
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“Swimming is too much like bathing.” So…..wait. do kllingons not bathe? *shudder*
Woah. What the cake is Reddick doing there. I’m sure it’s the same guy, the one who was interrogating the crew of the Enterprise about Picard a few episodes back, when his friend wanted to promote him? That episode is a bit fuzzy. I wasn’t paying much attention to the boring “I want to give you a promotion” subplot, but I think it may have just become relevant.
And the interrogator, is definitely the guy who is being all Wormtongue-y and whispering in the Admirals’ ear.
Also. Only halfway through, but this is probably the first TNG episode that I’ve actually found, well….almost riveting. I could actually enjoy TNG if more episodes were this caliber.
Woah. That’s totally one of those Wrath of Khan/Star Trek 2009, slug thingies. That crawl in peoples ears and stuff and brain wash you.
oh. oh cake. he’s beaming onto the Enterprise with…..oh dear. oh oh dear.
Woah. Didn’t realize I was watching one of the Alien movies with nasty grody aliens erupting from chests.
And that was one major “to be continued” ending without the specifically noted “to be continued”. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it is later revisited.
But yeah. Okay. If that is what TNG is like in later seasons, that quality? I can see why many people think it’s the bestest best thing ever of Star Trek. Because I really liked that episode. I could grow to like TNG if more episodes are of that caliber in later seasons.
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Woah. Getting Botany Bay “Spaceseed” flash backs here. Sleeper tubes?
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I think I’ve seen this episode. Or at least some of it.
I had this feeling of deja vu kind of sort of when Deanna revealed her child and he was a toddler instead of a one day old baby. But just kinda wrote it off as being reminiscent of Spock in Search for Spock.
But the whole exchange between the new Doctor and Data. With the whole “Day-ta vs Data” pronunciation of his name. I remember watching that. I mean I couldn’t have told you that I had until that second, but now I remember watching that exchange before. Must have been on NBC as a rerun when I was a munchkin, since the original airdate is before my birth
I know it’s an unpopular opiion, but I really like Wesley.
So I just had a thought (scary, I know). It’s been less than one year since I first watched Star Trek Into Darkness and became a Trekkie (I’d watched some Trek before that, a handful of TNG eps as a child, and “The Man Trap” sometime during 2010/2011 school year), but I didn’t fall in love wiht the universe until my first viewing of Star Trek Into Darkness on May 24, 2013.
Since then I’ve seen all of TOS once (and over half of it twice), all of TAS, the first season of TNG, the first 6 movies twice, Star Trek 2009 3 times, and Into Darkness 7 times. I own all of TOS and TAS on DVD, and the first season of TNG, the first 6 movies, and 2009 movie on DVD. I have a Star Trek blankets and curtains. I’ve acquired and gone to a con in a Starfleet uniform and met Captain Kirk himself.
All in less than a year. And we won’t even begin to delve into the number of hours of fanfiction I’ve read (because I couldn’t even begin to quantify it).
That’s a solid 7.4 days of the last year that I’ve spent just on watching Star Trek episodes. Probably at least that many again on internet browsing/fanfic/etc pertaining to Star Trek.
Imagine how much I’d get done if I actually spent that time studying. o.0
But seriously. It’s crazy to think it’s been less than a year since I first watched Into Darkness (just because of Cumberbatch) and became an obsessed Trekkie. All this in under a year because of Cumberbatch.
and the most funny part to me? The fact that my two largest scifi fandoms (Star Trek and Doctor Who), both of them I got into because I watched one thing in their universe becaue of an actor I liked. After my attempt at Star Trek my junior year (watching Man Trap) since I was enjoying Classic Who, and failing to become hooked, I only watched Into Darkness for Cumberbatch. Doctor Who I only ever watched my first episode of it because Colin Morgan from Merlin who I had the hots for at that time, was in an episode. And so I watched Midnight from season 4. And then ultimately watched all 800 episodes (including the television movie and additionally the two Peter Cushings movies, Shada, and some of those animated whatsits that they did during New Who). And now I’m watching all of Star Trek. All because of Cumberbatch.
But seriously. A solid week of Star Trek watching in under a year? And watching a movie seven times in less than a year? I’m honestly not sure if I’ve ever seen a single other movie that many times total. Maybe Lion King or Fox and the Hound or one of those other movies I loved as a child. Maybe. But in less than 1 year?
This post brought to you by: Luna should really be in bed now because she types too much when it’s late and makes the GAPAs read super rambly posts of rambliness.
There’s no thread for anime right now, so I’m just going to use this one.
First of all, I still think about Revolutionary Girl Utena all the time, because it is is hands-down the best TV show I have ever watched. It is not just funny and heartrending and amazingly characterized, it is an artistic masterpiece. It just has so many layers! Even in the earlier episodes, if you really take the time to analyze a scene, it has so many different meanings, it’s amazing–but you can also just watch them without thinking too deeply and really enjoy them. If you do that, though… Revolutionary Girl Utena creates this structure and gets you familiar with it, and it’s interesting and creative, although it has flaws, and it isn’t particularly special. And then it calls attention to all the little problems you notice and all the ones you don’t and questions all the principles the show was even operating on in the first place, and it has so many interesting things to say about gender roles and metaphysics and psychology and multiple religions, and… I could analyze it forever, and there would still be new stuff I hadn’t thought of before. The movie is also fantastic, although I had to watch it multiple times to appreciate it, and that’s apparently usual.
What makes me the happiest is that it was aimed at teenage girls. I am not used to being respected this much as an audience member. I mean, I know that the director was doing things mostly to make himself happy and didn’t expect it to make money, but it still feels like a gift. It is actually probably my favorite work of fiction right now. More people need to watch it.
In… other news, I just watched Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha: TOS! I loved it and can’t wait to watch the next series. I started it mainly because I wanted a new queerplatonic ship, and I wasn’t disappointed there, although Fate and Nanoha didn’t get to become friends until the end, but I liked most parts of the show. I was really happy at all the focus on the friendships in the show, especially Nanoha, Arisa, and Suzuka. I was delighted when Suzuka said she wanted to study engineering and even more delighted when it turned out she was the sweet, shy one who couldn’t stand conflict. And then the show got interdimensional travel! That’s always cool. And I love Nanoha’s honesty and bravery. And the ending was just so sweet.
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Wait. Hold up. Giant amorphous space anomaly thing that eats ships? And yet Data has no record of anything similar? Uh, “Immunity Syndrome”, anyone? With the giant space ameoba from TOS?
God. And I thought Dr. Crusher annoyed me. She’s infinitely better than this tactless, insensitive [female dog] of a new doctor. I can’t stand this [female dog]. Dr. Crusher cannot return soon enough for my liking.
“Please, demonstrate how this is accomplished.” The alien thing seriously just asked them to procreate on the bridge. Wow. lol
Also I kind of vaguely feel I may have seen this episode? But i’m really not certain.
Wait. So how, exactly, is destorying the Enterprise and 100% of the crew, an acceptable alternative/solution to the alien entity destroying 33-50% of the crew? Sorry. But I think there’s about 5%-66% of the crew that might have something to say about that logic.
Yeah. So I’m not sure. I kind of htink maybe I’ve seen it, but also kind of don’t think so. I dunno.
Also. From the wikipedia page for the episode: “Data states “There is no record of any Federation vessel encountering anything remotely like this” despite the fact Captain Kirk encountered just such an area of blackness in “The Immunity Syndrome”, which fits the “old Klingon legend of a gigantic black space creature which was said to devour entire vessels”, that Worf recalls perfectly”
Glad to know I’m not the only one that had that thought.
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So part of me thinks maybe I’ve seen this one? But I can’t be certain. I just feel that Data dressed as Holmes is familiar. But that doesn’t mean I’ve seen the episode. And Holodeck causing ridiculous amounts of problems also seems famkliar, but again doesn’t mean I’ve seen this episode, as it seems pretty darn common for the HOlodeck to be problematic……
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Dude. This Okona guy is cute. I like him.
Oh. I like him. I very much like him. He reminds me of Captain Jack. I really hope he doesn’t end up being a “bad guy”. Event hough it’s almost guaranteed he will.
I mean, in real life, I’d probably hate the guy because he’s an overly flirtatious womanizer, but…..
So……What do we want to bet that Okana’s crimes that these men are out for his blood for is he got there daughter’s/sister’s/female relative of some kind pregnant? Because that’s what my bet is on. Especially the way Okana is reacting.
Oh look. Imagine that. Luna is once again correct.
And i figured it was the boy that stole the jewel…..and pieced together the rest of it before they told us as as well, lol.
Definitely like Okana.
I don’t really know if this is geeky (I don’t really know what geeky means anymore, hah) but I think a lot of you would like Moone Boy. It’s just exactly like Calvin and Hobbes, only everyone is Irish and Hobbes is played by Roy from The IT Crowd. It’s super funny and charming and you can watch most of it for free on Hulu. One of the best things ever.
Cerulean has a question about Orphan Black, and it strikes her that someone here probably watches it, so: Just how much do I have to put up with Paul if I continue watching? I”m very interested in the show, but something about Paul or the actor who plays him makes me extremely uncomfortable, and so I haven’t gotten very far yet.
He sticks around, sorry about that. He’s still present in almost every episode as of s2e6 (the most recent one).
But it’s actually still a really great show! Thought I should add that. But if Paul is your dealbreaker, well…
Thank you so much! I’ve seen maybe the first 1.5 episodes–I had to stop partway through the second, because I didn’t feel well enough that day to deal with Paul when he showed up. I’m super interested in Tatiana Maslany’s characters, though, and I keep seeing things that let me know I want to keep watching…knowing he shows up as much as that, I’ll make sure I only watch when I feel up for slogging through his bits.
Should I watch Neon Genesis Evangelion?
From the two episodes I’ve watched, I would recommend it. I haven’t had time to get any further, but I love it already.
The tragedy of written television is, as Harvey Dent said, “you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” The Simpsons began as a witty, subversive, social commentary that shocked viewers. Campaigning for reëlection, President George H.W. Bush said “we need a nation closer to the Waltons than the Simpsons.” Now the show is on track to run 600+ episodes, but have there been any recent episodes really worth mentioning as subversive? I can’t imagine writing 600 episodes with the same characters, because their relationships are where the drama really lies. Every episode’s resolution should help resolve a character’s personal or interpersonal issue. When you run out of issues, there’s no drama. Character growth is good, but soon you’ll end up with a completely different show.
So why do shows run on and on well after they’ve expired, stalled out, refused to grow? Will people watch that new show with dynamic characters? Maybe, but they’re certainly watching right now. Even a stale show can be comfortable for audiences, which means decent ratings, which means decent ad revenue. Then there’s merchandising, licensing, spin-offs, etc. There are solutions. Doctor Who regenerates, picks up new companions, and has all of time and space to explore. But most shows have tighter confines to work within, and usually the story simply must end.
Neon Genesis Evangelion is all about endings. The story begins with an apocalypse, and things go downhill from there. Stepping back a level, things aren’t going so well in the real world either. The creator of the series is depressed, the animation studio runs out of money, and the entire genre of “kids piloting giant robots to fight aliens” is in a morass. NGE is an attempt to work through the author’s existential crisis while confronting both the artificial plots and characters and shallow commercialization of contemporary anime.
Practically speaking, NGE is a pretty typical gundam anime until around ep. 20. After that point things get really dark. Don’t worry if it doesn’t make sense.
Haha, I never answered your question! Yes, you should watch, it’s brilliant. Have a box of tissues ready for the finale. :'(
Meh. The ‘Borg sure come off as a bit too much of a rip-off of the Cybermen on Doctor Who. And the Cybermen were around long before TNG and the ‘Borg.
In other words, really not impressed with the first ‘borg episode, nor the ‘borg, and felt that episode was one of the more mediocre episodes. Not that that’s saying much, I still find TNG to not be as good as TOS, and while it has grown on me to where I don’t just want to smash characters heads into hard objects constantly, it still leaves something to be desired much of the time. And the fact that the ‘borg episode and ‘borg are hailed as being one of the bestest of the best episodes of TNG…..Yeah. Either I’ve got different opinions, or that doesn’t bode well for TNG as a whole, lol.
Conspiracy still rates as my favorite episode of TNG so far, I think.
tl;dr: the ‘borg are an inferior/subpar/much less interesting/entertaining rip off the Cybermen from Doctor Who and I don’t care for them. too bad I know they recur.
Not sure this qualifies as ‘Geeky’ exactly…but does anyone watch Game of Thrones?
I’m pretty sure it is geeky! Is it any good?
Oh, REALLY good. I’ll be really happy if there’s someone else here who watches, because every episode gives me a LOT of emotions. There is a lot of gore and a fair amount of sex/violence, but if you ignore all that, it’s so good that each week I tell myself ‘it can’t possibly get better than this’ and then in the next episode it goes and does.
Not gonna lie, I am kind of put off by gore and sex & violence: I’m the squeamish type. I might be better off reading the books. I probably would try those if it weren’t that there’s a million of them (at least eight or nine by this point, yeah? I think I remember the most recent one being advertised a year or so ago?) and no sign of him stopping soon, all of which makes that look like a commitment I’m not really ready to make. I don’t know, if the show’s that good I might have to go ahead and try anyway.
When I watch there are definitely moments of looking away and eye-covering and so on. If you’re quite squeamish then maybe I wouldn’t recommend it, unless you think you’d be able to get past that by closing your eyes or something.
The characters and plotlines are really interesting, so for me I think it’s worth enduring a bit of gore for some amazing stories.
I’ve never read the books because I’ve never had time to, but I have friends who have read or are reading them. I think there are five books out, and the author’s working on the sixth. They are supposed to be very good as well.
What I will say, if you do decide to watch it, is do your best to avoid spoilers online. Before I got caught up there seemed to be spoilers everywhere.
At this point, with a fast reading speed, does it take more time to catch up on the TV show or the books?
Well, the show’s currently in its fourth season, each season has ten episodes, each episode is an hour, so that’s 40 hours of television once this season ends in a couple of weeks. I don’t know how long it might take to read the books.
I would definitely not recommend it if you don’t have a very high tolerance for graphic violence – I only watched the first few episodes, but they seemed like borderline torture porn and apparently it gets worse.
Definitely do not watch the show if you do not like depictions of graphic sex and violence. The books have just as much sex and violence, but I get your point; it’s easier on the psyche to imagine it than to see it on screen. It’s medieval fantasy, but with all the realities of war.
Also, you are totally thinking of a different series! There are only five books so far out of a planned seven. They are very large, though. Don’t be intimidated! The chapters are fairly short and it’s really easy to just keep on going because you want to find out what happens next to your favorite characters. Though the original plan was three books, and then it spiraled out of control from there. There’s kind of a jokey rumor that there might possibly be eight at some point in the future.
The fifth book came out in summer 2011, six years after the fourth book came out. The sixth book is nowhere in sight—rumors abound as to its percent completion. If you’re optimistic (like me!), it might come out next year. There is definitely enough time to finish the whole series before the next one comes out! I did my first read-through over the course of a summer, reading… around an hour a day? I don’t really remember. My second read-through occurred over the course of around nine months, with me reading a couple of chapters every night. It’s actually fun to read slowly!
If you like book series with incredibly detailed, intricate plots, and love following around a vast array of believable, relatable characters, I wholeheartedly recommend the books. They were what got me into reading again a couple years ago.
Thank you (and Lizzie!) for the advice! I’ll try the first book and see if I like it.
I don’t, but my best friends at college do! My roommate binged-watched all of it after Christmas break last year, so I picked up a lot through her running down the hall to our other friend’s room after every new episode and freaking out about it. They’ve told me I’m not allowed to watch it, though – I don’t enjoy watching gore or nudity, so I agree it wouldn’t be a good fit. Still, they say that the quality of the episodes is amazing! I’ve actually thought about trying the books this summer, since I’m less squicky about things in books than on TV (because I can imagine them more to my own comfort level), and I’ve heard they’re amazing too.
While I’m on the subject of recommending TV shows – House of Cards. If you’re interested in politics, you must.
I was thinking of the US version, but the original BBC version is also good.
That’ll be the one I’ve heard described as like the West Wing but more cynical? (though note here that “more cynical than the West Wing” is a descriptor that can be applied to nearly all television ever; there’s a reason I like tWW so much.)
Come to think of it, have we talked about TWW on these threads? Because I would love to.
So would I!
I didn’t like either that or game of thrones as I found all the characters in both to be quite mean. (except Arya I think. I liked Arya. But I only read the first two books and that was back in 2005. I have seen a couple of episodes as well.) To each their own.
Catching up on Game of Thrones… I typically only watch episodes with great scenes, so S4E7 (“Mockingbird”) was on my list.
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There was a lot of good stuff–Arya/Hound, of course, was excellent, and I liked Brienne’s scenes. Oberyn’s talk with Tyrion was spot on as well.
The two scenes I was really watching for, though, were the snow castle scene and “Only Cat.” While the snow castle was very good, if a bit short, “Only Cat” was subpar. I know now why everyone was complaining about it. Since apparently the “I murdered my husband” bit was dropped the previous episode, there’s not enough coming out of Lysa’s crazy ramblings to make it shocking enough. The power of that scene comes from all these bombshells being dropped and then suddenly she’s gone without a sound. Instead, she screams the whole way down.
And the line was changed. I understand why it was (I don’t think the nickname “Cat” was used a whole lot in the show), but it’s simply less powerful. And they took out the “only” in front, which again diminished it.
I’m not sure how show watchers felt about it, but it ended up being kind of predictable. When you get it from Sansa’s point of view, there’s no predicting what Littlefinger will do, right until the very end.
So I’m on my ninth TNG episode of the day (no inpatients to take care of at school today, so just chilling at my apartment all day).
The episode I’m watching right now is the 3rd season episode “The Bonding”, and what the actual cake. Just gotta say, I did not see that coming. Don’t know how the rest of the episode is going to play out, but that was a twist I did not expect.
Woah. Watching season 3 episode “The Price” now. And I was working on my Enterprise cross stitch and didn’t have my eyes focused on my computer, and I look up, and there’s Dr. Crusher in a super super green skin tight leotard with very very green tights and sleeves. And then Troi runs in in a matching pinkish purple leotard. What the cake. That was….a very weird point to focus back in on looking at the screen…..
TNG third season episode “The Defector”
I really liked this episode. Reminds me of the first Romulan episode of TOS,c ombined with Corbomite Maneuver, combined with Enterprise Incident. A very good episode. My only issue: the Romulan Ale thing. Data tells the Romulan commander they can’t supply Romulan Ale because they have no access to the original beverage to program the replicators. Uhhhhhh. Romulan Ale has been around in the Federation for years and years and year. Captain Kirk supplies the Klingons with it in the movie “Undiscovered Country” and it’s noted on occasion in TOS/the movies, that Romulan Ale is illegal in teh Federation. So why the line about not having it to program the replicator? Why not just a “it’s illegal, we don’t have any”, since obviously access to it is availabel on the black market, if no where else. :/ Continuity issues for me, lol
This next episode. “The Hunted”. With an escaped prisoner. I’m flashing back to that TOS episode with an escaped prisoner from a prison planet like woah. Is this priosner going to end up being the good guy, and the leader on the planet the bad guy, like in that episode?
TNG “High Ground”. Transporting via a dimensional shift? Okay. SO when the guy first snatched the doctor, I had a total flashback to the season 2 two part finale of Doctor Who, where Mickey and company used those parallel dimension hoppers and Rose’s dad snatched her into the other dimension. But i was like, eh, whatever, similar but only in your mind. but now they pretty much flat out said they were dimension hopping, and OMG I swear that Doctor Who epsiode totally ripped off this star Trek episode in that regard.
Ugh. The next episode. Deja Q. I dislike it before I’ve even started watching it. Ever since the first Q episode, where he was a subpar rip off of Tremaine, and just an annoying %^&* any mention of Q just fills me with distaste and I dislike Q episodes before I even start watching them. I don’t think I’ve really liked a single Q episode so far. *sigh*
“The Offspring”. Okay. So I’ll admit, at first I was like OMG this episode is so stupid when we had Data’s as of yet ungendered naked android child. I guess I’m racist against androids. Because once his android child looked human, I actually connected with the episode much more and really started to like Lal. And ended up actually thinking it a pretty decent episode. And I cried. That makes two episodes so far in season 3 that have made me cry. Season 3 is actually a pretty decent season, overall thus far.
“Allegiance”. That alien is wearing the Sydney Opera House on his head.
Ohhhhhh. Finally placed who the Sydney Opera House alien reminds me of with his really annoying “hey come conquer my race” cowardly attitude thingy. That alien on Doctor Who. The episode “God Complex” with Eleven. Where they’re in the hotel with rooms that show their worst nightmare.
Okay. Picard in a silk speedo? Yeah. Could have done without that. Although I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it before. Not the episode. Just maybe a still of him lounging in said attired somewhere on the interwebz. But yeah. Anytime he’d like to throw some more clothes on is okay with me.
24 TNG episodes in 2 days? That’s…..a good way to spend my time, right? It’s not like real life and responsibilities exists, right? *sigh*
Been looking forward to the episode “Sarek”, because despite the fact Sarek time and time again has proven to be an absolute jerk, he has also proved to be the exact opposite on numerous occasions, and so many touching heartbreaking scenes between him and Spock (and maybe the 2009 movie is clouding my judgement, his role in TOS was pretty much a jerk–no, wait. The TOS movies, Sarek was epically awesome, that scene in Search for Spock……Yeah. SArek kicks butt)
So anyway. Have been anticipating this episode. And 30 seconds in, was crushed by the comment that Sarek would be beaming on board with his wife Perry (?), a human. After a moment of reflection after my exclamation of disgust, I realize Amanda would likely be dead of old age, but…..I guess I’m saddened by Sarek remarrying. I dunno.
OMG. Another 5 seconds in, and this episode may have just become epically awesome. Provided they never name, nor mention the gender of, the individual that Spock married. Because Picard just said he met SArek once, very briefly, at his son’s wedding. And if they don’t say anything to counter it……Then it is totally fanon in my head that Picard is referring to the wedding of Kirk and Spock.
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*growl* I don’t trust that ^(*&^*(&*(*& who calls herself Sarek’s wife. Nor his aides. There’s something shady going on here.
Woah. OMG. What the cake. Sarek is crying. Like actual tears? Not just exhibiting emotions, but actual tears. I thought it was suppose to be canon that Vulcan’s don’t have tear ducts (and thus incapable of crying) and why there was so much outrage that Quinto’s Spock cried in STID? Or maybe I’ve completely blurred the line between fanon and canon so much at this point I don’t know what’s real (canon) and what’s not (fanon). Plus, as I”m t yping that about Vulcans and tear ducts, I realize what a totally absurd comment that is. How could Vulcans not have tear ducts? I mean, biologically speaking. Tear ducts are a necessity for keeping eyes moist, even with that third eyelid Vulcans have going on. I mean, dogs and cats have tear ducts (and third eyelids). I wonder i there are species in real life that don’t have tear ducts? Seems improbable.
And maybe there isn’t soething sinister. Maybe they’ve just got their knickers in a bunch because they’re all Vulcany and Sarek is *emoting* in public and oh how shameful. But. I can’t help but sense sinister intent.
Also I can’t help but feel Pon Farr maybe is going to somehow play in? Also, apparently I analyze episodes WAY MORE if Spock is even tangentially involved (aka Sarek). Clearly I’m way too invested in my Vulcans.
Woah. So is SArek projecting his emoting onto all these poor people? Or is whatever is causing Sarek’s emoting, also causing the emoting of all theseothers, and the reason his emoting is so tame is because he’s all Vulcany and in control?
Hey, look. Crusher as always, just a bit slow on the uptake. Deducing my findings *after* I already have formulate them. LIke now she’s saying she thinks maybe Sarek is causing the emotional turbulence. Like no duh. Didn’t I just say that? Do you not listen?
Oh god Sarek. I can’t even imagine how awful that must be, as a Vulcan, to lose control of your emotions like that. Although equally horrifying is the thought that that is what Spock goes through every second of his life, trying to find balance between his emotional human half and his repressed Vulcan half, and that he is ocnstantly fighting that battle, and oh god Sarek. *sob*
Spock. *sob* Okay, the whole Picard emoting as Sarek thing really wasn’t doing it for me until that point. And while it would have been so much better with the actor who plays Sarek, because let’s face it, Picard sucks, and while I”m sure Sir Patrick Stewart is a very fine actor, I just have no emotional involvement in his character whatsoever, so blech. So it would have been far better with Sarek, but damn. Yeah. Sarek. Spock. *sob* Season 3 sure has been a tear jerker season, so far. That makes 3 episodes this season that have made me cry so far?
And that whole meld thing? Gives new meaning/perspective on “emotional transference is a side effect of the meld” from the ST 2009 movie, lol.
But god. Sarek. Poor poor Sarek.
Also. Spocks’ spouse? Not named in the episode, so….yeah. Totally was the wedding of Spock and Kirk, which is even more so why Picard was so awestruck during that wedding, in the presence of all that history, like he said.
I absolutely refuse to even entertain theh possibility that Spock married Savvik (as the internet feels was most likely who it was suppose to be referencing in the wedding mention, and the fact the script writers of the movies almost went there), because I still find a relationship between Spock and Saavik of the sexual variety downright stomach turning. And the scene of them makiing out in Search for Spock…..is still extremely off putting and *shudder*. And Leonard Nimoy didn’t want them as an item, so if that doesn’t make it canon that they never were an item, never, beyond that necessary snog to keep Spock alive, then, well, I don’t even know. But yeah. Anyone, anyone but Saavik. Just. *shudder*
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“Ménage a Trois” episode [why does my spell check in my browser now say that episode is spelled wrong and want to put an accent on the “e”? Actually, it only says it’s wrong in the instance where it’s used right after “trois”. How odd.]
Anyway. Menage a Trois episode. If I were just a few years younger, or the character of Wesley just a few years older (as in, not barely if even 18 yet), I would have such a hugely hugely major crush on him. Because he is by far my favorite character on TNG, about the only one I’m emotionally involved in. I mean Data is pretty cool, I like him, and Geordi is pretty decent, but Wesley is my favorite. Everyone else, bleh. And he looks very handsome in his new starfleet uniform. So if I were a bit younger, or he a bit older, I’d definitely have a crush on his character. The whole, he’s only 17 and his actor was not even quite yet 18 at that point is preventing me from forming any sort of more than just a passing “yeah….if he were older…..” because yeah. 17 is too too young.
Alright, well, I still say the ‘borg are a total rip off of cybermen and therefore suck on principle, but the season 3 finale/first half of the borg two parter that ends in the first ep of season 4 was decent. The ending seemed familiar, including the “To be continued….”, so I think it may be another episode I caught on tv as a child when nbc was airing reruns. And the ending, especially if i’d seen it as a child, would explain why i so readily and easily picked up on the ‘borg reference of one of the ophtho clinicians when she was holding a penlight up to the side of her face demonstrating indirect ophthalmoscopy and said resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, or osmething along those lines…..
Oh my god. Wow. Yeah. I repeat: Cybermen rip off “Why do you resist, we only wish to make you better”. Seriously. Please. Stop ripping of the cybermen. they are so much more awesome.
And even though I can’t pinpoint any specific instance that scream “you’ve seen this”, I just had this vague feeling of familiarity, especially during the second episode, so I definitely think these may be ones I’ve seen.
WOW. Just WOW. Are you bloody kidding me? Seriously? Seriously, Stephen Moffatt?
So watching TNG, as per usual. Watching an episode entitled “Remember Me”, from Season 4. Finding it a mediocre episode, I mean, you know everything is going to work out. All the crewmembers disappearing, you know they won’t stay gone, because otherwise what would occur in the remaining 3 seasons? And then on the bridge, Dr. Crusher is about to finally tell Picard she loves him, as you have hear on the internet is an ongoing theme–she starts to tell him her feelings and then cake hits the fan. *yawn* So when he disappears, big shock.
Then the whole bridge suddenly opens up in white light, sucking everything in, into the nothingness that makes everyone no longer remembered–except by Dr. Crusher.
And then you are suddenly out of nowhere smacked upside the head with the overwhelming similarity between this vortex of light making everything it touches forgotten, and Stephen Moffat’s white light in the “cracks int he universe” erasing all memory and knowledge of everything it touched. And the disgust you have for Moffatt [due to his ruining of 50 years of Doctor Who historry in the season 7 finale, in a move that fills me with rage and disgust everytime I happen to think of it] is multiplied infinitely, as you realize his supposedly super awesome totally loved and worshipped by idiots on the internet for his cracks and erasing everything etc, that he just totally unoriginally ripped of TNG. Yeah. Genius move there, Moffatt. You are an even suckier piece of pond scum than I had previously realized. Please go die a painful death for what you did in the season 7 doctor who finale, and for all the horrible atrocities to the shows history that it has been hinted you plan to commit in the future.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
Oh. And the last 15 minutes of the episode? Starting 5 seconds after I typed all the previous portion of this comment? Proves that not only did Star Trek do it first, it did it better. You suck Moffatt.
The white light has always reminded me of Moffat himself for its need to erase things so they never existed.
The Doctor is haunted by the difficult choice of having to destroy his own planet? Eleven can go back and take the easy way out. All that angst and character development was because Ten forgot and no one bothered to tell Nine.
Companions prove their worth by saving the Doctor repeatedly? It was actually Clara every single time.
Ten knew he could never bring the Time Lords back for their destructive ways and the danger they posed to the rest of the universe? Surely he’d change his mind if he thought of THE CHILDREN.
OMG. Data has a cat.
Star Trek TNG season 4 episode “Devil’s Due”. Pretty sure I saw this episode or parts of as a child. The shape changing devil stuff rings a bell.
OMG wow. Just wow. Watching “First Contact”, an alien woman, who is the equivalent of one of the nutso “I believe in aliens”/alien groupie type people, just told Riker she would help him escape…..If he made love to her. And then started clearing off his hospital bed in preparation. While wearing geeky glasses and clutching a book, like a very overdone stereotype of a nerd. Just wow.
“There are differences in the way that my people make love.” –Riker, when for once not trying to get in the pants of some passing woman/alien like a badly done knock off of Kirk. “I can’t wait to learn” –alien woman
Although, admittedly, while the scene is quite lol-worthy, the fact that Riker does then, presumably, sleep with her, it’s a bit off-turning if one thinks about it too much… :/
Let me ask one hypothetical question:
If I was, let’s say, showing an interest in all of the things I’ve heard on the internet about Doctor Who, and… hypothetically, of course… wanted to… check out one or two… episodes, where would you say I begin, where would I go to get these certain episodes (online preferably), and whom would you recommend I have a crush on?
If you have Netflix, both NuWho and Classic Who are on there.
NuWho is a 2005 reboot starting with the Ninth Doctor, and explains everything about Time Lords etc. for new viewers, so you could probably start there if you want.
Classic Who starts with the First Doctor way back in the 1960s, and established a lot of the show’s canon. (I … still haven’t watched it.)
If you don’t have Netflix, see if your local library has DVDs, mine did!
I think it’s easier to get into it if you start with the newer series (after 2005). I recommend David Tennant, both for crushing on and for an introduction to the show! His first episode was The Christmas Invasion, I believe, which is in Season 2 on Netflix. Series 1-4 are all brilliant; the main writer was great and the show just has a feeling of enthusiasm. It gets a lot darker after series 5, when a new writer took over.
Good luck!
One of us. One of us. One of us.I mean, genuinely– start wherever. The things the others are saying are good starting points probably; equally, I started with series 5 and I’m not really the worse for it I don’t think. (One note: Even if you do skip the tail end of s7, Luna recommends below, I’d recommend watching “The Rings of Akhaten” at least, and probably “Hide” as well. Most everything else you can probably toss out without worrying.)
but: my opinions are deeply idiosyncratic. what I’ve seen of the Tennant years made me want to punch a wall quite often, but in fandom and on the ‘blog Tennant is very well liked indeed. What you’ll like depends very much on you, and in fact it’s not a bad idea to watch an episode from each of the New Doctors and see who appeals to you.
The 2005 reboot I’d say is best place to start. New doctor, new companion, new plot–you’re not coming in in the middle of anything, and they don’t assume you know anything else about the show.
The thing with the suggestion of starting with David Tennant, is then you are essentially saying “skip Christopher Eccleston.” Which always makes me sad because I loved his series a lot!! It has some moments that, of the new series, were the ones that made me go “this is him, this is unquestionably the Doctor in all his complicated Good-ness. “Don’t skip the 9th doctor
Catwings: In response to your unmodded post about Doctor Who. For a newcomer to the show such as yourself, I would recommend starting with the 2005 reboot of the show. Despite not truly being the first season, it is billed as season 1, with Classic Who having its own numbering. The first episode of the 2005 reboot is entitled “Rose”, and features the Ninth Doctor (portrayed by Chris Eccleston).
If you were just wanting a suggestion of a smattering of a couple episodes that you could watch to see if the show spiked your interest, prior to watching it from the beginning of the reboot, I’d recommend “Blink” from Season 3, “Doctor Dances” and “Empty Child” two parter (those may be backwards) from season 1, or “Silence in the Library” two parter (I forget the name of the other episode). And yes, I realize the hypocrisy that all of those aforementioned episodes that I really enjoy were written by Moffatt whom I wish to die with a fiery passion and never touch the show again because of what he’s done/is doing to it.
Once you watch the reboot series (which personally, I’d say feel free to give the second half of season 7 a skip, it’s beyond awful, and the season finale of season 7 is just ;alkfjdlghldksfjzkdl;hglasdjkkslghld;jkgh;kdjls–of course, if you were to skip that, you’d kind of have to stop watching the show as a whole at that point, because Moffat’s going to build on and destroy the show further from that point), if you’re madly in love with the show, then you could consider going all the way back to the very beginning, and watching the “classic” series which began in 1963. But that is a very daunting task, and not for the casual viewer of the show. It took me 3 years to get through it all, and it was very slow going at points.
As for recommending someone to have a crush on? I’m not sure if that was suppose to be a joke, so I’ll treat it as a serious statement. You don’t need to have a crush on anyone on the show. And I certainly wouldn’t “recommend” any given character on whom to crush. Whether or not any individual on the show is crush worthy or not is entirely in the eye of the viewer, and you will crush or not crush on any character just as much or little without input from anyone else.
” You don’t need to have a crush on anyone on the show. And I certainly wouldn’t “recommend†any given character on whom to crush….”
but the correct answer is obviously the Tenth Doctor AKA David “Sdfsglsdgs” Tennant*ahem* Luna is right. I’ll also echo others before me and recommend the 2005-present series, though I recommend starting from the beginning with Rose [episode name]. The first couple episodes are kind of strange and confusing, but you’ll quickly settle into a groove and — if you’re anything like me — end up sobbing on your bedroom floor at 2 AM watching Tennant’s departure soon enough.
…not that I did that.
Also, I don’t know if this counts as sufficiently “geeky”, but I just spend the last several hours binge-watching 12 episodes of House while packing up my things. It’s 4 AM… I think I’ll go to bed now.
SFTDP. It was 14 episodes. what am I doing with my life
I just started watching House!
It’s a great show. Despite having little interest in the field of medicine, I’ve seen every episode – the titular character is absolutely fascinating (and Hugh Laurie is just great in everything!).
I was thrilled to find it on Netflix; there’s a lot of season 4 that I never watched, and I’ve convinced myself that as long as I have one of my summer reading books in front of me, I can be productive while watching it.
I’ve missed the team that he recruits after season 3! I feel like it was kind of a high point of the series.
It’s nice to hear that someone else likes the Thirteen/Kutner/Taub team. Everyone seems to prefer the Chase/Cameron/Foreman team, but I’m at the end of season 4 now and I really like the second team.
Also, I don’t know if links are still forbidden, but there’s an EXCELLENT gif floating around the internet about House. Google “house summary gif” and you’ll find it (just tried it).
The one with the mouse bites?
Yes! That one exactly. Hehe.
What Sel said — House is a GREAT show. I really, really like medicine, and even though they say things like “run a double-stranded DNA test” (whatever that means), it presents some really interesting medical mysteries. Also, House (as a person) is just great in general. I’ve watched it before, but I figured it was time for a refresher.
HOPPY FLOPPY BUNNIES
TROGDOR THE BURNINATOR
THERE’S ANOTHER ONE IN CLEVELAND
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER IS A GREAT SHOW EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH
(OCCASIONALLY THERE IS DRAGGED-OUT RELATIONSHIP DRAMA AND BAD SPECIAL EFFECTS BUT IN GENERAL IT’S A VERY SUBVERSIVE AND CREATIVE SHOW WITH UNIQUE CHARACTERS AND QUOTABLE DIALOGUE)
On the subject of Doctor Who: It occurs to me that it might be fair to give David Tennant’s Who another try.
So, what I’ve seen: “New Earth,” “The Christmas Invasion,” “Tooth and Claw,” “School Reunion,” “The Girl in the Fireplace,” “Smith and Jones,” “The Shakespeare Code,” “Human Nature/The Family of Blood,” “Blink,” “Fires of Pompeii,” the ones in the library, “Partners in Crime,” and “Midnight.” I liked “Blink,” which doesn’t have much of him in it, and the library ones; I thought the Family of Blood episodes were very good in parts. Anything else made very little impression or else made me rather annoyed / angry / frustrated. Which episodes would you suggest that I try, or try again, to give me a good impression of Ten? Or do you think that I’ve watched enough to in good conscience give up on him? Alternately: why do you guys like him so much? What am I missing?
Gridlock, The Doctor’s Daughter, The Unicorn and the Wasp, The Waters of Mars, and The End of Time are all good. But if you decide you don’t like Ten that’s fine! It’s a perk of the show’s structure that if you don’t like the main character there will be a new one in a few years.
Okay, I might try one of those! And, yeah, I know you don’t have to like all of them. Really I just wonder what everyone else is seeing in Ten that I can’t find, and wondering if I didn’t give him a fair enough chance. I can see something in just about any Doctor– even the ones I don’t like as much I can find something to love about. Even the Doctors that aren’t my favorites– I don’t adore Jon Pertwee at all, but I can find things to like about him. I’m not sure why I can’t seem to do that with Tennant.
I haven’t seen any of Ten’s episodes in a long while, so you’ll have to bear with me.
I like how cheesy most of Ten’s episodes are. Like, they know it’s weird and probably bad, but the actors’ dedication shines through. Or something.
For me, Ten was charming and funny and just a little quirky (not too much). I most definitely liked the funny episodes more than the serious ones. With Eleven most of the comedy fell flat for me, leaving drama that left me bogged down and unsatisfied.
May I ask what you don’t like about Ten?
A while back, I decided to just go ahead and watch New Who before finishing Classic Who because I was tired of not understanding the references everyone was making to it all the time wherever I went (here, else-Internet, Real Life, what have you–I think it may be more popular at my school than a lot of places in the United States; one time there was a poll in one of my classes to see how many of us watched Doctor Who, and more than half of the hands went up). And then I finished the RTD era, and I’m… concerned. I’m hoping Moffat-era Who isn’t as bad as everybody seems to think, but I was not that optimistic even before I actually watched any more.
And then I did start watching. I… definitely still enjoy it and am not going to have trouble finishing it, which is good because I really want to, but it was also clear from the first episode that it’s… not the same. I mean, female characters were always always always introduced face-first before, and that… doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. And then there was that “get a girlfriend” comment–I really don’t get what even prompted that, but I suspect it’s something gross, and regardless, that kind of heteronormativity had not been there. And there were other things–and then I kept watching a few more episodes, and I got to Victory of the Daleks, which… it was a victory because the Doctor didn’t kill them all? Apparently? Did I miss something? I am really hoping that someone is going to tell me I missed something and there were more Daleks elsewhere and he was only planning on killing those or something because it looked like the Doctor was disappointed that he missed an opportunity to… kill all the Daleks. Which… I thought we went through that? Several times? It was established that the Doctor would not kill all the Daleks because that’s genocide. And he didn’t change his mind or anything; it was like that just… never happened. And it was kind of important.
Please, someone tell me whether or not I missed something there.
(I actually still like the plots, though. Other than, well, that one. I’m hoping that isn’t going to change.)
Moffatt era started off okay in my opininon. I mean, the over arching plots lines were to involved and drawn out, and i feel i still have questions that are unresolved from season 5, but at first i liked Moffatt era fine. Contrary to what many people feel, I actually really like Amy. And season 5 although very different, overall I liked (Victory of the Daleks was not my favorite epsiode, it was just…..not that great an episode. although killing all the Daleks as being not going to happen is a New Who/RTD phenomenon. Pretty sure there were multiple isntances in Classic Who where the Doctor tried to kill of the daleks/was mroe than willing to do so if possible). I think the “Victory” in victory of the daleks is just a reference to the slgoans of WWII “To Victory!” And since the DAleks’ were “helping” achieve victory, it was Victory of the Daleks if WWII ws won? even though they were ironsides to churchill. i don’t know. i never actually put much thought into that.
And season 6 I think i liked alright. The first half of season 7 was when i found it….less good? There were several eps I thought kind of flubbed in that half of the season. Or maybe it was just Dinosaurs on a Spaceship from that half season that colors it so poorly. But it wasn’t until the second half of season 7 where I thought it really went to hell. With the exception of about one episode, I really did not care for the second half of season 7, and the season finale of season 7…..well. yeah. i hate it so so so so much.
…I’m not glad to hear that, seeing as I don’t think this came across at all, but I do like Moffat Who so far even though I already don’t like it as much. I really didn’t want it to get way worse.
I’ve barely seen any Classic Who, but… it’s not difficult for me to believe that the Doctor wanted to kill all the Daleks and eventually decided not to do that; the way the RTD episodes relating to that were written did make it seem like that was a difficult decision, so it would make sense that he hadn’t decided it before. But VotD didn’t even seem like it was even a decision; it felt more like “Let’s just forget that the stuff that happened previously in New Who ever happened.” It doesn’t upset me to hear that the Doctor tried to do something like that in Classic Who, but at this point, it… doesn’t make sense. It’s like… character development versus character derailment/lack of continuity.
And regardless of why the title was the title, I definitely felt like the Doctor seemed to think he’d failed because he didn’t kill them. I remember Amy had to reassure him that he had saved the entire earth, which was “not too shabby” or something like that (although I do realize that was a deliberate understatement).
I do like Amy so far, though, so that’s good. (And 11, mostly–he’s said some things that annoy me, definitely, but there is stuff about him I like). And I’m still happy with the plots so far.
Guys guys apparently there’s some tv channel in Germany that still shows (horribly dubbed) Buffy reruns (currently season 5) and my dad is watching Buffy! *crosses fingers* Please let it take, that would be so cool…
Star Trek TNG episode “The Game” has got to be about the most weirdly uncomfortable 45 minutes of a broadcast television episode I’ve watched. It’s one of those episodes that most people would be like “Don’t watch it with your parents”, like they do when they see a movie with nudity. Which isn’t as awkward as some people seem to think, but whatevs.
But it starts out with Riker bringing a virtual reality, simple little addictive game from Risa. Yes. It begins with Riker trying to get everyone to play a game he picked up on Risa. Risa, the pleasure planet? The planet that is essentially a giant adult store/sex club in planet form? Yeah. That kind of sets up the tone. This game–which in case you forgot from Risa–stimulates the pleasure centers of your brain. Yeah. You read that right. While they never out right say it, pretty sure anyone who isn’t really young or who hasn’t been living under a rock or who isn’t my sister [she’s clueless] can see already exactly what it is they’re alluding to with this.
And you don’t go more than about 20 second intervals without watching someone “having the pleasure center of their brain stimulated” and seeing Dr. Crusher having hers stimulated abot 5 times in succession in front of her son and then telling him that “oh, sorry, this sex game was meant for you, here try it!” and trying to force him to use it? *shudder*
So intensely awkward.
Edit: I typed all this in a comment box yesterday while watching Star Trek….And then apparently forgot to post it and came across the tab with it just now. And because I know y’all care so much here you go:
If it were possible to enter television programs and violently attack and rip out the throats of characters…..Well. Spock’s step mother [female dog] [string of profanities] would be top of my hit list. I am yelling obscenities at her and my computer. And envisiong ripping out her jugular. Her mere existence as Sarek’s wife is bad enough. Her taking Spock’s perfectly legitimate public disagreement with his father over political matters and using it to ensure that Spock and Sarek don’t see each other/reconcile in Sarek’s life time? Because she’s “protective” of her husband? When her husband is not offended by spock’s disagreement? When the two Vulcans already have a shaky relationship? And knowing thes poilers that I know, that Sarek dies at some point in TNG without Spock ever fully knowing the depth of his love and pride for Spock? I hate this owman with a fiery passion of murderous rage. And the two part episode arc has barely even finished the credit sequence.
And seriously. How can anyone believe even for a second that Spock would EVER defect. EVER. Spock is the mot loyal individual you could ever find.
That’s…..timey wimey, Listening to Spock talk about committing Kirk to peace with the Klingons….1 month before the movie that dealt with that was released. Also, it’s weird. I’ve seen the movie that came out at this time, Undiscovered Country, and heard Spock speak in it and never was I hit with “woah his cadence and look and everything is exactly like Spock speaking to Kirk in the cave in 2009 relaying the story about the Romulans”. And watching this episode, everything about his cadence is flashing me back to Star Trek 2009 SO HARD.
Bleurgh. Riker is from Alaska?! Skeezy I-can’t-wait-to-get-in-the-pants-of-every-woman-I-see-whether-I-have-intact-memory-or-not Riker is from my home state? Yuck. I feel unclean. Can we pretend this isn’t canon?
Riker gets better later in the series. Troi, too. In fact, they all do. You have to remember that the actors and writers were making it up as they went along. It took them a while to figure out what they were doing.
…..I’m 15 episodes into season 5. Unless he suddenly has some a major character overhaul in the remaining 2 1/2 seasons, I’d say he’s as much better as he’s going to get. And while he is better, he is still has his skeezy leer and womanizing “I’m going to sleep with every female-ish thing that comes along” attitude, and he just doesn’t manage to pull it off in a likeable way.
I don’t completely want to strangle him and smash his skull like I did early in the series, but I think I’ve watched enough of TNG at this time, that he’s probably got as much better as he’s going to, and while he’s usually tolerable, he was especially skeezy in the episode in which it was revealed that his birthplace was in Alaska, so…..I feel my disgust is justified and I’ve seen enough episodes to have developed a valid opinion.
Troi is sometimes tolerable. But she’s not my favorite either.
((Wesley is my favorite. He is sadly not a regular anymore, and the last episode he was in, my enjoyment of it was vastly outweighed by the discomfort from other aspects of the episode. Data is pretty okay. LaForge it depends on the episode. Dr. Crusher far better than she use to be. Picard still far too holier than thou. Riker skeezy. Troi and her empath abilities far to “convenient” except when it’s inconvenient for the plot and she’s just an idiot instead. And Worf is….just too darn shouty. Dude. Get some inflection in your voice other than just shouting. Every single other Klingon on the show has more modulation of their voice than just “angry sounding shout”.))
Interesting things happen in the sixth and seventh seasons.
It’s a YouTube series and not a TV show, but Geek and Sundry’s Spooked has nerdy paranormal investigators, Whedonverse guest stars, and needs more fans to consider making a second season.
ANYONE WANT TO HAVE A KORRA PARTY?!?!?!??!?!?!
ADGHK That was sooo good.
Any string of episodes that can bring Korra (the character) up from a “dislike” to a “I’ll give her another shot” gets an A in my book.
And there’s a fantastic setup for the rest of the season.
SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE SPOILERS KORRA BOOK THREE
I just really hope Zuko isn’t killed by Sparky Sparky Boom Lady… That would be so sad. And Korra needs to go on a life-changing field trip, everybody knows that!
Star Trek “Time’s Arrow”. THis episode is very Doctor Who-y. I like it. It’s got the feel of a Classic Who ep, with a splash of Harry Potter thrown in. We’ve got aliens that can transplant you in time hanging out in a cave (Weeping Angels, anyone?) which incidentally also have gaping mouths and feed on human life force (dementors, anyone?), a phase disruptor type thingy that puts me in mind of the rigged time travel with Donna in Turn Left, and sinister aliens snatching souls dressed in 1800s garb. And the opening of the episode was very much like a Silurian episode format, where a cave is discovered withe vidence of alien life on earth in “anicent” history.
So. The next episode. “Realm of Terror”. From the screenshot of the episode before it started playing (a star/sun with plasma streaming from it), knowing nothing at all but the title and picture, I knew it was going to be about living plasma. Like the Doctor Who episode 42. And guess what? It’s about plasma infected with living microbes. Or essentially living plasma. :/ I have apparently progressed from predicting plot points early in [many] episodes/before the characters do to predicting them before even starting the episode.
Wow. So I have no idea if DS9 stays good, but….I just watched the first 2 part episode, because I’m watching Star Trek in the ordered it aired, so I’m going to be watching TNG and DS9 simultaneously for awhile, and…..DS9 may deteriorate, but the first episode just blew tNG out of the water in terms of how much I like it. I watched the episode, and I”m like woah. I like this. I watched the first TNG episode, and I was like oh god can I please stab half these characters (and my sorrow when Tasha Yar was blissfully killed…..and then just as soon as I’d gotten done rejoicing she was revived. That was sad). I mean, I don’t know. Cheryl (my friend who like Star Trek) told me that if I wasn’t big on TNG that I was going to absolutely hate DS9 and that it was horrible awful terrible and she couldn’t evenf inish watching the series, but….I dunno. I’m optimistic at this point, because so far I actually really liked it. Which is a little surprising because on TNG the Bajorans (specifically Ensign Ro) irritate me terribly, the Ferengi on TNG are like fingernails on a chalkboard, and….I was about to say my only interest in regards to the Trill was that I have a memory of a spotted faced alien wearing a black veil and when I was watching the trill ep of TNG I thought it was it, but then I realized that the episode of TNG with the black spotted faced alien was NOT a Trill. That was a different episode, and now I don’t understand why Kriosians and DS9 Trills look exactly the same. But whatevs.
Oh. Also. I think I’ve seen some DS9 eps. Because I recognize Odo. So. Pretty sure I’ve probably seen some.
Also. The doctor is super cute.
“Killing your own clone is still murder.” Uh. Someone should have told Riker and Pulaski that….before they murdered their clones in “Up the Long Ladder”…..
I haven’t watched DS9 yet, but I’ve heard a lot that it’s pretty much love it or hate it because it’s very different from previous Trek (especially TNG).
from twitter:
Star Trek: life in a bad ass car
Star Trek next generation: life with a bad ass dad
Deep space 9: you live at the airport now
Yay, I’m caught up! I can fanfreakout with no fear of being spoiled!
Noooo, I’m caught up! But I don’t wanna waaaait!
This has been “Cerulean Pyros Watches Orphan Black”.
Huh, this thread is doing an odd. Rainbow*Storm, ZNZ, and CPM have posts from a couple weeks back with odd numbering that have gone sticky at the end of the thread.
Okay, I made a new thread, so if the GAPAs could close this one, I’d appreciate that.
Done!
So do you guys think BBC Jim Moriarty will go through the villain life cycle of legitimate threat > recurring rival > reluctant ally > weird family member?
I still think he’s dead–there are explanations for the last episode besides “oh, he faked his death”. Even if he is alive, I have a very hard time that he could ever be a “weird family member”
I think he’s probably not dead because it would be really anticlimactic to end S3 by teasing that he might be alive after all and then go “oh, never mind” basically, but I also can’t see him ever getting to the “weird family member stage.”