We sense a groundswell of enthusiasm for this topic, so–why not?
66 thoughts on “Evolution”
I’m all for it.
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Yes! Evolution rox. Arthur Dent is an “ape descendent”
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Enthusiasm, eh? I guess people aren’t home from school yet, or something.
I’m all for it except for humans.
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Sure, why not?
That is either my reaction to
a) evolution in general b) an evolution thread c) a “groundswell of enthusiasm”
You decide.
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Anyone completely against evolution? I’ve only seen people who are for it. (I’m for it too)
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5) Not completely against it. There are basically two types of evolution– Micro-evolution and macro-evolution. Macro is quickly adapting, as in just one person, or in a few generations.
Micro is what most people mean when they talk about evolution.
I don’t like micro, but macro seems to be “true”
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i’m for it. i think most MBers probably are
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did this thread spawn from my Darwin costume???
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I’m for it, but I do believe God had something to do with it.
(Anyone against it, please say somethng, this isn’t a very good conversation yet)
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Not a very lively conversation, maybe, but instructive in its way. I suspect that most people who strongly object to evolutionary thinking wouldn’t like Muse very much. (Whenever the magazine writes about evolutionary biology, dozens of people–parents, mostly–write in to cancel their subscriptions.) So it’s not surprising that most Musebloggers are comfortable with evolutionary ideas. You’re a self-selecting group.
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There’s no evidence, and I say this as a religious person, to the effect that god created the univ erse in 7 days or whatever. I’m not saying that there isn’t a higher power responsible on some level, but that is religion, not science. Science is what we teach in schools. Religion is not. Intelligent design in school, although it doesn’t specify a religion, is still religious and so in violation of the first amendment.
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I had a really funny idea once, and this seems like a good place to post it.
It’s about evolution, or rather, lack of evolution.
I’m a big fan of ‘Lies and the Lying Liears Who Tell Them’
By Al Franken.
According to him, Bill O’Reily has a really short fuse, and is prone to screeching rants of profanity.
This reminds me of the personality of a male chimpanzee.
Here’s my idea for a goofy internet movie:
1. We open to a video of a screeching, ranting, hooting male chimp, giving a big display. This lasts for about 10 seconds.
2. We cut to a clip from The O-Reily Factor, which shows Bill shouting at an unknown person. This lasts for the same amount of time.
And Finally-
3. Digital technology places the ranting male chimp in the guests chair on The Factor, and Bill appears to be shouting at it.
Except that this time, Bill’s voice has been deleted, and the sound of another ranting, screaming, hooting male chimp, has been added in.
Sounds like a blast to me.
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…I guess I’m undecided. For some reason, it feels like I believe in both evolution and the Rede (Wiccan story of creation) equally.
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Can you believe those people that say that evolution exists on a small scale but not a large scale? I mean, we share like 97% of our dna with chimps, what more proof do you want? Also, ever seen the web site for one of those conservative(unspecified religion ’cause I don’t want to offend anyone) intelligent design sci fairs? V V V funny! They have projects like;
“Praying over Plants” and ” Why women were designed to do housework” with evidence like, since our center of gravity is lower, it’s easier for us to pick up things, eg laundry baskets. Total joke.
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I’m not quite sure I understand the argument against evolution, but whatever. I love those Jesus-fish-with-legs bumper stickers. They make me very happy.
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personally, i think its sad that people dont believe in it. it’s like relativity! i mean, its as close to proven as you get.there are examples!. and how could the world pssibly be 3000 years old? A question for #3-so, if god created humans, did he create them about 3000 years ago? and fake alot of evidence for their evolution?
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11- as the story (which i don’t necessarily agree with either) goes, it was actually 6 days
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14-xactly
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I believe? follow? acknowledge? evolution. but i think the zoroastrian creation story is pretty nifty.
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does anyone here not understand evolu tion or natural selection? i think we should get that out of the way early on.
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Evolution is teh pwn.
Intelligent design is teh bollocks.
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Has anyone ever read one of the darwin award books? The darwins are awards given to people who killed themselves in such a way as to be merited for removing themselves from the gene pool. Natural selection at its best.
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22- my dad likes to joke about giving out Darwin awards
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Evolution is yay.
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22-rofl
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sry for my ignorance:
is there any “evidence” for creation besides different religous texts (not that these dont nessicaryily count but…)
Oh, yeah. Evolution. Evolution did happen, but if Darwin hadn’t been such a DIRP, Wallace would have gotten the credit. Which is how it should be. I’m not going to say the Royal S. people are WOMBATS. That’s obvious. Wallace had to work for a living-that was his only fault. And anyway, Erasmus Darwin was really mean to Gregor Mendel, and that’s not nice!
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21-i think it’d be teh pwnage but i’m not sure…1337 grammar (what there is of it) is really messed
yes, ok, i did read the whole wiki article on 1337. I was really bored, ok? lol
as for the actual topic of the thread, idk i guess you can’t really say there’s evolution for animals and not people, so i guess i do believe in evolution. i’m not exactly sure…i don’t know too much about the subject for one thing, and i don’t think of it too often either. but i don’t think it’s really important anyway, however we got here, we’re here.
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It’s kind of interesting to me the way so many people are like “evolution pwns” and “I’m all for it” as if it were a political idealogy or something.
It’s not.
It’s a scientific theory that you either do or do not believe.
Let’s not turn it into some type of ribbon we wear on our sleeves or whatever the expression is.
As far as my own opinion goes, I think it’s a crazy interesting concept. I love the logic it follows.
Meh… los verbos irregulares de espanol call me away from my beloved Museblog…
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um… anyone disagree with evolution?
because otherwise, we might as well shut this thread down.
*is thread-pooper*
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i think evolution is pluasible, so y not???????? It works doesent it?
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Just to liven up this conversation, what arguments against evolution have you heard?
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#16: Evolution HAS been proven in a lot of cases….even though I shouldn’t say proven. For all purposes the words proven and science can never be put together in any way, shape, and form.
When it says 6 days, that could be completely symbolic. Could stand for 6 million years, for all we know.
But God said he created Man after His own image, and hey. He’s got the final word-He WAS the mastermind behind the whole operation.
There. That’s what I think.
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There is no proof for intelligent design other than religious texts. What it is is a bunch of christian fundamentalists making the bible sound sort of scientific and trying to get it taught as an alternative to the theory accepted by scientists worldwide as the true explanation.
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i don’t believe god looks like a man. or a woman. or anything tangible.
your rebuttal, sil vous plait.
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I think Evolution should be taught in schools, but also the theory and proof for creationism so kids can make up their own minds
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Some people think that that the world is too complex to have evolved. I don’t.
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16- there are many people who believe that the creation story can be interpereted to mean a much longer time & fit in with evolution.
37- There is no proof for creationism
38- When you study things really in-depth, like the human body, it is so complex that sometimes you can understand why some people think we cannot have evolved. Think about it, our bodies perform a million different tasks each second. But if you take it one step at a time, from an elemental to botanical to bacterial to simple-multicelled organisms, etc. you can see how it works.
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37-do you mean that sarcastically? if not, refer to number 39.
if you disagree with number 39, please state proof for creationism.(beyond religious texts that humans probably made up)
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ok, so since most of us seem to have some amout of belif in it. here are sme other DNA interesting things.
Only about 3-4% of your DNA actually codes for genes
The rest of it codes for things that we don’t quite understand, like making DNA replicate and may inhance or suppress genes. Some of it even seems to be ancien parasitic DNA or somthing.
Because there arre 4 bases then for every livng creature on this planet you are definitly likley (even if there was absolutly no realtion at all at all) to share at leat 25% of your DNA with them. Do you feel closer to your intestinal bacteria yet?
Of the genes that you do have, you share about a third of them with nematodes.
wow. I find the whole subjest facinating.
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37: maybe in private schools, if they WANT to. In public schools, it would be a violation of the first amendment.
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10- Woah, really? *mutters darkly*
Evolution, natural selection, YES! That about sums it up.
Actually, I was thinking the other day….okay, you know how parents want to approve of a person you are dating? Isn’t that like taking natural selection to a whole new level? I think so. Just thought I’d say that.
22- *dies laughing*
37- I don’t think that would be very pracical. Considering the manymanymany different creation myths. It would take to long to cover them all. Besides, the only proof offered is in really old books that have been translated and copied so many times that I doubt the original message would still be intact. In all, there is no proof. Just heresay. Not to mention that biology is mostly based on the evolution theory. It’s the best we have
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all that intelligent desing and creatonism is is the bible given a twist to make it sound scientific. It’s the equal of teaching the stork theory in sex education. (btw, that’s not mine, it’s from the guardian weekly)
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i am with the whole stmbolic biblical group people. a day to god and a day to us are to entirly different things. thats why god id god and we are us.
so i believe in intellagent evolution! i.e. god controlled and directeded evolution. and i am not just saying that so i don’t have to take sides. thats really what i believe.
2- in one of the HG2TG books, it talks about how arthur wasn’t decended from apes, but rather froom beings from another planet,
as far as natural selection. in humans that has virtually stopped. it is no longer survival of the fittest, but survival of the richest. exit large brained ape and enter paris hilton. I am so moving to pluto when i grow up.
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45- It’s resturant(2nd book). The beings were useless/annoying Golgafrinchans.
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-people are a species of animals, so saying only animals evolved, not people, doesn’t necessarily make sense.
-idontkno, evolution makes sense to me…
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ok so i believe in evolution, but there seem to be about 50 billion people who want creation taught in a public school.that seems a little bit unfair against the athiests etc….
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Okay, so has anyone here besides me read the judge’s summary thingy from the Dover, Pennsilvania (think it was there) intelligent design trials? Basically it said that intelligent design is inherintly religious and thus is not science. It’s really interesting- it’s 137 or so pages and the first 20 pages where they’re mostly talking about the defendent-so-and-so does such-and-such because of this and that are a bit slow, but then after that, when you get past all the formalities into the main body of the thing, it’s fairly fast reading. Some day when I get time I’m going to read the transcripts of the trials- apparently there was a whole lot of good evidence for evolution (the New Yorker called it “the biology class you wished you had taken”).. For those who don’t know, I live in a fairly conservative part of Texas, deep in the “Bible belt”, and so I’ve met a whole lot of intelligent people who think that evolution is false, and contrary to all reason, so I’ve sort of thought about it a whole lot.. I think that what most people get hung up about is species changing to other species.
We had a whole debate on this on one of the Hot Topic threads from when MG was still here..
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i just dont think that its possible that someone could create the world in 7 days. evolution sounds so much more probable!
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Has anyone ever considered how evolution will progress in the future? I think Muse did an issue on it once, but I only subscribed two years ago or so, so I missed that one.
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10- That sucks. I hate it when parents- no, all people- get their overly-orthodox bloomers in a wad when children decide that they can be independent thinkers! Just because there’s a risk that the kids might differentiate from your beliefs, or might be smarter than you, doesn’t mean that you have to quash their attempt at individual thinking!
14- “Why Women Were Designed to Do Housework”? Sounds just a smidge misogynistic to me.
30- I agree with the Skipper. Evolution is a theory, not a bandwagon technique.
Okay, why do so many people get hung up on the evolution debate? It’s a freakin’ THEORY. Like their own creation THEORIES. All we know started with a theory, I can guarantee you this, and you don’t see people obsessing over windows are really glass or solidified air. Change is a part of life, so ergonomically, it applies to everything pertaining to life, even “facts”. The problem here is that people don’t want to change.
That might not have made any sense whatsoever.
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well, just think of it this way:
evolution is a theory, just like gravity is a theory. you may not believe in it, but it still holds you on the surface of the earth.
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(52) Very good point Gwendolyn. Even if you don’t believe Evolution, there’s no reason to be opposed to it being tought in schools, the same way, even though we aren’t all Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, we still learn about those religions in school. It’s a theory; take it or leave it.
To me, Intelligent Design doesn’t seem like a true scientific theory. A scientific theory proposes a question and provides
a)a possible answer to the question b)physical evidence to back up the answer and c) more questions to ask.
Intelligent design has the question, and a bit of an answer, but beyond that, not so much. It just says “God created the Universe, and beyond that you have to have faith and not need anymore information. You don’t need to know HOW God made the Universe, nor WHO he is, nor WHY he did it, not WHERE he came from in the first place”
All of these are questions that I would like the defenders of Intelligent Design to answer. And if they say “you can’t ask that question”, then it isn’t a scientific theory, because in science, there are no forbidden questions.
The biggest arguement against evolution is that life is too complex for it to be possible. But I think this argument has it backwards. The reason life is so complex is BECAUSE of evolution. I mean, if we had all been created by some intelligent being, things wouldn’t be so mind-bogglingly complicated, would they? They would actually MAKE SENSE. They would follow some kind of logical, INTELLIGENT pattern, they would be simple and reliable.
Think about it: have you guys seen March of the Penguins?
Anwer me this: does any of that make any sense? They march back forth, year after year, jillions of times, half of them dying, and for what? For nothing! Nothing else lives there! They just exist, living off of extremely harsh environment. If the world were designed by an intelligent being, they would probably have a system that actually made sense. Their would be some reason for all that, some method to that madness. But there isn’t; that’s because it happened randomly.
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36- I agree. for me God is the love and caring between the creatures of this planet.
44- thank you for backing up your ideas. I love to hear them, I just don’t like emotions force fed to me without back up. You used to just put what you believed out there. now you seem to be taking more time and thinking about what you say. this makes me happy^_^
45- yay! let’s go to pluto!
54- yes, I agree about the march of the penguins point. I’ve seent that movie!^_^
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evolution may be only a theory, but it’s constantly being proven right with every new scientific find.
There shouldn’t even be a debate. Intelligent design is pure religious dogma trying to sound scientific and (as I said before) the equivalent of teaching the Stork Theory in sex ed.
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46-No, it isn’t Restaurant At The End of The Universe. It isn’t until Mostly Harmless that Ford and Arthur were stuck on prehistoric Earth, attempting to save the cavemen from the Golgafrinchams, and get off by way of a Chesterfield sofa. I’m the Blog’s Douglas Adams Expert. It’s official-Skipper Nancy said so. Isn’t that right, cap’n?
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Yes, but it’s in resturant that they first land on prehistoric earth with the golgafrinchans and are faced with the fact that Arthur has to have evolved from the golgafrinchams because the cavemen are dying out. I have a copy sitting right here from 1980.
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Anyone ever heard of the Scopes Monkey trial?
My mom’s computer WILL NOT DO UMLAUTS! AUGGHHH!!!
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48- Indeed. In Newsweek, a few weeks ago, there was an article about atheism and such. And how atheists seemed to be the minority everyone could hate. It’s rather true, too.
This probably belongs on the Hot Topics thread, but I think “under God” should be removed from the pledge and “In God We Trust” taken off money.
59- INDEED!! Gar. That’s so horrible, too.
52- I completely agree with the first part of your post!!! *clap*
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59: yes. stupid americans. (the daily show did an awesome coverage of that, and guess what: PEOPLE THERE STILL THINK LIKE THAT!!!)
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45-no offense, but my first thought to that is “you just think that because you think that you’re too good to be descended from apes.”
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62: she didn’t say that! she said that she thought god cotrolled evolution. There was no denial of our common ancestry.
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63- i thought it was implied, but if it wasnt, im sorry, i take it back
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62- Haha, yeah….
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(61-65 and others) This is like the hot topics thread – be careful what you say!
I think evolution was intelleegently degsined. It’s just so amazing to think about. Then again, this is someone who tried to degsin a perpetual motion machine talking. Stupid laaws of thermodynamics.
I’m all for it.
Yes! Evolution rox. Arthur Dent is an “ape descendent”
Enthusiasm, eh? I guess people aren’t home from school yet, or something.
I’m all for it except for humans.
Sure, why not?
That is either my reaction to
a) evolution in general b) an evolution thread c) a “groundswell of enthusiasm”
You decide.
Anyone completely against evolution? I’ve only seen people who are for it. (I’m for it too)
5) Not completely against it. There are basically two types of evolution– Micro-evolution and macro-evolution. Macro is quickly adapting, as in just one person, or in a few generations.
Micro is what most people mean when they talk about evolution.
I don’t like micro, but macro seems to be “true”
i’m for it. i think most MBers probably are
did this thread spawn from my Darwin costume???
I’m for it, but I do believe God had something to do with it.
(Anyone against it, please say somethng, this isn’t a very good conversation yet)
Not a very lively conversation, maybe, but instructive in its way. I suspect that most people who strongly object to evolutionary thinking wouldn’t like Muse very much. (Whenever the magazine writes about evolutionary biology, dozens of people–parents, mostly–write in to cancel their subscriptions.) So it’s not surprising that most Musebloggers are comfortable with evolutionary ideas. You’re a self-selecting group.
There’s no evidence, and I say this as a religious person, to the effect that god created the univ erse in 7 days or whatever. I’m not saying that there isn’t a higher power responsible on some level, but that is religion, not science. Science is what we teach in schools. Religion is not. Intelligent design in school, although it doesn’t specify a religion, is still religious and so in violation of the first amendment.
I had a really funny idea once, and this seems like a good place to post it.
It’s about evolution, or rather, lack of evolution.
I’m a big fan of ‘Lies and the Lying Liears Who Tell Them’
By Al Franken.
According to him, Bill O’Reily has a really short fuse, and is prone to screeching rants of profanity.
This reminds me of the personality of a male chimpanzee.
Here’s my idea for a goofy internet movie:
1. We open to a video of a screeching, ranting, hooting male chimp, giving a big display. This lasts for about 10 seconds.
2. We cut to a clip from The O-Reily Factor, which shows Bill shouting at an unknown person. This lasts for the same amount of time.
And Finally-
3. Digital technology places the ranting male chimp in the guests chair on The Factor, and Bill appears to be shouting at it.
Except that this time, Bill’s voice has been deleted, and the sound of another ranting, screaming, hooting male chimp, has been added in.
Sounds like a blast to me.
…I guess I’m undecided. For some reason, it feels like I believe in both evolution and the Rede (Wiccan story of creation) equally.
Can you believe those people that say that evolution exists on a small scale but not a large scale? I mean, we share like 97% of our dna with chimps, what more proof do you want? Also, ever seen the web site for one of those conservative(unspecified religion ’cause I don’t want to offend anyone) intelligent design sci fairs? V V V funny! They have projects like;
“Praying over Plants” and ” Why women were designed to do housework” with evidence like, since our center of gravity is lower, it’s easier for us to pick up things, eg laundry baskets. Total joke.
I’m not quite sure I understand the argument against evolution, but whatever. I love those Jesus-fish-with-legs bumper stickers. They make me very happy.
personally, i think its sad that people dont believe in it. it’s like relativity! i mean, its as close to proven as you get.there are examples!. and how could the world pssibly be 3000 years old? A question for #3-so, if god created humans, did he create them about 3000 years ago? and fake alot of evidence for their evolution?
11- as the story (which i don’t necessarily agree with either) goes, it was actually 6 days
14-xactly
I believe? follow? acknowledge? evolution. but i think the zoroastrian creation story is pretty nifty.
does anyone here not understand evolu tion or natural selection? i think we should get that out of the way early on.
Evolution is teh pwn.
Intelligent design is teh bollocks.
Has anyone ever read one of the darwin award books? The darwins are awards given to people who killed themselves in such a way as to be merited for removing themselves from the gene pool. Natural selection at its best.
22- my dad likes to joke about giving out Darwin awards
Evolution is yay.
22-rofl
sry for my ignorance:
is there any “evidence” for creation besides different religous texts (not that these dont nessicaryily count but…)
oh good, an evolution thread…
Oh-ay, ohhhohoho ay. Ohhhhhh ayyyyy.ooohhhhhhhh oh oh ay…
Ya na na na na na na na, ya na na na na….
Sorry. Victory song. Where was I?
Oh, yeah. Evolution. Evolution did happen, but if Darwin hadn’t been such a DIRP, Wallace would have gotten the credit. Which is how it should be. I’m not going to say the Royal S. people are WOMBATS. That’s obvious. Wallace had to work for a living-that was his only fault. And anyway, Erasmus Darwin was really mean to Gregor Mendel, and that’s not nice!
21-i think it’d be teh pwnage but i’m not sure…1337 grammar (what there is of it) is really messed
yes, ok, i did read the whole wiki article on 1337. I was really bored, ok? lol
as for the actual topic of the thread, idk i guess you can’t really say there’s evolution for animals and not people, so i guess i do believe in evolution. i’m not exactly sure…i don’t know too much about the subject for one thing, and i don’t think of it too often either. but i don’t think it’s really important anyway, however we got here, we’re here.
It’s kind of interesting to me the way so many people are like “evolution pwns” and “I’m all for it” as if it were a political idealogy or something.
It’s not.
It’s a scientific theory that you either do or do not believe.
Let’s not turn it into some type of ribbon we wear on our sleeves or whatever the expression is.
As far as my own opinion goes, I think it’s a crazy interesting concept. I love the logic it follows.
Meh… los verbos irregulares de espanol call me away from my beloved Museblog…
um… anyone disagree with evolution?
because otherwise, we might as well shut this thread down.
*is thread-pooper*
i think evolution is pluasible, so y not???????? It works doesent it?
Just to liven up this conversation, what arguments against evolution have you heard?
#16: Evolution HAS been proven in a lot of cases….even though I shouldn’t say proven. For all purposes the words proven and science can never be put together in any way, shape, and form.
When it says 6 days, that could be completely symbolic. Could stand for 6 million years, for all we know.
But God said he created Man after His own image, and hey. He’s got the final word-He WAS the mastermind behind the whole operation.
There. That’s what I think.
There is no proof for intelligent design other than religious texts. What it is is a bunch of christian fundamentalists making the bible sound sort of scientific and trying to get it taught as an alternative to the theory accepted by scientists worldwide as the true explanation.
i don’t believe god looks like a man. or a woman. or anything tangible.
your rebuttal, sil vous plait.
I think Evolution should be taught in schools, but also the theory and proof for creationism so kids can make up their own minds
Some people think that that the world is too complex to have evolved. I don’t.
16- there are many people who believe that the creation story can be interpereted to mean a much longer time & fit in with evolution.
37- There is no proof for creationism
38- When you study things really in-depth, like the human body, it is so complex that sometimes you can understand why some people think we cannot have evolved. Think about it, our bodies perform a million different tasks each second. But if you take it one step at a time, from an elemental to botanical to bacterial to simple-multicelled organisms, etc. you can see how it works.
37-do you mean that sarcastically? if not, refer to number 39.
if you disagree with number 39, please state proof for creationism.(beyond religious texts that humans probably made up)
ok, so since most of us seem to have some amout of belif in it. here are sme other DNA interesting things.
Only about 3-4% of your DNA actually codes for genes
The rest of it codes for things that we don’t quite understand, like making DNA replicate and may inhance or suppress genes. Some of it even seems to be ancien parasitic DNA or somthing.
Because there arre 4 bases then for every livng creature on this planet you are definitly likley (even if there was absolutly no realtion at all at all) to share at leat 25% of your DNA with them. Do you feel closer to your intestinal bacteria yet?
Of the genes that you do have, you share about a third of them with nematodes.
wow. I find the whole subjest facinating.
37: maybe in private schools, if they WANT to. In public schools, it would be a violation of the first amendment.
10- Woah, really? *mutters darkly*
Evolution, natural selection, YES! That about sums it up.
Actually, I was thinking the other day….okay, you know how parents want to approve of a person you are dating? Isn’t that like taking natural selection to a whole new level? I think so. Just thought I’d say that.
22- *dies laughing*
37- I don’t think that would be very pracical. Considering the manymanymany different creation myths. It would take to long to cover them all. Besides, the only proof offered is in really old books that have been translated and copied so many times that I doubt the original message would still be intact. In all, there is no proof. Just heresay. Not to mention that biology is mostly based on the evolution theory. It’s the best we have
all that intelligent desing and creatonism is is the bible given a twist to make it sound scientific. It’s the equal of teaching the stork theory in sex education. (btw, that’s not mine, it’s from the guardian weekly)
i am with the whole stmbolic biblical group people. a day to god and a day to us are to entirly different things. thats why god id god and we are us.
so i believe in intellagent evolution! i.e. god controlled and directeded evolution. and i am not just saying that so i don’t have to take sides. thats really what i believe.
2- in one of the HG2TG books, it talks about how arthur wasn’t decended from apes, but rather froom beings from another planet,
as far as natural selection. in humans that has virtually stopped. it is no longer survival of the fittest, but survival of the richest. exit large brained ape and enter paris hilton. I am so moving to pluto when i grow up.
45- It’s resturant(2nd book). The beings were useless/annoying Golgafrinchans.
-people are a species of animals, so saying only animals evolved, not people, doesn’t necessarily make sense.
-idontkno, evolution makes sense to me…
ok so i believe in evolution, but there seem to be about 50 billion people who want creation taught in a public school.that seems a little bit unfair against the athiests etc….
Okay, so has anyone here besides me read the judge’s summary thingy from the Dover, Pennsilvania (think it was there) intelligent design trials? Basically it said that intelligent design is inherintly religious and thus is not science. It’s really interesting- it’s 137 or so pages and the first 20 pages where they’re mostly talking about the defendent-so-and-so does such-and-such because of this and that are a bit slow, but then after that, when you get past all the formalities into the main body of the thing, it’s fairly fast reading. Some day when I get time I’m going to read the transcripts of the trials- apparently there was a whole lot of good evidence for evolution (the New Yorker called it “the biology class you wished you had taken”).. For those who don’t know, I live in a fairly conservative part of Texas, deep in the “Bible belt”, and so I’ve met a whole lot of intelligent people who think that evolution is false, and contrary to all reason, so I’ve sort of thought about it a whole lot.. I think that what most people get hung up about is species changing to other species.
We had a whole debate on this on one of the Hot Topic threads from when MG was still here..
i just dont think that its possible that someone could create the world in 7 days. evolution sounds so much more probable!
Has anyone ever considered how evolution will progress in the future? I think Muse did an issue on it once, but I only subscribed two years ago or so, so I missed that one.
10- That sucks. I hate it when parents- no, all people- get their overly-orthodox bloomers in a wad when children decide that they can be independent thinkers! Just because there’s a risk that the kids might differentiate from your beliefs, or might be smarter than you, doesn’t mean that you have to quash their attempt at individual thinking!
14- “Why Women Were Designed to Do Housework”? Sounds just a smidge misogynistic to me.
30- I agree with the Skipper. Evolution is a theory, not a bandwagon technique.
Okay, why do so many people get hung up on the evolution debate? It’s a freakin’ THEORY. Like their own creation THEORIES. All we know started with a theory, I can guarantee you this, and you don’t see people obsessing over windows are really glass or solidified air. Change is a part of life, so ergonomically, it applies to everything pertaining to life, even “facts”. The problem here is that people don’t want to change.
That might not have made any sense whatsoever.
well, just think of it this way:
evolution is a theory, just like gravity is a theory. you may not believe in it, but it still holds you on the surface of the earth.
(52) Very good point Gwendolyn. Even if you don’t believe Evolution, there’s no reason to be opposed to it being tought in schools, the same way, even though we aren’t all Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, we still learn about those religions in school. It’s a theory; take it or leave it.
To me, Intelligent Design doesn’t seem like a true scientific theory. A scientific theory proposes a question and provides
a)a possible answer to the question b)physical evidence to back up the answer and c) more questions to ask.
Intelligent design has the question, and a bit of an answer, but beyond that, not so much. It just says “God created the Universe, and beyond that you have to have faith and not need anymore information. You don’t need to know HOW God made the Universe, nor WHO he is, nor WHY he did it, not WHERE he came from in the first place”
All of these are questions that I would like the defenders of Intelligent Design to answer. And if they say “you can’t ask that question”, then it isn’t a scientific theory, because in science, there are no forbidden questions.
The biggest arguement against evolution is that life is too complex for it to be possible. But I think this argument has it backwards. The reason life is so complex is BECAUSE of evolution. I mean, if we had all been created by some intelligent being, things wouldn’t be so mind-bogglingly complicated, would they? They would actually MAKE SENSE. They would follow some kind of logical, INTELLIGENT pattern, they would be simple and reliable.
Think about it: have you guys seen March of the Penguins?
Anwer me this: does any of that make any sense? They march back forth, year after year, jillions of times, half of them dying, and for what? For nothing! Nothing else lives there! They just exist, living off of extremely harsh environment. If the world were designed by an intelligent being, they would probably have a system that actually made sense. Their would be some reason for all that, some method to that madness. But there isn’t; that’s because it happened randomly.
36- I agree. for me God is the love and caring between the creatures of this planet.
44- thank you for backing up your ideas. I love to hear them, I just don’t like emotions force fed to me without back up. You used to just put what you believed out there. now you seem to be taking more time and thinking about what you say. this makes me happy^_^
45- yay! let’s go to pluto!
54- yes, I agree about the march of the penguins point. I’ve seent that movie!^_^
evolution may be only a theory, but it’s constantly being proven right with every new scientific find.
There shouldn’t even be a debate. Intelligent design is pure religious dogma trying to sound scientific and (as I said before) the equivalent of teaching the Stork Theory in sex ed.
46-No, it isn’t Restaurant At The End of The Universe. It isn’t until Mostly Harmless that Ford and Arthur were stuck on prehistoric Earth, attempting to save the cavemen from the Golgafrinchams, and get off by way of a Chesterfield sofa. I’m the Blog’s Douglas Adams Expert. It’s official-Skipper Nancy said so. Isn’t that right, cap’n?
Yes, but it’s in resturant that they first land on prehistoric earth with the golgafrinchans and are faced with the fact that Arthur has to have evolved from the golgafrinchams because the cavemen are dying out. I have a copy sitting right here from 1980.
Anyone ever heard of the Scopes Monkey trial?
My mom’s computer WILL NOT DO UMLAUTS! AUGGHHH!!!
48- Indeed. In Newsweek, a few weeks ago, there was an article about atheism and such. And how atheists seemed to be the minority everyone could hate. It’s rather true, too.
This probably belongs on the Hot Topics thread, but I think “under God” should be removed from the pledge and “In God We Trust” taken off money.
59- INDEED!! Gar. That’s so horrible, too.
52- I completely agree with the first part of your post!!! *clap*
59: yes. stupid americans.
(the daily show did an awesome coverage of that, and guess what: PEOPLE THERE STILL THINK LIKE THAT!!!)
45-no offense, but my first thought to that is “you just think that because you think that you’re too good to be descended from apes.”
62: she didn’t say that! she said that she thought god cotrolled evolution. There was no denial of our common ancestry.
63- i thought it was implied, but if it wasnt, im sorry, i take it back
62- Haha, yeah….
(61-65 and others) This is like the hot topics thread – be careful what you say!
I think evolution was intelleegently degsined. It’s just so amazing to think about. Then again, this is someone who tried to degsin a perpetual motion machine talking. Stupid laaws of thermodynamics.