Continued from the 2007 edition.
The List:
Muslim: FantasyFan?!?!
Jewish: Sphinx, Quintessentia, hypermoocow, FairyDragon
Reform: yellowsharpiemarker, Sobriquet, Cliff Eagle Teh Pwnage
Reconstructionist: Kiki The Great, Anata~ChinTsu
Conservative: Copper Bigfoot, Brave Sir Robin, Zyviva, The Insane Blue Sage, RainbowFish
Orthodox: Phoenix, Jessie, groundhog22
Jewish Atheist: Lizzie, emmatheduck, speller73
Christian: Vendaval, Donaldo, MontgomeryGurl, Ninja For Christ, Eccentric the Afterthought, Lady Cinnamon Moon, IBCF, muselover
Lutheran: Queen-o-random, Capricious
Catholic: Kiara, Romana2, Ebeth, davidude, Piggy the Proud Catholic, Tumsymonster
Eastern Orthodox: Sunrunner Bramblewood, Dotty ‘Kay
Quaker: Zallie, Red Tailed HAWK, Liesolotte, Purple Panda, Taiwan Hippo Fan
Protestant: book_addict, VanZepplin, Otzi, Kagcomix
Mormon (LDS): Skwerl Overlord, Veralidaine, Zyka
Methodist: grnqween2011, bibliorose
Presbyterian: Elizabeth, gimanator, Kari
Baptist: jammin j
UCC:The Man For Aeiou
Catholic by birth, unsure now: Beavo, Kokonilly
Catholic plus Jewish holidays: Gaea
Hindu: ♥ shriya siolashrwa jeffica ♥
Buddhist: 100% cotton
Agnostic: Sweet Melpomene, curious and questioning, SupremeMuser2000, Lady Visala of Reverie, Gwendolyn, Alice (?), POSOC
Wiccan: emogrl, FairyDragon
Mixed Bag of Random Beliefs: Pentatonikk, Unintended Pun, Gwendolyn of the Eastern Seas, Otzi, Axa, elassë~adael, curious and questioning, Musketeer Number, Sweet Melpomene, Drops of Jupiter
Druid Reconstructionist: Millie
Atheist: Skipper Nancy, johnkerry, Purple Panda, Taiwan Hippo Fan, Darth Yoda, Lizzie, penguini, violindino, Yup, Bobbyjkl, First Sorceress, Shadowkat, curious and questioning, Potato Chip, Cat’s Meow, C++darkmage, Drops of Jupiter, La Mort, nerdz_r00l, The Bookworm
Spiritual Atheist: The Bev, Harmony with short red hair
Radical Atheist: Queenie J, Drops of Jupiter, dark duke of darkness, agagabagabag
Happy Atheist: philosophical.bunny
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM): Necromancer, Vixen in the Eyes of the Moon
Asatruar: Frigid Symphony
Green Cow: curious and questioning
The Church of the Carrot: emmatheduck, Unintended Pun, NerdAndProudOf It, Beatlesrockr
Very Confused: lifewithoutsuffering
Graeco-agnosticism: /gradster(1)/
Non-practicing Believer of Subwayism: Faye Beauchamp
Dumr-Sirism/Jedi (on Earth): KaiYves
Unitarian Universalist: Logogeo96
First post!
I like talking about religion but I’ll leave this thread if we get to flaming.
I don’t really know what religion I am. I believe in a lot of Wiccan things and celebrate their holidays but I also believe in a lot of other religions.
You believe in a lot of Wiccan things? Like what?
If anyone is doing a religion list, Put me down for Christian (UCC).
I would like it if we could not get around to flaming, instead talk about our Different Religions.
i dunno. im not religious but i believe in ghosts and sorta believe in reincarnation.
2-I believe in natural healing like herbs and stones and stuff, chakras, astral travel, and astrology. The thing is that I also believe in science and it is hard for me right now to sort out what I feel is true to me. I know that there is no science to prove any beliefs wrong, but there is also no science to prove any right.
What is Unitarian Universalism? I’ve heard a lot about it being very acceptant of differences, and on the Belief-o-meter I get high scores for it, but I don’t really know what it is other than acceptance.
l dunno. People complain about flaming, but if religion wasn’t made up, people wouldn’t argue about it. It seems kinda… l dunno.
Here’s the Religions list from the old thread.
[I’ve moved the list to the top of the page. It’ll be easier for you to find and for me to edit. This way the thread won’t get so long from repeated copying as changes are made. –Rebecca]
Please tell me if I’ve got anything wrong.
7- l’m a radical atheist.
6- I would be under Christian and sub heading, UCC.
[Done. And agagabagabag, too. –Admin.]
6-Yeah. I wish people wouldn’t argue though. I like to know what other people belive without anyone getting mean.
The only thing I don’t like about some religions is when people use a religion as an excuse for violence either against people who don’t share their religion or against people of another religion. If all the religious people did what their religion says to do and all the non-religious people were kind to each other everything would be fine.
8, 9- Oh dear, I can’t seem to get anything right. Thanks, GAPAs!
5- I put you under “mixed bag of random beliefs.” Is that all right with you?
(11) You did fine, IBCF. That list has had a long history of changes and refinements.
ohhhhhh! Why did you have to bring this up????? It’s ok but, I guess you could say I follow John Lennon……… a little. I mean I don’t argue with anybody, I just do what my mom tells me to do, and then I also control myself. If I want to eat with my left hand I’LL DO IT! If I wanna eat beef, I’LL DO IT (I would never though, because I’m vegetarian, and that’s not a religion!) And if I want to buy something big on a Saturday (like a car or house) I’LL DO IT!!!!!!
What’s “The Church of the Carrot”?
?????? I have no idea.
IBCF (14): Here’s the origin:
114. Rebecca Lasley (Administrator) �|� October 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
(113) No one is expected to believe it. Reminds me of some friends in high school who formed a religion around a carrot.
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115. emmatheduck �|� October 20th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
114-OMG seriously? I LOVE carrots! What was the religion called? What did they do? Was it a specific carrot, or carrots in general? Did they have to stop eating carrots? Can I convert?
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116. Rebecca Lasley (Administrator) �|� October 20th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
(115) Carrots in general, I believe. Because carrots pointed the way. I don’t remember many other details, though I vividly recall the poster in the band hall and the photo in the yearbook. Admittedly, the photo is tucked into the back pages and bears no caption. Non-initiates may have wondered.
I’m sure the original adherents would be delighted if a new generation wanted to take the baton, uh, root, and run with it. It’s also true there aren’t enough religions or philosophies founded by someone named Zip.
As for whether ingestion of carrots should be encouraged or taboo, I suppose that would depend upon one’s
personal preferencestheoretical interpretations.122. emmatheduck �|� October 21st, 2007 at 11:05 am
116-Ok, I’m converting! I’m still eating carrots though. I could never give up eating carrots.
123. Rebecca Lasley (Administrator) �|� October 21st, 2007 at 11:39 am
(122) That works — turn carrot eating into a ritual, partake of the essence, enrich the world with beta-carotene….
124. emmatheduck �|� October 21st, 2007 at 8:50 pm
123-I already do. I believe that it was carrots that helped me through the spelling bee, and have worshipped them ever since.
125. Prarilius Canix who cannot WAIT for NaNoWriMo to begin in 11 days �|� October 21st, 2007 at 9:59 pm
The Church of the Carrot. I like it.
But I won’t be converting anytime soon.
oh wait…… your origin is much more better than mine, and yours is right, but maybe it’s the origin of well think WHAT EATS CARROTS??????? HOT PINK BUNNIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m Christian, Presbyterian to be exact.
I used to go to church every Sunday, but we don’t anymore for some reason. I think it’s because we are so busy.
WOW! Put me under The Church of the Carrot, please.
I’m half way throught The God Delusion. It was on the New York Times Bests eller list for almost a year.
is CoftheC like FSM? waht about Green cow? like FSM?
Belief-o-meter results:
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Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)-YES!
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Liberal Quakers (85%)- good
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Unitarian Universalism (76%)- good
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (67%)- thought that this would be lower
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Orthodox Quaker (67%)- difference between this and liberal Quakers?
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Neo-Pagan (67%)- hmm.
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Bahá’à Faith (64%)-this is…?
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Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (60%)-ugh.
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Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (58%)-well.
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Reform Judaism (56%)- maybe a bit higher?
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New Age (56%)- this is higher then i thought.
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Jehovah’s Witness (55%)- yeah.
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Mahayana Buddhism (51%)- good.
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Sikhism (50%)-50%, nice round number.
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New Thought (49%)-hmm.
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Secular Humanism (47%)- good.
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Seventh Day Adventist (47%)- this is to high!
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Eastern Orthodox (45%)- huh.
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Roman Catholic (45%)- lower, go lower.
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Theravada Buddhism (44%)-hmm.
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Hinduism (42%)-hmm.
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Taoism (41%)-hmm.
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Orthodox Judaism (41%)-higher, go higher!
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Scientology (40%)-lower, go lower!
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Jainism (36%)- don’t know.
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Islam (31%)-might a bit higher?
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Nontheist (22%)-wow.
I’m actually Orthodox Jewish. Guess I didn’t mention that before.
I’m Jedi.
(That’s a joke. A few years back in the UK, people got mad that they had to put their religion on census forms, so they wrote “Jedi Knight”.)
I’m conservative jewish.
There seem to be lots of jewish people… *oddness*
(23) Ha that’s funny…. Oh wait no that’s not funny it’s HILARIOUS!!!
23- that’s making a comeback, as a real thing. I heard about ti on NPR last night.
I want to be in the Church of the Carrot!
I am Jewish-Reform, btw…
Guess what I am!!!! ^_^
I’m aethiest, but I still like hearing about other religions.
“I don’t know what God is, but I know what he’s not.”
I typically say I’m an atheist when I’m asked, but that’s not entirely true. I’m not exactly agnostic either. I know quite a bit about the big five religions, and none of them (except parts of Buddhism) really speak to me. I don’t believe in a conscious supreme being, or at least not one that’s comprehendable by humans. I feel like something’s there…
You tell me.
31- Make your own?
One thing a person needs to be careful of is to never in their efforts to get away from religious bigotry become a bigot themselves. And of course you don’t want to be the former in the first place…
I don’t believe in a conscious supreme being, or at least not one that’s comprehendable by humans
Exactly how I feel.
Religion is psychological, I think. It’s fascinating.
29- You worship the Beatles?
I’m pretty atheist.
I don’t know what happy atheist is, but I guess I’m a radical one. But I am pretty happy, so… I don’t know.
I’m a Christian and PROUD OF IT!
Kai-yeah I worship them a ton!!! I also worship John Lennon ^_^
32-NO! That is WRONG to do.
36-Please also include that thing in the next Religion post.
I’m also not really any denomination.
I’ll repost post 13, now think where I’m put.
ohhhhhh! Why did you have to bring this up????? It’s ok but, I guess you could say I follow John Lennon……… a little. I mean I don’t argue with anybody, I just do what my mom tells me to do, and then I also control myself. If I want to eat with my left hand I’LL DO IT! If I wanna eat beef, I’LL DO IT (I would never though, because I’m vegetarian, and that’s not a religion!) And if I want to buy something big on a Saturday (like a car or house) I’LL DO IT!!!!!!
I like carrots a lot though, my dad cut 4 carrots, all gone in two seconds, the ranch still sitting on the table!!!
38- why? three of the religions on the list are made up!
Muselover-Hi! Are you new? If so *pies*. Please try to make one long post instead of a lot of little ones. It helps the blog go faster when the GAPAs don’t have to moderate as many posts.
I read about Jain Buddhism (Jainism) online. It is really strict and I really admire the followers for their willpower. The most strict ones have to be completely vegan, and can only eat food that does not hurt the plant (like eating only apples that have already fallen). They also carry brooms and sweep the road in front of them while they walk so they don’t step on bugs, and wear cloth over their mouth to avoid inhaling any bugs. It would be really great to live like that but in America it would be a hindrance and very difficult to get food that you know was allowed.
I have been on here for about a year. Just so it can be long: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!
42- So are all religions.
43- I admire them, but I am completely mad. It’s like science! people wanna make up things so they understand the world!!!!( not saying I hate science I love it!) The people wanna be free! Somewhere in their hearts they ask, WHY AM I DOING THIS??? We don’t have to be like other people!
46- Uh, science isn’t made up. That’s the idea.
36- Why?
l shall re-post this.
People say that the bible is up for interpretation, but according to the bible:
“For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. LIkewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful and recieving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due”
-Jammin’ J, quotin’ the bible, post 27.
How is this up for interpretation?
(These are just my theories, from what I have heard from random people, but as an Atheist saying this.) Don’t take any of this personally, I’m just typing up how it probably feels to have a religion, and how feels to be an Atheist, and my own opinion on Religion and Religions.
Ok, I think I’m ready…
Do you know how you might feel sorry for someone believing in the wrong religion, and you might think that they are silly, and the more passionate about it, the sillier they might seem to you, even though it’s a bit rude to laugh? Maybe even mean? Now imagine if there were way more of this sillier religion than yours, which, of course, is perfect, but there are even more goofier religions than yours? And now you start thinking, well, that’s a nice way of putting things, but I don’t think it’s like that… That’s probably how everyone thinks about other religions, while someone else is thinking about the ridiculousness of your religion. Now imagine that you can quit your religion, and, theoretically, laugh on how dumb your old one was, but think about how perfect your new one is. Now imagine if you could quit all religions and laugh at all of them. That’s probably how it feels to have a religion, convert religions, and be Atheist, which I am. And, 46,in science, once you make things up, you must prove them.
There’s my opinions. Please comment, and see ya for a while. (As it is only 7:43, I must dine! RAMEN!!)
^well said!
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.â€
-Stephen Roberts.
how can Taiwan Hippo Fan be a Christian Atheist? Oh, and in 8th grade science at school, the teacher let us go back to the classroom early, and we talked about relegion. I was out-numbered.
I think I’m an agnostic. Anything spiritual (except for actual spirits) has much the same effect on me as anything romantic or otherwise deeply emotional, which is to make me mildly to extremely uncomfortable, so I just leave all those thoughts alone. When I do think about, I can’t really wrap my mind around it, so I end up leaving it alone anyway. Although I expect my inability to concentrate has something to do with the fact that it bedtime.
erm…athiest for me.
I’d like to be listed as “very confused”
My actual religion is practiced on my homeworld and is unknown on Earth.
But one of the tenants is to respect everyone else’s.
(47) that’s what you think, what if neurons are actually atoms that electrocute things so the electric current then tells the things to do stuff? What if, atoms are not the smallest things? what if we are wrong about light, maybe it’s the slowest thing and it’ so slow that it’s fast???? I four minds are so unknown, how come we have them????? Why can’t we go back in time???? What if light bulbs are actually energized by magyk, and no one really knows what does???????? all these answers unknown!!!! I still love science, I like studying animals, like biology and behavioral stuff, and genes.
About the science being real or not: Science is proven to the best of our ability, and it is probably true but there may be exceptions.
55-“what if light bulbs are actually energized by magic?” Well then that would have to mean that the people who make them and the electricity that powers them is magic. I’m not saying it can’t be magic, but it’s highly improbable that there is that much magic in the world.
I think that people put too much emphasis on groups and names and words. Most religions have the same basic beliefs of respect, love, and worship. Some people say that other religions are false because they have different names and different symbols for their gods. I think that it doesn’t matter how many gods someone thinks there are or what they call them, or even if someone believes in a higher power. There is too much focus on BELIEVING the right thing, when the focus should be on DOING the right thing.
53-Thanks!
38-Excuse me?
We were talking about how little religious prejudice there is in our community in school today. I strongly disagree. An amazing number of people think that a Muslim is a terrorist who lives in a tent, rides a camel, and has multiple wives.
I truly, incredibly, extremely hate living in America. Here are the reasons:
I hate getting information from the American media.
I hate being associated with the American stereotype.
They call that strange variation of rugby “football” That’s not football!
The majority of Americans hate football.
Our entire culture is so materialistic and success based, it sickens me. :p
I guess I kind of got sidetracked. Sorry.
I am a Christian and not ashamed of it.
50~ She’s both Quaker and Athiest on the list, which leads me to believe that either she changed, or the Quaker bit is cultural, like Jewish Atheist.
38~ What?!?
My theory about religion, from the previous thread (reworded to be clearer):
In my opinion, religion is an outdated concept. Originally, religion was used to explain natural phenomena (i.e. Greek mythology). Now science can do the same thing, and has facts to support it. My theory on modern religion is that it is a way for people to rationalize death. People are naturally scared of death, and they want a way to erase that fear. How is this done? By creating a set of rules and beliefs that one has to follow. If these rules and beliefs are followed, then, supposedly, something good will happen after you die.
More to follow later…. I’m having trouble thinking right now…
57- Yes, and many people are talking about how they are unprejudiced and doing the tomahawk chop and painting their faces red at sports games.
56- I agree completely. I still don’t understand how Christianity can be a religion of love and peace and still get away with 95% of the genocides that happened in the name of their religion. (Except for teh Quakers, of course, they are the true ideal of Christianity IMHO). If any christian can tell me why they beleive in this hypocritical religion, they can tell me. I am half Jewish and half Quaker, but I follow the Jewish religion. My religion List top three were:
Islam(!) 100%
Conservative Judaism 98%
Quaker 95%
I don’t know, maybe I should convert. I think the Muslim religion is perfectly practical.
60-I agree completely.
“People will then often say “But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?†This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would chose not to worship him anyway.)”-Douglas Adams, on his atheism
55-that theory is based on nothing. scientific theory is based on observable, quantifiable fact. science acknowledges that your theory may be true. if it is, science will get to it at some point. magic is simply science beyond our understanding.
56-absolutely.
57-hear hear~!
58-not to seem to be trolling, but you really should be. make your case.
61-umm, except all the terrible stuff in the qu’ran. and the general belief system, and basically everything. IMO, islam is pretty much the worst major religion. maybe Scientology is worse, if that can even be considered a religion.
63- That is where you are wrong. It is american stereotype that there are terrible things in the quran. I own a copy and I can assure you that there is nothing urging Muslims to kill non-believers. Although it does lack in political correctness especially towards women, there is nothing you would call “terrible”. Dark Duke of Darkness, you need to read the quran before you make any conclusions about Islam. You have been listening to the radicals like Mr. Bin Laden and have not heard about real Islam. You assume without knowing the full truth, and that is called prejudice.
And don’t think that Christianity is free of terrorism either. Anyone remember the Crusades? The Inquisition? I’d say a lot more than 3000 people died in those…
65- and then comes all of the slaves.
I don’t like where this conversation is going…
*leaves thread*
67 – Yeah, I know.
Peaceful discussions, people. Please…
55- just making stuff up, but what if??? So many answers don’t have questions, strike that, and switch it, so many questions don’t have answers! Why can’t we time travel? Why didn’t the universe make other planets in our solar system to be able to have life?Why did the beatles have to die? How come??????? Everytime we find or make up an answer (you choose) these questions get more complicated, like if somebody invented a way to go back in time, but only if you have a special video, the question will be…. Why can’t we go back in time WITHOUT a video?
Anyway, let’s leave that.
one more thing,
I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It’s just that the translations have gone wrong.
John Lennon
Peace and pie for everyone!!!!!
tHe WEiRdO iN THe pOlKaDot hAT
Could you put me under Ancient Greek please?
/gradster(1)/
You zapped it.
70- Do you truly believe in it? l don’t like it when people say that they believe a religion just because it sounds interesting, while they frequently go to church for another religion.
65-how about the witch hunts?
47-? which verse? I don’t remember that…oh well, I never really read much of the bible. Some of the stuff I do read doesn’t make sense…
@71 re70 – At the moment I have no opportunities to practice it. I do believe that it’s the best option – especially because it’s a pagan religion. I don’t go to church at all anyway.
I think monotheistic religions are rather ridiculous…
/gradster(1)/
64-oh, absolutely radical islam is terrible, i wasnt talking about that. the degradation of women in islam is far more than simply “politically incorrect” as you put it. and if you think im discriminating against islam, you’re wrong. its barely worse than Christianity, and the bible is terrible as well.i know that
there are peaceful interpretations, but why should we have to interpret a text so clearly wrong in the first place? admittedly i have not read the qu’ran all the way through, but not many people have. i have seen quotes htough. for example, “3.141. Allah’s object also is to purge those that are true in Faith and to deprive of blessing Those that resist Faith.”
“4.15. If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.”
i would not call this politically incorrect. i would call it terrible.
65-absolutely. without question. although the qu’ran does not directly say that the killing of nonbelievers is good, many, many wars, much oppression of violence has been done in the name of allah. far, far more people have been killed in the name of jesus than hitler.
@71 – Who zapped what?
About this whole thread – I think religions are actually rather unintelligent on the whole. One can change one’s beliefs out rapidly, therefor practicing or believing in a religion really means nothing.
I used to be an agnostic. I think I still am in some ways because I’m fully open to the suggestion that there is a possibility that there is a higher power – but I’d rather affiliate myself with a religion than be considered an outsider. And because I ‘believe’ in something that hasn’t been around for, say, circa 1500+ years, I can still be different.
I guess you could put me under ta theia agnosticism – or Graeco-agnosticism.
/gradster(1)/
I’m not trying to be mean. I’m just saying that Christian have just as many radicals as any other religion. Yes, even in America. Google the Westboro Baptist Church.
I don’t say the pledge of allegiance. I don’t believe in blind compliance. And I think it’s horrible when I see first graders told to recite it, when they have no idea what it means and symbolizes.
61~ Don’t give me that. Christianity is the most hypocritical? Yes. It is. Does this make it bad? Perhaps it reflects human nature. Does the arrival of Jesus in Act II change anything? Isn’t the Torah half the Bible? What about the unknown numbers of translations? There are, after all, numberless sects and divisions within Christianity, each thinking something slightly different. We have 12 right here. Just because you say you practice a religion doesn’t mean you agree with what someone slightly similar to you did over 500 years ago.
~ “Except for teh Quakers, of course, they are the true ideal of Christianity IMHO” And I quote directly, the type of “I’m right you’re all wrong” thinking that divides, kills, and utterly destroys so many lives.
~The Koran is “politically incorrect”? That’s like saying torture “isn’t nice”.
69~ We base how we live our lives and think of ourselves upon what we see and reason out in real life. Science is the study of this. Sure, It’s fun to imagine “what if…”, but that doesn’t get us anywhere closer to the truth in the end. If you believe that we simply make up answers and questions to fit our own means, I’m fine with that if it achieves true happiness.
77- GOOD FOR YOU! I only have to say it a boy scouts.
78-lets be civil now. . .
77- There is nothing wrong with Christianity, the problem is the radicals that twist it to suit their own needs.
78- Jesus arrived only to forgive us for all of our sins, He didn’t make everyone become good. And the point of Christianity is to make us believe in God and love Him so that we can be saved.
1. How do you know Aetheists wouldn’t kill as much as Christians do? Take Stalin–he was an Aetheist, and he killed millions of people.
2. As I said before, it is only the fanatical Christians who go on the crusades and genocides. Just like Muslim terrorists aren’t true Muslims, as Islam is a peaceful religion, Christian fanatics aren’t true Christians, for the same reason. The genocides are no result of Christianity itself, instead, they are caused by the people.
*skips all the posts*
Me=tired of talking about religion, I’ve been doing it too much in the past month. So please don’t eat me if I stay off this thread and don’t read posts that concern me.
Anyway, if believing in witchcraft=Wicca, then I’m in.
And correction to the list: I was born Christian (Roman Catholic to be exact) but I’m not quite sure if I still have faith in the Christian church.
I’m also Jewish by Hitlar’s standards: A.K.A. my mother converted to Christianity from Reform Jewish, and my grandparents/lots of other people in my family are still Jewish.
I was part of FSM, but then I switched to the Gospel of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, but Her Holy Hoofness doesn’t support pirates, so I switched back to FSM, and then I considered Buddhism, but I couldn’t really get into it, and then I tried Cheesy Poofism (a religion my friends made) but didn’t appreciate the orange stuff on my fingers, and then I just didn’t know what I think, because y’know maybe all the gods anyone’s ever believed in are actually all at one big party, so right now I’m a non-practicing believer of Subwayism.
And that was one looooong sentence.
Subwayism. I’m not kidding at all. Don’t bother googling it, you probably won’t find a definition. I’ll post one later.
So. Subwayism.
On Facebook, there are two groups for it. Here’s the list of commandments from one of them:
1. Subway is the ultimate
2. Thou shalt put no other fast-food chains before it
3. Thou shalt not try to imitate the subway
4. Thou shalt not take the name ‘subway’ in vain
5. Remember each ‘sub of the day’ and treat all with the same respect
6. Thou shalt not destroy a subway
7. Thou shalt not steal someone else’s subway
8. No beatings/attacks/abuse should be given, while the person in questions is ‘subwaying’
9. Thou sandwich must always be toasted
10. NEVER GET A VEGGIE DELIGHT SUBWAY
The other group, which was founded by my friend, says this:
“ummm…THURSDAYS! So yeah…everyday is a holiday but Thursday, when we worship by going to Subway and then later going to the library and NOT doing homework.”
As you can see, the true meaning of Subwayism is disputed.
81-islam isnt peaceful.
“1. How do you know Aetheists wouldn’t kill as much as Christians do? Take Stalin–he was an Aetheist, and he killed millions of people.”
weird way of spelling atheist. anyways, i dont. no one does. but atheists kill people because they like to, or they have more reasonable reasons for it. not because of religion. religious people kill people for other reasons too. but religion makes people kill, opress, slaughter, rape, etc. people. so its bad. this is the argument, not that only religious people kill.
61-I think that the Christian religion is fine. Nearly all religions are peaceful and good, but extremists give them bad names. I think that all people of any religion are hypocritical in some way, because it is impossible to follow a religion perfectly. I think that the negativities of some religions are showcased by the media, but that doesn’t mean that they are worse than others.
Why should anyone be ashamed of their religion? Maybe some claim to follow their religion and do awful things, but if they harm others they are not truly a member of that religion, and should not make those who truly believe and act upon the teachings of that religion feel ashamed.
Ok about the good people with the “wrong” religon again…
How can someone who does good deeds with good intentions be led by an evil force? There may be some who pretend to be good to hide a negative agenda, but if someone does a good deed from the kindness and love within them, how can anyone say that it is evil or claim that it is without faith? Even if someone does not claim to follow a religion, they can still do good deeds. If there is a supreme power who fully embraces and wishes to teach the concepts of love and peace, are all good deeds not proof of connection to this power? Faith without deeds is a dead faith, but good deeds are proof of faith, whether that faith be in a supreme being or the goodness of the human spirit.
What do others think of this?
78- Jeshuah Ben Joseph (Jesus) was a great teacher amd a great philosopher. Where I draw the line is when he walks on water and returns from the dead. According to the new testament, Jesus preached “blessed are the meek” and “turn the other cheek” and Muhammad preached basically the same. I recognize that Islam’s views especially on women may be outdated, but Islam is not a religion of death and destruction. I have read the Kuran fully, and I can guarantee any of you that there are no passages calling for jihad or the extermination of non-muslims. Islam is a misunderstood religion in the eyes of the western world, and although some of their views may be outdated, such is the same of every religion. Islam is in no way, infact, maybe less barbaric and murderous than standard Christianity. Anyone who believes that that statement isn’t true is a) misguided and prejudiced and basically draws wrong conclusions about Islam from radicals like Osama Bin Laden.
I’m happy. Most christian religions start Lent today, but eastern orthodox Lent starts almost a month from now.
85-Islamic extremist aren’t peaceful, but then neither are any other types of extremists. Athiests might kill just as much as people of religion. Religion doesn’t make people kill or harm others, but people who misinterpret the religion or have some type of mental disorder kill and sometimes blame it on the religion instead of taking the blame for themselves. Religion is not bad, blaming religion for evil acts is bad.
I am going to restate an earlier opinion, since some people may be skimming to the bottom of the page. Do you believe that if everyone followed their religion in the way it is intended and those people who are not religious were kind and loving there would be peace?
89-“the way it is intended” is very subjective. if everyone were to follow their holy books to the word, then there would certainly not be peace, because religions dont like other religions.
“i have read the Kuran fully, and I can guarantee any of you that there are no passages calling for jihad or the extermination of non-muslims. Islam is a misunderstood religion in the eyes of the western world, and although some of their views may be outdated, such is the same of every religion. Islam is in no way, infact, maybe less barbaric and murderous than standard Christianity.” certainly, islam is misunderstood, and used a a reason for killing people. certainly its not very much more barbaric than standard Christianity. when you say that some of their views are “outdated” this means that it was okay to lock women inside until they died 2000 years ago? but not now? if it is wrong now, it was wrong then. th way i see it, no good can come of basing one’s life on a book that preaches sexism, and violence. not to say that there are not many good parts, but the bad parts are pretty bad. also, there are no passages calling for the extermination of infidels, but lots that say things about them that… to put it mildly are not very nice. foe example,
“5.51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”
Jews and Christians suck. dont be friends with them!!!!
” Anyone who believes that that statement isn’t true is a) misguided and prejudiced and basically draws wrong conclusions about Islam from radicals like Osama Bin Laden.”
so… anyone who disagrees with you is completely wrong, misguided and prejudiced?
90- We don’t think you’re prejudiced or misguided, it’s just that we think that you’re going to suffer consequences in the end. The Bible and the Kuran don’t preach violence; there’s no reason for Christians and Muslims to kill people who don’t believe in their faiths. That’s hypocritical, because isn’t the point of Christianity and Islam to save people from death? What they should be doing is peacefully preaching to them. But if you’re a firm atheist, why should you complain?
Nothing like a good religious argument to sharpen your debating skills, eh?
Religion is meant as a comfort. At their core all religions are peaceful, are they not? But as time and place changes, words take on different connotations. You have to agree when I say that traditional wisdom thousands of years ago may not hold up in today’s society.
It’s human nature that creates and destroys religion, in my eyes…That’s why I choose instead to live by the good messages of all faiths.
All I am going say is that accepting Jesus Christ in your heart is the only way to get to Heaven.
93- umm… no. not necessarily. it is fine if you believe that Jesus leads to heaven but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and it shouldn’t matter whether or not those include Jesus.
93-not to be personally insulting, but that kind of religious sentiment is what i hate the most about it in general.
92-sure. but most, if not all of the “good”(very subjective) messages are pretty much duh. thou shalt not kill. really? killing is bad? good religion s unnecessary.
91-“That’s hypocritical, because isn’t the point of Christianity and Islam to save people from death?” wow. excellent point.
and the peaceful proselytizing, as long as its not derogatory (coughcoughcomment93coughcough) is not my problem. my problem is the people who take the bad parts of religious texts and shape their lives around them. and also the general stupidity of the concept of a tangible higher being.
You have to admit, religion in general is essentially just stories. You can take these stories literally or you can take these stories figuratively, as long as you don’t try to twist them into excuses for doing things that hurt other people.
That was my main point. So people who don’t like to read paragraphs can see it easily. Now, I would like to say that I don’t like people who use their religions to force people to do things or to make excuses for doing things. For example, the bible being against gay marriage?!?! First of all, using the bible (essentially) as reasoning for outlawing something as a *federal law* is ridiculous and unconstitutional. Second of all, if the people involved believe in your religion and believe that part, then they obviously won’t have a gay marriage. And if they don’t believe it, then you have no right to force your beliefs on them.
Oh, and thirdly, why are you trying to control other people’s lives? [sorry, that issue just annoys me a ton. That and abortion.]
I think thats along as your true to yourself/do good, you will get to heaven.
I hope to see FS and agagabagabag there, atheist as ever.
I there a section for people who are Christian but have Jewish or other religion parents? I am Catholic, but I celebrate many Jewish holidays with my Dad.
Just curious- what is a Druid Reconstructionist?
I believe in peace between religions-Islam, Christianity, and Judiasm all originated from the same place. I also think some ideas from Bhuddism are good to consider. Also, I am a Tudor England freak and I am doing a HUGE History project on the Religion conflicts during ELizabeth I’s reign. I get the point (what they were fighting over) but I feel that a lot of people were slaughtered unnecessarily.
93- And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a life is wasted.
97- Wow, l guess l can’t object there.
99-You might as well be wasting your life now. Trying to use up your life spreading your beliefs of insulting other religions… what a waste. In fact, who says you have to spend your whole life trying to get him into your heart, you know? You just accept him, and-done. That’s how I was taught…
100- Yeesh. That’s not what l do! You know veeery little about my beliefs, it would seem.
101-at the moment I know that you would go out of your way to put down something that someone else obviously strongly believes in. That is already not a religion I like. You can put it whatever way you like, but insulting other people is not my idea of a good religion.
I think I might leave this thread soon but I want to say one more thing. If you are easily insulted skip the rest of this post. I try not to insult people but I’m not sure how this will come across.
I think that Jesus was real, and that it is important to believe in the truths he lived during his life. I don’t believe that knowing the story of Jesus makes you a better person, but that following his examples of acceptance and love does. I think that when Jesus wanted people to follow him, he meant for them to follow his example of humanitarian behaviour, not worship him. For those who worship Jesus, I think that is fine so long as you live by his teachings. Faith without works is not faith, but mere belief. We should stop focusing on making people believe the right thing, and focus more on doing the right thing, as some might say “practice what you preach”.
Ok. I hope nobody got too mad at that. I’ll read the responses and I might post more, but it seems to be getting on the edge of fighting here.
I hope that everyone here can find it within them to respect other religions. No matter how much you dislike something, you can still respect it.
95- God is tangible?
81-Atheists do horrible things to, but genocide and murder are almost always justified in the name of God. Sorry that I was generalizing.
103 — I don’t actually believe in Jesus being the son of God (You can put me under the Conservative Jew category), but I like your take on that. *high five*
i think that no matter what religion we otherwise follow, we are all muserists… and hpbists. me has no religion. why isn’t that a category?
(107) Only because no one asked for it before now.
95) Which is exactly why I find religion unnecessary to myself. I have my own moral code and don’t need a supplementary list of do-nots and etc…
106- I don’t believe that there was a virgin birth or that Jesus was the son of God, but I do believe that he was a real person and a great spiritual leader.
I want to be in the Muse/HPBists!
104-what i meant by that is some idea of an intelligent higher being thatwe (humans) can possibly comprehend in any way. i dont think the idea of some kind of something creating the universe before the big bang is ridiculous, simply very unlikely. the idea of any kind of Judeo-Christian god that cares about us is.
109-yeah. basing one’s moral code on someone like Kant, or any other moral philosopher is so much more logical than basing it on a 3000 year old book of fables.
Anyone else believe in ghosts?
hello?
I practice my home planet’s religion of Dumr-Sirism. As it is not practiced on Earth, please put me down as Jedi.
112- No, but thinking about them still scares me sometimes.
Do you Jedis celebrate Life Day then?
115- Yes.
110 – Some person who preached about peace and loving your neighbor and rules probably did exist, and if he existed he was probably a great leader, but all the mystical stuff probably didn’t happen. That’s just my take on it. But it doesn’t really matter what you believe, as long as you believe in the teachings, which are mostly right and peace-promoting.
112-I believe in ghosts.
117-Mmhm. That’s what I’m getting at.
Unintended Pun, I really appreciate your comment about following Christ’s examples and respecting other religions. I don’t see how Christianity can be so hateful and lewd. God’s Son made the ultimate sacrifice out of love, not in hate, so we could have eternal life. I don’t have a hatred toward other religions or people who believe in them. I only share what I believe because I just hope others hearts can be touched like mine has. I am not one to argue. Each person has his or her own choices and I can only hope that the Love of God will break down the walls of the hardened hearts in this world.
119-
119- That’s good, even if I don’t nessecarily agree with you. As long as you don’t post things like “you’re going to burn in hell, forever” I’m sure we’ll get along fine.
Yay people are being nice!
Wow I just realized that 120 was a PoPo, and this probably will be too if I don’t write something about religion…
Who gives up things for Lent and what did you give up?( I don’t do Lent but I like to hear what people give up)
120 – The PoPoPo will get you for that.
I, being Jewish, have never given anything up for Lent, but most of the people I know who observe Lent give up red meat, and some of them give up chicken as well.
118, 119, 121 — So we all agree and are happy in peace and merriment. Now, if we could only get the rest of the world to try seeing it our way…
My goodness, some people about lent REALLY cut cornors.
For example, I had this conversation with Mrs. _______.
Me: What did you give up for lent?
Mrs. _______. Meat
Me: That’s great! It really helps the animals.
My friend: Not fishes.
Me: You still eat fish?
Mrs. _______. :Yep. Fish arte about as inteelegnt as plants, so they don’tcount.
Me- You know, I saw this show on Animal Planet, about how Angelfish are as intelegent as songbirds.
My friend: {Vixen}, shut up.
Mrs. _______. > Well, I still eat birds.
Me> oh so you\ve given up red meat?
Mrs. _______. : Yep. I still eat pork, because that’s white meat.
Me-OK…..
Mrs. _______. And this all only on fridays, cuz that’s what the priests say.
*at this point my friend and I went in my room, choking with laughter*
Hehheheh. My dad was on the front page of the religion section of the newspaper. For the 8th time in 5 years. The bible belt is pathetic. (no offense)
Lots of people here give up different types of junk food for Lent. One of my friends said she was giving up everything with pop in the name. She regrets it now though because she can’t have popcorn, soda pop, pop tarts, lollipops, popsicle, and other things with pop in them.
126- what for?
I was wondering if anyone here has drasticly converted to a religion different than their parents? Like, from catholic to muslim?
Vixen (128): I think oxlin has, if memory serves. Which it might not…
128, 129- Well, not converted per say but I’m certainly interested. It really did bother me when my dad put down ‘Catholic’ on the FAFSA. I’m NOT Catholic. I don’t know what I am, but not that. I was but I’ve changed. Judaism has always fit me and I’ve been interested in possibly converting for a while. My mother is Catholic and my father isn’t religious. We are members of our local JCC where I’ve learned a lot about Jewish culture. I never go to my church and go to the JCC quite a bit. The community there is similar to most people’s synagogue, church, temple or mosque’s community. I’ve also been rather interested in UU (Unitarian Universalism). One of my close friends is UU and I’ve asked to go to church with her before but we’ve never finalized those plans. What I like about UU is that there aren’t really any prescribed beliefs but that of respecting others. Besides, a lot of awesome people are UU. I’ve also gone to a Quaker meeting with another friend.
that was long…
128- Atheist to agnostic and back again.
I took the belief-o-meter test. Apparently, I’m a Quaker.
Bleh.
Myths about Wicca frustrate me.
Especially when people who believe the myths do things from said myths and call themselves Wiccan, further spreading those myths.
126- Absolutely no idea other than he happens to be a member of the clergy.
I got told I was going to hell again today. It was lovely…
Which myths about Wicca do you have in mind? (Here, I assume that “myths” means misconceptions.)
oxlin (130): I took a religions class at a UU church in seventh grade, and it was really interesting — we went to a Mosque, Synagogue, and many different Christian churches. Are there any programs like that at the UU church in your area? It might be interesting to take. I’ve also been to many many many Quaker meetings, and belong to the JCC.
135-I meant misconceptions, yes.
Some of the things that make me mad are when people think that Wiccans worship Satan (they don’t even believe in him!), Wiccans sacrifice animals in their rituals, and other things like that.
There are also people who don’t believe that Wiccans exist, because some call themselves witches, and the witches on tv are obviously fake.
I’m not sure if this is true, but I read on the internet that the Bible quote “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” (Exodus 22:18) was intentionally mistranslated in an attempt to convert people. The article said that the original text should have read “Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live”, again, I am not sure if this is true, and I have no opinion on it either way.
137-I’ve heard the same thing, about the witches and poisoner. Although, in my case, I heard it was “Thous halt not suffer a assassin to live. That, however, I wonder about. Were there assassins when the bible was written? A poisoner makes more sense.
138-There were probably always assasins. Assasins kill for political reasons, so there’s no reason there couldn’t be one.
3 cheers for civilized discussion! (and no flaming so far…)
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What are people’s views on any kind of worship?
141- as in…
141- I think that it depends on the situation. I don’t like religious institutions like churches, but I have nothing against people worshipping as a family or in groups of friends. I think that some worship is ok. If someone worships a god/ess and believes that doing kind acts is a way of showing love toward that god/ess, then it is fine by me. I also believe that worship can easily turn into obsession, which is never a good thing.
I am completely against warships. (what?)
Deity worship. Or other kinds. Whatever!
I don’t like mega-churches, but they just scare me personally. I can’t really give a good reason why.
l believe that submitting yourself to another being, be they real or not, lessens you as a person.
146- How is that?
147-It reduces your integrity and individuality.
Hey, ARD!
You’re doubtlessly on this thred with your normal alias, and l wanna talk.
You always gasped when l “attacked the beliefs of others,” and other MBers said that the thred should be for peacefully talking about one’s beliefs. When l peacefully stated mine, why did you attack every one of them?
I had a very interesting conversation with someone today. She seemed to think repeating “I am the alpha and the omega” over and over again would make me understand that there is an almighty God who can smite you if he wants to.
The Beavo Religion Update: I believe in God, but I think he’s a little loony. I shall call this…
The Beavo Beleif! *thunder*
If you want to, you can put me under that on the religion list. I don’t really care.
149 – I say, I rather like the Beavo Belief! I really must consider converting to it, and I say this with absolutely no sarcasm.
148- Not so. Our beliefs contradict each other. Just saying that “I believe in God” attacks your belief.
151- l posted 10 beliefs, numbering them one to ten. You made arguments. What you stated couldn’t be called beliefs.
Example:
Me:
1. Death was the first thing we new about life, but humanity is petty. We created religion and the afterlife to refuse death. Death should be accepted, in the exeption of premature deaths were one doesn’t achieve their full potential as a person.
You:
1. If we will die with no afterlife in the future, what’s wrong with thinking there is an afterlife? It will give people something to live for in life, and a dead person who believed in afterlife is no worse than another dead person.
If you were stating your beliefs, you would have said:
1. l believe in afterlife.
And even so, you were using your beliefs to directly attack mine.
151- what are you? (Denomination, It seems as if you are a Christian.)
I like the Beavo Belief!
I don’t know what I believe right now. There’s so many things wrong with religions but there’s also a lot of things that I really like about a lot of different religions. Another thing that confuses me is the science that either proves these things wrong or doesn’t define anything about them.
*thinks to much* *brain explodes*
I think God, if He exists, is a) politically incorrect, and b) defies all of the laws we have come to know.
Exhibit A: The Big Bang.
Exhibit B: Evolution.
Exhibit C: Heaven and Hell. I mean, if they exist, where are they???
Where does political incorrectness come into it?
Possible converters to fhe Beavo Belief: I came to my conclusion because of two things.
One, I think the Christian Bible is insane. I haven’t read most of it, I haven’t even done research on any other religions other than Wicca and the Jewish faith (I don’t know how to spell the word and I think it would be rude to misspell it). But what is in it, like the book of Genisis, is mad in my opinion. I believe in some kinds of evolution, which discredits the “seven day” story. Adam and Eve? Er, I have a problem with that.
Two, God is mean. Who ever heard of banning someone from eating apples because they “said” so? And why create all this suffering? Why even have desease? Why make people worship you because you put them into their miserable existance? I wouldn’t do that. It’s pretty darn cruel. And the whole “your parents worshiped a lamb so you and your children won’t get into the promised land” thing was just dispicable on his part. Not everyone is like their parents.
Third, a whole bunch of things are just random. What’s with the whole tower of Babel? You don’t change someone’s language as punishment to the rest of humanity. Again, dispicable on his part.
So. He exists. I believe he does. But he’s a bit off of his rocker, so to speak.
Heh, and don’t get me started on the Ten Commandments.
Exhibit A: Who says God didn’t make the big bang happen?
Exhibit B: Same with as Exhibit A.
Exhibit C: They don’t have an excact location. And if they did, I doubt we would ever find it.
157-I think that a lot of the Bible may have been messed up in translation, or intentionally mistranslated to frighten people into converting. I don’t think that God really would punish people for what their relatives did. I also don’t think that he would be so insecure in his power that he would punish those who didn’t believe in him. That depiction really just makes him sound like a middle school bully…
“You think I’m a wimp huh? I’ll show you a wimp!” *punches kid*
I am not really sure if I believe in God, but I don’t believe a lot of religions’ interpretations of him. I think that if he exists there is no way that any human could comprehend his wishes. This is also why I don’t like things claiming to be the word of some god or another. If someone really did recieve a message from God, and he is as powerful as he is supposed to be, then the message may be (and probably was) lost in the overwhelming feeling of communicating with God.
159- There you go again. l think you need to consider something:
We share a fault. And that fault is our inability to admit we’re wrong here. We both kept arguing for the sake of not submitting to the other, which is the wrong purpose. You did attack my beliefs, but you won’t admit it because of pride. l will be more open-minded if you are.
157- l can’t prove that wrong, but that doesn’t mean you should believe in it. If l made up something tottally random that you could not disprove, would you follow me?
161-Maybe, if I found it believable. I find the fact that God exists believable, therefor I believe in him. I can’t prove his existance, or that he dosn’t exists, but what I’ve heard/read about him leads me to believe that he does. I’m not saying he’s awesome, but I think he’s there, at least.
161- I admit that I did attack your beliefs, but not because of pride. I believe that God is real, and that everything the Bible says is true. The problem is that our beliefs contradict each other. If you state why you don’t believe in God, then christians think you’re attacking their beliefs. If christians state why they believe in God, then you feel like they’re attacking your beliefs.
Crap. My long post got deleted.
Anyway, even if beliefs don’t agree with each other, they can still coexist.
l believe in afterlife. When l die, l’ll have them bury me w/out a coffin, and have an apple seed be put in my stomach. Then l will live again as a tree. Eventually, the tree will die, and l will live again in the earth. Then, much later, the universe will collapse in on itself, and then expand again, and l will become a star or a planet or part of those or many of those or even a living thing.
So who cares if my consciousness dies? Why must we invent afterlives for ourselves when none can match the one that truly exists?
164- the seed will not grow.
164- Christians believe that we can’t reincarnate into something else. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. And I’d much rather go to heaven than become a star.
164-That reminds me of Dane Cook.
Can someone answer this question: Why can’t people just say “you believe what you want, and I’ll believe what I want, and we’ll see who is right when we die”? Why can’t people just do something obvious like that?
167- That’s what I try to say, but then people start to call Christians nut-jobs and I have to talk back.
Ha, the Beavo Belief believes in reincarnations!
Well, I do. And I’m kind of teh founder. And the only member.
I would like to be reincarnated, but I doubt it’ll be something I like. A star would be nice, I guess, but nobody likes them because they have no personality. They could, but it’s to hard to tell because they’re HOT when they want to be. In fact, their hot wether they want to be or not!
I’m really tired, and it’s 1:22 p.m. It shows, I guess. I wonder if I’ll look at this post in the morning and wonder if it was someone using my computor or name or something.
122- I’ve given up choclate.
123- My family don’t eat red meat anyway, so I don’t give that up.
I’m a methodist and will be “confirmed” later this year. Methoidists are really tolerant and open compared to a llot of oher religions si I’m happy. I don’t follow every single bit but most of it. In the end I just have to know god created and loves me and I will always worship him.
I mean, I respect other people’s religions, but I think I now only believe in thing I can see and/or touch.
Oh, and God is politically incorrect because:
He. Why is the creator of the Universe a HE?? The people who wrote the Bible were sexist, that’s all I can say.
165- Thanks.
166- But you will change physically, you surely don’t deny that. And what”s so wonderful about eternal life? It’s selfish and unnescessary.
172-At the time the Bible was written, everyone was sexist. They still are today, though it is much less extreme. God doesn’t necessarily have a gender, but people just call him He.
I don’t care what religion people are as long as they don’t use it as an excuse for violence.
173- Selfish and unneccesary? We are not our bodies. Our soul is who we are. And I believe that a soul is something much to powerful and important to simply vanish like our temporary physical bodies.
172- Most christians believe god is genderless, but he is just one way of saying it. I’ve her countless people at my church call god a she.
174- i really like your perspective on things! Your very respectful.
173-It may be selfish and unecessary, but if it is given by a creator of a religion, it would be quite rude to reject it. According to some religions eternal life is a gift that everyone has from birth, and can not be rid of, and salvation must be earned for most of this eternal life to be lived in peace.
If people demanded eternal life, it would be quite selfish.
If you do what you want in this lifetime, it is unecessary, but I doubt that many can fit the life they want into this life.
If there’s anyone out there who thinks this is wrong, I may just believe you if your explanation makes more sense to me.
I don’t know if I believe in eternal life/afterlife. I think I’ll just find out when I die.
172, 175 – I suppose you’re right. *sigh* I’m not trying to sway anyone, but that’s what I think and you don’t have to like it if you don’t want to.
175- What is the soul? Answer me that. lt seems extremely vague.
178 – That reminds me of a quote..
“‘Heart,’ ‘spirit’, ‘soul’, whatever you want to call it. … When things don’t go well, people try to tap into their ‘spirit’…by using money, education, religion, customs; every possible avenue. Humans run themselves ragged trying to get hold of ‘spirit’. And it’s no wonder. You can’t see spirit, only it’s tangible results. In other words, it’s like the wind. When the wind is strong, it can rattle a whole forest. When one’s spirit is moved tremendously, one can do tremendous things.” – Airi, Land of the Blindfolded volume 2
That’s the best I can think of explaining it.
179 — I like that explanation. *clapclap*
179- I like that.
I have discovered what is wrong with the world. The problem is thinking. When people think they form opinions and plans for acting upon those opinions. If we eliminated thought everyone would be able to lump around and not think in peace forever.
181- That’s a good idea. But wait, that’s a thought! No more thinking!
181- That… is the worst thing any person on the planet has said and will ever say. Thinking is the most important human nature.
179- You beat around the bush again. What’s the difference between a soul and a brain?
179, 183- Your brain is what makes you able to think and reason. Your soul is what makes you alive. And your spirit is the part of you that can be filled with God.
Hmm, let’s see. What makes me alive? My soul? Then my soul is my brain, my heart, my lungs, my skin, and my internal organs, because they make me alive. And my spirit fillls with god? Explain, please.
My reasoning is: if I can’t think, I die. That’s how it has been. You don’t stay on your toes, you get killed.
Ha! I jest. Not thinking is an awful idea, but you have to admit that if everyone was just a bunch of lumps who never did anything there wouldn’t be much violence, since they wouldn’t be doing ANYTHING.
I think that political candidates shouldn’t say anything about their religion unless they plan to use religion as a guide to what they do in office.
181- it’s not thinking. it’s having ideas. look at the vogons. they have no ideas.
188- Yes, if we had no ideas, where would we go? Religion, I’m afraid, is inevitable.
189- Thank you for giving me hope. lf thinking is inevitable, so will truth! (aren’t you proud of me for not saying atheism?)
184- Anonymous Religion Discusser, I really like your comments.
haha! .00000000001% is actually there! weee! I learned it in science!….
of anything.
giminator-What do you mean by that? (.00000000001%)
192 – …Explain?
eny one herd of leondeon religion
?
dear unintendedpun what is your religion? ( is unintendedpun or eny one els still awake?)
196-I’ve never heard of that, what is it?
197-Please use your posts to say something, it makes a lot less work for the GAPAs if you only use one post.
198-I don’t know what my religion is, or even if I’m religious. I’m really just exploring a lot right now.
Ooh! I get to tell about Leondeon faith. Ok one we believe that all religions are real except creation myths. We try and find connections and compromises between religions. Two: we believe that god/gods/goddesses did not make humans, humans made the gods. The gods once being one god/great spirit /higher life form etc. “But they were so powerful they could not work small scale. But humans (the hero of our story) seeing things that they did not under stand created myths and gods to explain that which they did not know.†So theirbelief created spiritual bodies. “And some of this god/higher life form took advantage of these shells (like a hermit crab) and came to earth. But the price being that they have the memories, attitudes, personality and the power of that shell. Plus they rely on the belief of the people who believe in them. Three: so it is the duty of the Leondeon follower to create new shells, make sure old ones don’t fade away and to get new people to give energy andbelief to our goddess/gods (hint hint). That was the short version *bow*
I don’t think I have a religion. I am confused. *is confused*
200-I like how you explain that. Is it like your belief makes the gods/goddesses stronger?
People, can we please get back on track?
184- Everything you say is like that. It’s ambigous, and doesn’t mean a thing.
203- We are on track. We’re talking about religions and we’re on the religions thread. But if you really want to know…
The brain is merely a tool you use to control your body, thoughts, and emotions. Your soul is your life. Sorry if it sounds vague, but that’s the way we believe it is.
I find it frightening (or rather not) that there are less Pastafarian musers…you’d think the Flying Spaghetti Monster would take on rather quickly…hmm, article idea?
205- Why do you think the FSM would take on quickly?
187-For some your religion guides every day descisions, so it’s kind of nessesary.
I guess I’ve made my descision: I’m FSM. For now. I read the eight “I’d really rather you didn’ts” and it makes a whole bunch more sense. Even if the main god guy is a flying spaghetti monster.
204- It’s not just vague. lt’s one of those phrases that seems to have deep meaning but not really mean anything. lf my soul is my life, then l can live with that, but why does my soul go to hell?
See, the soul is the thing l kinda see as the transparent you that goes up or down. Why do you believe in that? Wait, wait, let me answer that… you don’t! Of course you’re going to deny it, because l sed it! So tell me in words that make sense what a soul is? And a spirit?
207- Flying Spaghetti Monster? Sounds delicious!
*tip toes away from thread*
208-I think… ok. I’m going to move away from what gim thinks and just explore. I always sorta pictured the body in one realm, then the soul hangs out in the same space, in the chunk of meat, in the different plane. eh?
194-99.999999999999999% of us is empty space. Maybe I counted wrong…hmmm.
209-DON’T EAT HIM!!!
Aw, you ate the creator of the universe. You’re grounded for a week.
211- Oh, oops. *comes back to thread* *barfs out the Flying Spaghetti Monster*
212 – Eww! You got it all over my shoes! *sigh*
213- you should be honored!
I wish I’d gotten the FSM all over my shoes. *jelous*
214, 215 – You’re right! I should preserve the shoes! *takes off and stores in a cool, dry place with a see-through wall* Now the world can see… it… for years to come!
A couple things here.
First of all, when people say, “When you have a very Christian life, you are happier than if you don’t,” or something like that, it makes me mad. It might be true, but there’s a heck of a lot people that AREN’T Christian.
Second, I’ve been singing along with songs and accidently singing with “d**n” recently. IE “Haven’t you people ever heard of closing a (pause) d**n door”
I don’t swear, though. But I was wondering, is there anything in the Bible that says that cursing is bad? Or something like that?
Kari, the pause is only in the clean version. In the “dirty” (I don’t get that, because nobody who listens to it squeamish like that) version it says God during the pause and then damn afterwords. I probably shouldn’t post those two words together for fear of zapping, which would make my post pointless. And my point postless as well.
Oh, yeah, and it’s “Closing the” not “Closing a”. *P!ATD geek*
218 – I know. The point is that I was pausing.
No, it’s “a”. *nods vigorously*
New album coming out on March 25, but this should be going on the music thread no?
217- Swearing is expression of feeling in a strong way. If someone’s offended by it, well, that’s kind of the point.
Other than the “n” word, and the “f” word (you know what I’m talking about) everything else is fine in my book. If you can say poop, and you can say darn, then the “s” word (I’m only doing that because it’s ZAP material, no?) isn’t that much worse. In fact, it’s not worse at all. Or “crap” or “damn” or “hell”. Hell’s a fictional place (in my opinon, so it’s like saying “what the Auchwitz”.
Yeah, I spelled it wrong. Get over it.
And you shouldn’t call anyone anything that’s mean, so the “b” word is pretty much as bad as “you fat peice of blubber”. If it’s unmeaningful meanness, don’t say it. I call some of my friends the “b” word, but in a friendly way, not put-down-y. They think it’s fine.
On the topic of swearing: I don’t like it when my friends curse at me; I would be offended if someone called me a *****, even if they were my friend saying it in a friendly way. I don’t really mind if they swear to themselves, and sometimes I do too.
Also, on the topic of the P!ATD song: I heard that song on the radio, and I suppose it was the ‘clean’ version, but it had a pause and then ‘damn door’. I thought that was amusing, because ‘damn’ is surely a more offensive word than ‘God’, isn’t it?
Beaves, is you an athiest?
I know you’re a pastafarian, but seriously.
223- don’t you have to be. I mean, I don’t think agnostics would go well.
That maketh 0 sense.
224- I think My puc. was wrong.
Oh, I get it. Yeah, ur right.
*bowz down to shoez*
I like the letter Z today. It’z a nice replacement for the same old S.
222-yeah but if it’s together it’s more offensinve. And it wouldn’t really make sense if the song said “God door”.
228- “Shut the God door?”
The other day I had the sudden thought that in the future, (whether it’s 200 years or 20) there will be next to no religion, and the only reason anyone will celebrate certain holidays anymore is tradition.
I don’t swear. I suppose it’s because “profanity” means “using words not in thought of religion” or something like that, I’ve been brought up not to swear and if I did very bad things would happen, and…I just don’t think I could.
Something else is I don’t think I could ever NOT believe in a god.
230- Or there could be new religions.
217- i haven’t actually read the bible, but i know my christian values well enough to tell you this:
using the lord’s name in vain (as in blasphemy, as in saying “oh my god,” when you mean “oh, *%&#”) is a sin, according to the bible.
i highly doubt the more commonly used curse words count as sins, because they really have nothing to do with religion. think about it. when you call someone a b****, you’re calling them a female dog, when you say you are going to kick someone’s a**, you are suggesting animal abuse. when you say “holy sh**”…you get the idea. curse words just don’t make any sense, which is why i rarely use them. furthermore, when people overuse them, they lose their effect. if you only curse when you’re very angry, people will be able to see how angry you are: so angry that you’re willing to curse to express your feelings. now i’m ranting, i think i’ll stop now.
i apologize for the double post. put me under catholic in the religion list.
232- If I say, “Oh my God”, then yes, I am using the Lord’s name in vain. But if I say, “Oh my god,” without capitals, doesn’t that somehow change things? It could be referring to anything. It could be a god that I have invented for a story. And if I say, “Oh lord,” then the same applies. It could be, I dunno, a fairy lord.
Y’see, it isn’t terribly fair for any religion (because I think a few of them do this…) to call their god “God” or “Lord”, because then if someone says “god” or “Lord” it is immediately assumed that you mean the god or lord of that religion. Which you may or may not. I know, for one, that I don’t, because I don’t think about gods.
I do try to limit the amount of times I say “god” on MuseBlog, and when I do, I don’t capitalize it.
And I think that other swear words are much, MUCH worse. I won’t go into it. But even “god” is more ambiguous than, say, “Christ”, and it also implies religion far more, so I don’t say it.
And how is “suggesting animal abuse” any LESS offensive and sinful than taking the Lord’s name in vain? Because personally … Oh forget it.
*takes deep breaths* Maybe if people didn’t depict God as looking human, things would be easier for me. Now the two are linked in my mind, and therefore I rate animals higher than gods. Oh cake.
NOW ENDS ALICE’S MOST HOT-TEMPERED POST YET (NOT COUNTING THE ONES ABOUT VEGETARIANISM)
PS: I pretty much never use “oh god” as blasphemy. For example, when I say, “oh god” it isn’t really interchangeable with “oh drat”. It’s usually in cases of extreme embarrassment or misery, or surprise. (You may have noticed, I used cake instead. It didn’t work.)
234- what i meant about the animal abuse comment was that saying that curse word just sounds silly. you say a** but you really mean something completely different.
i suppose if one doesn’t believe in any god/gods, saying ‘oh my god’ wouldn’t count as blasphemy, for if one is non-religious one doesn’t believe there are any gods, and would be referring to nothing in particular. i say ‘oh my god’ counts as blasphemy only when you are referring to the god you believe in, so if you made up a god in some story, and refer to that when you say ‘oh my god,’ i wouldn’t call that blasphemy.
i rarely capitalize anything when in informal mode, so i never run into any capitalization problems with ‘god.’
I almost never type “Oh my god/God”, but I say it out loud every once in a while. I’m Athiest, so it’s not really that big of a deal to me. It’s a bit like saying, “Oh, wow.” To me at least.
Actually, I say that I’m Athiest, but I also worship the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Maybe that should be changed on the religion list. Whatever. They’re practically interchangable, anyways.
229-Yeah. It doesn’t make any sense. Shut the dang door, or shut the goddang door make sense a bit more. Except it doesn’t say dang.
I like to replace swear words with nonsense.
One of my favorite things ever is instead of saying “shut the eff up”, say “shut the front door”. When said in certain tones it can be very shocking.
My friend MK and i have non-swearing contests, to see who can sound the worst without swearing. Our friend C thinks it’s dumb and sits there swearing at us the whole time.
Oh. We were talking about religion weren’t we….?
epic.fail.
I know someone at school that is very religious, and it’s rather awkward. He goes around singing hymns and such, and when someone says, “Oh my God!” he frowns at them very sternly.
I try to tell him that other people think differently than him, and he should respect that, be he never listens. I think he tries to convert everybody. He’s trying to get me to believe in God (I don’t), and I am very annoyed.
I wasn’t sure if this should go on the Advice thread, so I came here.
WOW, MuseBloggers many different religions!
I’m a Unitarian Universalist! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
239-Unfortunately there are a lot of people like that. A lot of them believe that people who don’t follow their religion are suffering, or that they are evil.
Heheh…My friend Andy says “oh my science!”.
My friend Caleb is a radical athiest. His mom doesn’t care, but his dad is a preacher at a Baptist church. Almost every week I hear about his dad doing something dumb to try to get him to convert. Several times my friend has been sent to the hospital by his dad because he was supposedly going to kill himself, which is absolutely not true, but his dad thinks that anyone who doesn’t love God must hate life and want to die young.
The guy also hates, and I do not use the word lightly, gays, athiests or other religions, and pretty much everyone who doesn’t go to the Baptist church. He once insulted a gay couple in McDonalds, and when my friend went to apologize he chastized him. He also disowned his daughter for being lesbian.
I feel bad that some religions have people so full of hate trying to show the world what it’s like to be a member of that religion. It’s not a good example of God’s will for a preacher to hate so much.
Attention, ARD!.
I would like to bring up some points that no one payed attention to. (Alert, ARD!!)
“For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. LIkewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful and recieving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due†-Romans 1:26,27. New King James version.
-Said by Jammin’ J, post 27-
Crap, the shrinking box.
Argh, the affect on my credibility must be awful.
Anyway, how can christians claim that to interperet this differently than it is? They say that they hate homosexuality, not gay people, but I have my serious doubts.
This was from post 61, again Jammin’ J:The university professor challenged his students with this question:
“Did God create everything that exists? â€
A student bravely replied, “Yes, he did!â€
“God created everything?â€, the professor asked.
“Yes sirâ€, the student replied.
The professor answered, “If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then God is evil.â€
The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.
Another student raised his hand and said, “Can I ask you a question professor?â€
“Of courseâ€, replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, “Professor, does cold exist?â€
The professor replied, “Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?â€
The students snickered at the young man’s question.
The young man replied, “In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat.
Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body, or matter, have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat.
The student continued. “Professor, does darkness exist?â€
The professor responded, “Of course it does.â€
The student replied, “Once again you are wrong sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light, we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton’s prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn’t this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present.â€
Finally the young man asked the professor. “Sir, does evil exist?â€
Now uncertain, the professor responded, “Of course, as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.â€
To this the student replied, “Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.
God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.â€
The professor sat down.
My ignored rebuttal:
l think l missed post 61. Evil is not the absensce of good. Passivness is the abscense of both good and evil. Good and evil are opposites. Is black the absence of white? Is white the abscense of black? Evil is a deliberate attack to good.
Please do not ignore this.
IBCF, on another thread, you said that you didn’t want anyone to change their faiths. Why don’t you want people to think about things and make the right descisions? Why have them just believe their parents?
Okay, that sounds angry, but l’m genuinely confused.
242, first part of 243- PLEASE pick up a bible and read the rest of the chapter. It’s quite Different in context.
ALSO- You can get the bible to say any thing. It’s like how David Letterman takes quotes from bush for the “GREAT MOMENTS IN PRESIDENTIAL SPEECHES” and make them sound even less Presidential.
244- I’m not sure what thread this was on. Link? I’m going to respond right now. I might be wrong, but:
What It Probably means is that he doesn’t want to force people into his religion.
5- Unitarian Universalism is a very
accepting religion, we belive that people
can find their own religous truth so some
Unitarian Universalists belive in god and
some don’t some have more buddist or
jewish beliefs so in one congregation
there are a very wide array of beliefs,
the one thing all Unitarian Universalists
have in common is 7 principles which I
can’t remember off the top of my head AAAAAAAAAAAAA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! shrinking commentbox! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
245- I don’t own a bible. Perhaps you can post it? And your Letterman analogy makes little sense. Are you saying that the bible’s words can be twisted to make sense?
Continued from post 246-
I can’t remember the 7 principles off the top of my head so anyone
who wants to find ’em out will just
have to Google it.
People on the thread lately have been
talking about the pespectives of
different religions on homosexuality
the UU church’s view is that its O.K.
Me personaly I respect homosexual
people but I don’t like the idea of
people being homosexual or the fact
that when I go to church I’m being
around a few homosexual people! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
chocolatism – its a religion where you worship chocolate. hehe Thats mine.
247- sure:
“[1] Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[2] (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
[3] Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
[4] And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
[5] By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
[6] Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
[7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
[8] First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
[9] For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
[10] Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.
[11] For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
[12] That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
[13] Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
[14] I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
[15] So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
[17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
Rom. 1
No, I’m saying that taking anything out of context can make it suit someone. look at all the political ads.
251- That’s even worse.
You love each other! That means you hate me! Burn in Hell!
-My interperetation.
252- Well, the rest is NICER!
252- I’m pretty sure that bit was about lust, not love.
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
I don’t think this is any way to describe gay love, but lust and adultery between any humans would probably fit.
254- Well, same problem. Lust is just as natural as love.
254- THANK YOU! in fact, that what all the anti-gay passages really are.
256-Yep. I think that the Bible is just against people committing acts of lust no matter what gender. It doesn’t say that the gay people were in love. It says they abandoned the natural use of the other gender, which one would assume is sex. From what I understand the people are being promiscuous, and it just happens to be with the same gender, though it would be wrong with the opposite as well.
hmm…i don’t really have a religion, except i’m pagan….i celebrate wiccan holidays and just regular holidays.
257- Well, that’s another problem with the bible. What’s wrong with lust?
243 — I agree with your rebuttal, but I feel that it could probably go both ways, depending on your point of view. Evil could be either the absence of good or the opposite of good. I don’t think that good and evil can really be dealt with logically.
259-I don’t really know. I guess it just depends. I mean, it causes a lot of problems, but that doesn’t mean that every problem is caused by it. For example someone could be murdered by a jealous spouse because they had an affair, so lust would be part of the cause, but it would also be the spouse’s fault for not controlling themself. Also, you could say that bloodlust qualifies too, and that obviously causes many problems.
260- The lack of both evil and good are passiveness. Call that evil if you like.
261- Pffff. Kinda lame.
260 & everyone else- My idea on good and bad/evil is that there is none its just a conflict of strategies. For example, in Cinderella the (evil) step sisters have a need for cleanliness in their house and they have a need for rest so their strategy is to have Cinderella clean the house and wake up early in the mourning to make their breakfast so its ready when they wake up. Now (good) Cinderella also has a need for cleanliness in the house and a need for rest only she has a slightly different strategy, her strategy would be to have all the people in the house to pitch in with the chores or to hire a maid. So you see they have the very same needs but they just have a conflict of strategies which can be resolved Peacefuly! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
got bored and took that religion quiz again. i think it’s interesting to see what changes, so i’ve put in my results from 6 months ago in italics (ooh, shiny)
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (99%)
2. Liberal Quakers (94%)
3. Secular Humanism (96%)
3. Secular Humanism (92%)
4. Neo-Pagan (88%)
4. Neo-Pagan (81%)
5. New Age (82%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (80%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (79%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (81%)
7. New Age (75%)
8. Taoism (75%)
8. Taoism (72%)
9. Mahayana Buddhism (74%)
9. Mahayana Buddhism (71%)
10. Nontheist (67%)
10. Orthodox Quaker (65%)
11. Orthodox Quaker (64%)
11. Nontheist (64%)
12. Reform Judaism (60%)
12. Reform Judaism (62%)
13. New Thought (54%)
13. New Thought (61%)
14. Scientology (53%)
14. Scientology (57%)
15. Bahá’à Faith (52%)
15. Bahá’à Faith (52%)
16. Jainism (50%)
16. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (51%)
17. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (44%)
17. Jainism (47%)
18. Sikhism (33%)
18. Hinduism (40%)
19. Hinduism (33%)
19. Sikhism (37%)
20. Orthodox Judaism (33%)
20. Orthodox Judaism (33%)
21. Seventh Day Adventist (30%)
21. Seventh Day Adventist (30%)
22. Islam (26%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (26%)
23. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (26%)
23. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (26%)
24. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (25%)
24. Islam (24%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (16%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (15%)
26. Roman Catholic (16%)
26. Roman Catholic (15%)
27. Jehovah’s Witness (12%)
27. Jehovah’s Witness (14%)
most of what changed seems to be percentages. i guess i believe what i believe a little more strongly then? i’m not really sure what the percentages mean, honestly.
264-100% UU is nice to see! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
244- What TMFA said in post #245 is true.
265- Chill out. Stop ranting on about how great your religion is! It gets old fast.
263- Yes, but that doesn’t mean that evil is the absence of good!
266- That’s not at all what it sounded like. Why did you mention Christians too? What’s so great about keeping your faith? It prevents you from finding ones you like better.
267- What thread was this comment on again? Now I’m not certain which one you’re talking about.
Like ebeth, I retook the religion quiz. The stuff in italics is from when I took it in October. I’m surprised that Nontheism jumped 5 spots.
1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)(100%, #1)
2. Secular Humanism (95%)(96%, #3)
3. Theravada Buddhism (84%)(96%, #2)
4. Neo-Pagan (78%)(91%, #4)
5. Liberal Quakers (76%)(89%, #5)
6. Nontheist (72%)(62%, #11)
7. New Age (62%)(77%, #7)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (57%)(71%, #8)
9. Taoism (54%)(69%, #9)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (51%)(77%, #6)
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that I’m just bothering with the top ten results.
Here’s what I got.
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (91%)
3. Nontheist (84%)
4. Liberal Quakers (74%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (71%)
6. Neo-Pagan (64%)
7. Taoism (57%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (56%)
9. Orthodox Quaker (51%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (48%)
11. New Age (43%)
12. Jainism (42%)
13. Bahá’à Faith (36%)
14. Reform Judaism (36%)
15. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (27%)
16. Sikhism (26%)
17. Islam (25%)
18. Orthodox Judaism (25%)
19. Seventh Day Adventist (24%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (23%)
21. Scientology (23%)
22. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (20%)
23. New Thought (20%)
24. Hinduism (19%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (12%)
26. Roman Catholic (12%)
27. Jehovah’s Witness (7%)
262-Why? If you’ve got a good reason I’d be perfectly ok with agreeing with you.
I must leave before I become snappy and sarcastic.
267- My point is, there is no good or evil its only a small difference of stratagy to meet the very same needs! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
(273) That’s a provocative idea. Could you cite some examples? Or counter-examples?
272- Sure.
If a building is burning, saving the inhabatants is good, walking right by is passive, and making it worse is evil.
273- That difference in strategy is the very definition of good and evil. What you said is like saying, “there is no apple, only a sweet red fruit!”
275- Yes I guess your right that there is good and evil but its a choice to judge them that way and I guess a better point to prove is that no living thing can really be evil only there actions can be. However, deeds considered evil always meet needs just like deeds considered good. People are always trying to meet needs just sometimes at the expense of others. What/whose needs not met make something be judged as evil and what/whose needs met make something be judged as good? That is what I’d like to know but another thing is that god could not have created good nor evil because it is an opinion god could possibly have created people to have a certain opinion (though in the way I think of god he didn’t create the world) though and so good is not the absence of evil nor evil the absence of good, good and evil do not exist outside of our own minds, THEY’RE OPINIONS
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Long religious tirade: We have to sing at my B’nai Mitzvah (plural of Bar/Bat Mitzvah, my congregation is so small that we do these in groups). This is not a problem for me; I like singing. What annoys me is that one of the songs we are singing is “Eili, Eili”, which is a pretty song but the title literally means “My God, my God.” My congregation is a secular congregation and this is supposed to be a secular B’nai Mitzvah. However, my teacher believes it is permissible to sing “My God, my God” at a so-called secular event, because we have come up with a secular translation that we sing as well as the original Hebrew lyrics.
275-Well yes, I agree with that, but I do believe that the point you were trying to make was that lust isn’t bad, and only the Bible makes it seem so. Or not. I could be wrong.
…and 276-I think I see the point of this. Again with the burning building. People might say that it is evil to let the building burn, but if Hitler and some of his men were inside some people might say that it is justified because he is evil, and therefore you would be destroying the evil. Some other people might say that he is still human no matter what he does, and allowing a human to die when you could save them is evil. That’s where the opinion part would come in because you could be a hero for destroy the evil, or you could be called evil.
On the Subject of Good and Evil, we will no speak of this.
276- That made little sense, but i think i get the gist. Couldn’t an all powerful god make there not even be evil to begin with?
280- Yes, it was a pretty confusing post even for the writer (me). No god can’t, good and evil has developed from the thoughts of human beings. For example, long ago before the civil war most white people in the south thought slavery was good, this was their opinion. Today most everyone in the entire U.S. thinks slavery was evil, this is also their opinion. Evil only exists to you if you think it does, so does good! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Whoa there. Sure, fine, but isn’t god almighty? With him, people could have a clearer set of morals.
Well yes, but us humanoids are a naturally peaceful race. People only develop an unclear set of morals from bad experiences like being name-called, which is usually done by someone with an unclear set of morals. I guess you could say its contagious. Now can you agree with me! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Post 283 was directed towards post 282! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Wow, this thread has strong ideas!
What is the religion quiz?
I partially agree with Logogeo96.
While his/her theory makes sense, morally s/he is on thin ice.
That effectively negates the basic belief of all religion:
There is Good and there is Evil.
You want to be Good.
Our religion makes you Good.
All others are Evil.
With Good and Evil gone, that’s gone!
All and all, I stand with Logogeo96.
(For the top of the page, I am a Peaceful Atheist.)
285- How am I morally on thin ice?! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I completely agree with Logogeo96 about good and evil. And to The Bookworm, I would like to ask why it matters that Logo’s theory negates the basic belief of religion?
285- You can forget about being on the list any time soon the GAPAs haven’t updated it lately.
“We’re just lazy, I guess.”- Robert Coontz
I can’t belive UU wasn’t a catagory before I came (and that it still isn’t because the list hasn’t been updated)! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I’m going to play the Devil’s Advocate, i.e. argue the other side.
If there’s no good and no evil, then murdering people is okay, right?
I’m athiest. But, really, I don’t mind people who believe in God. It’s not that big of a deal for me, because they are perfectly entitled to their own beliefs. What bugs me, though, is when they try to force their beliefs on other people, or even just make people feel uncomfortable about their religion.
For instance, at my school there’s a girl who goes around sometimes asking everyone if they know that Jesus loves them. How am I supposed to respond to that, when, honestly, I don’t believe in Jesus? And, once, I was carpooling with a soccer teammate to a soccer tournament and her mom decided that it would be appropriate to pray. I don’t think she even knows that I’m an athiest, so I don’t think she was trying to make me feel uncomfortable at all, it was just a little…awkward.
289- Interesting point. Now here’s the problem: define good and evil. Are good and evil the same as right and wrong? Are ethics the same as morals?
Another question, this one about the top of the page: How is ‘No Religion’ different from ‘Atheist’?
292 – Atheist is the belief that there is no god – but there are still religions (such as Buddhism) that are atheist. No religion means that they are atheists practicing no religion.
293 (THF)- Not quite–for one thing, Buddhism is more agnostic than atheist. As the Buddha originally intended it, Buddhists believe that the existence and actions of a higher power would be incomprehensible to mortals, so they take no position on the matter. Some modern Buddhist sects worship the Buddha as a god, but that’s something rather different.
Atheism is not the same thing as a lack of religion. It’s possible to believe in God but not subscribe to any organized religious effort, or to be ambivalent on the matter.
I am very confused. My parents and grandparents are Catholic, and about 85% or Filipinos are Catholic, but God seems very unlikely.
My acquaintance (not a friend, but a friend of a friend) goes around and sings hymns sometimes. I feel slightly awkward and when it gets to the point that he says “I feel sorry for you because you are unsure of God” I feel bad. It’s nothing to be pitied about. It’s actually rather insulting when he says that.
283- Nooo, because god could have stopped bad morals in the first place!
Okay.
I have to admit something. I’m really not sure which category I’m in anymore. I don’t think I’m exactly atheist anymore, but I don’t exactly have conventional beliefs. I believe in three entities: Death(i.e. the Grim Reaper), Fate, and Love/Cupid/Aphrodite/Eros, etc.
Let me explain: Fate is a entity who controls everybody’s lives from afar. At each point in your life, you make a decision that will lead you down a certain path in life. You make the choices, but your entire life, including all possible choices and their outcomes has already been planned out. But you have the ability to decide which outcome you get.
Death/the Grim Reaper: everybody’s life is a certain length, like a string. When the person is born, Death lights a fire at the start of this string, and that will burn steadily until the end of the string, unless Fate intervenes. When the string has burnt completely, Death claims the person. However, there is no heaven/hell. Death claims a person by stealing their ‘life essence’, and the physical body stops functioning.
I’ll be back
289- Murdering people is a tragic expression of an unmet need. I repeat, humanoids are a naturally peaceful race. People only develop an unclear set of morals (and decide to murder someone) from bad experiences like being name-called, which is usually done by someone with an unclear set of morals. Murdering someone is a way for someone to meet their needs at the cost of others which is not desirable. In a completely peaceful world everyone would have their needs met most of the time, so nobody would have such a tragic expression of an unmet need. I need to go now my box is shrinking because I’m using IE7! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
296- But to error is human someone will always accidently do something that will not meet anothers needs in order for god to stop (bad) morals he would have to make not human mistakeless robots and a world like that would be very different! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
300th post 100 more to go! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I’m not saying good and evil don’t exist at all. I’m saying that they are a figment of human imagination! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Logogeo96, I know that this has nothing to do with religion, but putting a bunch of exclamation points at the end of your post makes it hard to take you seriously.
Did anybody read post 297?
301- I just did. I sort of almost agree with you. I don’t believe in any of those quite, but very close to it. And I just realized how very accurately your name reflects that.
What do I believe? I don’t know.
297 (La Mort)- Mm, that’s interesting. I think that humans in general believe in all three of those, to varying degrees, just not in particular physical manifestations the way you’ve presented them.
298 (WHY FOR EXCLAMATION POINTS)- I would argue with your point that humans are naturally peaceful–we’re not. We’re naturally competitive, just like any other species out there. Our version of competition just happens to be a very cooperative one at times.
303 – Mostly because our species has learned that by cooperating with other members of the species we can better compete.
303- I agree, but we’re peacefuly competetive! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
305 – I know people have said this before, but could you please try to use just one exclamation or question mark? It gets a little annoying.
This seems to be Locke Vs. That other guy.
um….logogeo 96…how did you get your own thread, where do you ask for one?
308- What?
305- Oops, that was me, Logogeo96! ! ! ! ! ! !
306- Don’t even ask, its not happening! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
310- *pies for rudeness.*
I, a PoPoPoOf Here by fine you 500 pieces of chocolate. these must be payed ever tim you use more then 3 !s
299- Different, yes, but only bad by the standards of our planet. In another world that god could create, the standards could be different.
300- Figments of imagination are made up! That’s what that means!
297- You’re right and wrong. What will happen will happen (duh) but you can’t know. And the death thing is a metaphor, right?
308-Do you mean the little thing that has the name next to it on the link? That is just whoever requested the thread to be on the main page this month.
Religion is confusing for me. I believe in science, but I don’t know if I believe in things that supposedly don’t exist like spirits. I think I feel what I believe in, but I can’t express it in words and make sense to anyone.
311- I’m handing over quintillions of chocolates so I wont have to pay every time! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
314- got it.
313- Nobody has scientificaly proved that
spirits and such don’t exist! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
im hindu!
my name should make that obvious!
yay
what i know of my religion (not some of the interpretations of it but what it SHOULD be) i completely agree with an believe.
i cant read all those old posts
but i believe in god like this: i think when humans die our soul or spirit (i havent decided which or what the difference is or if there is one) leaves our body and (REINCARNATIONNN :D) goes to a separate place (i guess another dimension would be the best way to describe it?) and then is soon brought back and born into another child (but now that i think of it, i shouldnt exclude all other celestial objects in our universe and any others that would have soul/spirit-carrying beings…and this includes animals, but not plants…not sure why). oh yeah, forgot god — i believe that god is a power or force that governs the creation and destruction of all that is real (and perhaps not real too?)
i should have paid attention more in philosophy this summer, im horrible at explaining myself.
Oh, I think they have.
OMG THATS ME ahha
shriya siolashrwa jeffica
ahahahahah
ok thats my name forget the hinduRTchoke, im dumb.
when did i say im hindu……
it has been so long! D: i dont know how i lived without museblog D:
318- no, They haven’t.
319 – Oh, really? That’s weird/cool.
Oh, and just a hint of advice: The “Latest Comments” sidebar only cuts off posts when there’s a period, so make sure you include periods in your posts so that it doesn’t get really long.
316-I know. I never said anyone proved they don’t exist, but noone has proved they have either. Lots of people in science would contend that they don’t exist, but they can only back it up with hunches.
318-Citation of the study please? If there was a conclusion to a scientific study, I’d be perfectly content with believing that the existence of spirits is fictional.
where do we go wen we die?
323- There are many opinions on what happens to the soul after death and you can find your own truth on (for that is the UU way)that but one thing I know for sure is that your body decomposes and enriches the soil for pants to grow! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Forgot to change to Logogeo96 who wrote
the previous post by Terra Firma! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
317- How can you prove concious reincarnation if you forget everything? Quite a coincedince, isn’t it? I much prefer unconsious reincarnation.
Spirits like gods: see every thing i’ve said on the last thred.
Spirits like souls: Your conciousness is caused by your brain, which dies when you do.
Spirits like nature ones that live in rocks and trees and everything else? You can’t prove them wrong, but there’s no reason to believe in them.
326- Did you know you have brain cells in not
only your brain but your heart and gut too! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
327- You mean neutrons, I believe. And yes, also in your arms and legs, for reflexes, not concious thinking.
328- wasn’t there a study that said that there was brain cells in your gut, thats were the “gut feelling” and “butterflies in your stomach” come from?
328- No, the cells in your gut & heart are for concious thinking! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
What do neutrons have to do with religion?
I’m really getting sick of all this “new” Catholicism. Most Catholic churches I have been to seem more like Episcopalian or Pentecostal. I’ve started going to the Traditional Latin Mass instead. It’s flamablamablous.
(331, 328) “Neutrons” must be a typo for neurons, or nerve cells.
It is, sorry.
330- No they aren’t! GAPAs, are they?
(333, 330) Rosanne knows more about both brains and bodies than I do, so maybe she should weigh in here. Certainly neurons exist in the brain, the gut, the heart, and just about everywhere else. And what we call “thinking” is bound to be a complicated process that could well involve senses and other information from outside the brain.
Still, I’ve never heard that brain cells involved in conscious thought are scattered around the body, and I’m curious about the source of Logogeo’s information.
334- I heard it from my mom who heard it from a friend,
maybe not the best source for information! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Maybe not! ! ! ! !
335, 336- Whee! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Sorry. *leaves*
Add me to “agnostic,” please.
Hi everyone! I feel slightly confused…perhaps i should join the church of the Carrot, just to stop feeling left out. Well no, not just because of that, it sounds interesting. There it is, I’ve converted!
339- Would it really be considered converting if before you didn’t have a religion?! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
336&337-Copiers! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
GAPAs- Will you (pwease pwetty pwease) update the list! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
340 – STOP WITH THE EXTRA PUNCTUATION. SERIOUSLY.
At any rate, I don’t believe in God. The evidence (to me) is overwhelming that He doesn’t exist. So there. No offense to anyone. Really.
340- No, not copiers. We’re being sarcastic. Please stop adding ! ! !’s to every sentence.
341- Nobody’s offended.
340- Copiers? Proudly! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! (‘cept not!)
341-I agree.
GAPAs- Thanks for updating the list
! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I’m very surprised no other UUs have showed up on the thread. Its very hard for me to belive there aren’t any other UU MBers considering the MUSE culture is so diverse! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Any other UU MBers- Please show yourselfs! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Ah. I like not offending anybody. It’s nice. It’s also nice having somebody agree with me for once.
Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, you need to update the list! (PWEASE? PWETTY PWEASE? COME ON! PWETTY PWETTY with chocolete fudge and sprinkles and frosting with a cherry on top?) And can you PWEASE put me on there?
346- They just updated the list why does it need to be updated! ! ! ! ! ! !
Hello people! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Someone I know took out his rosary during a KMO competition. Another girl said “Put it away. It could offend somebody.”
He said, “Who would it offend?”
She said, “Uh, maybe someone who doesn’t believe in God?”
“Who would possibly not believe in God and Jesus?”
“Uh, I’m atheist.”
Me: “I don’t really believe in God either.”
He starts waving around the rosary in front of me like I was a demon or something.
I hate insensitive people! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Why would the sight of a rosary offend somebody who isn’t Christian? I don’t believe in SpongeBob SquarePants, but it doesn’t offend me (much) when people wear T-shirts with his picture on them.
349 – I dunno. It’s just that he was waving it around and basically saying to the world “I rock. I have this. You don’t.”
He was being condescending about it, is all I’m trying to say.
Actually, on the list, please put me under “Catholic by birth, but unsure now” with Beavo.
347- well, at least two of those people have changed their names, so perhaps it should be updated.
(347) We don’t even try to keep up with name changes on this list.
353- You’ll be happy to know that I am remaining POSOC for the duration of my existence on the blog.
I’d just like to say “thanks” for listing Catholic under Christian. Most people treat it as its own seperate religion, not treating it as Christian. For instance: “Oh, are you Catholic or Christian?” “Both.”
I’m surprised there aren’t any Sikh on MB.
Happy Passover, all you Jews!
353- I’m staying The Man For Aeiou/TMFA.
353- i suppose i’ll go back to tumsy. i didn’t really like queen of mercury, anyhow.
now, religion: my mom says i have to take religious ed so i can get my confirmation, which makes me rather unhappy. the last time i took religious ed was at my old church, where there was a hypocritical nun and ignorant teachers, who didn’t actually teach us anything. if they really want us to learn about the religion, why don’t they just have us read the bible? i think that would save us a lot of trouble.
(357) Aww, Tumsy, you can change your name as you like (though I admit to being rather fond of “Tumsy”). I was referring merely to keeping up with the list on this thread.
(356) If you changed to something else, I think the earth would slip off its axis. Some things are just right.
(354) Thee art such a gentleman, if thee don’t mind my saying so. *curtsies*
(Before anyone tries to correct me, “thee” is Quaker usage, not Elizabethan, which would use “thou.” It’s simply as the sentence appeared in my mind, even if the result is something of a contradiction in terms.)
358- So the Quakers do use thee and thou differently!
I’ve considered making multiple personas, which are distinctly different from myself in all respects, just as a sort of experiment, to see who I fooled and to see if it helped in character development, but I decided not to as I could think of no easy way to do it. I couldn’t use a fake email address, because then the GAPAs might become suspicious of “me” (meaning the new persona), and I couldn’t use my alternate email address as it’s too similar to the one I use now and the GAPAs might ask me if I was Alice, which would utterly blow my cover. Then I thought I might email the GAPAs and tell them about my plan, but I was afraid they would start thinking I was some weird person who frequently lied about themselves on the internet.
The point of that long ramble was to say, I’ll never change my name.
(359) Yes, it’s part of what they call “plain speech.” Most of its usage died out by the end of the 19th century, though one still hears it from time to time, and some people still speak that way when they’re with other Quakers. From what I understand, many characteristics of Quaker speech, customs, and beliefs were regional in origin, shared by many of the early converts and from there became absorbed into general practice.
Oh Almighty Carrot! Speak to us, You Faithful Believers!
What’s That you say? Bow down? With pleasure *falls over*
Oh, darn…
355- It is surprising that there’s no known Sikh on MB! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
359- You should put that on the complaints and rants thread! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
362- It’s not a rant. Or a complaint. It was actually relevant to the discussion, in my head at least. Of course, we all know that my head can have odd ideas at times…
I am staying The Bookworm, but it would be nice if I could go on the list. I am an atheist, but I don’t try to enforce my beliefs on to anybody else. I have 3 major beliefs:
1) Be nice to people!
2) Don’t ever hurt people!
3) Just because you don’t believe the same things as someone else doesn’t mean you should not 1) to them and 2) to them!
Yay Bookworm! *applauds*
364-Yay!! I wish everyone had those beliefs.
355- It’s absurd. Even I have no doubt that catholocism is christianity. And sikhism is an extremely sound religion. The only thing i disagree with is the deity worship, and for a monotheistic god, Ek isn’t very involved with life. It’s rather sad that such a brilliant philosophy is rather unheard of in this world, while the dominant religions are… well, you get the idea.
BTW, someone on a previous thread called christians a minority. I trust nobody still thinks that… right?
364- I agree, but sometimes beliefs can be harmful. When christians diss gays, they say it’s just in their beliefs.
NOW can I be on the list?
(368) Under what category?
Can you put me under the church of carrot or Hindu?
Thankyou!
can I be on the list?
Hello.
I like seperation of church and state. It should be used more often.
Since when is stating/defending your religion part of presidental campaigning?
I understand that religion is important in America, but, as I have stated before, the only reason for religion to matter for a politician is if the religion will be an influence on the decisions made in office.
Obviously religion is not supposed to influence political decisions.
Discuss?
Yes, yes, yes!!! Religion should not affect politics!
374- I agree!
I mean, what if the government could send you to jail for believing in the Flying Spagetti Monster? That would be BAD.
375 – YES. Terrible.
*cough* Holocaust *cough*
373- I still just don’t get how Americas motto “In God We Trust” is O.K. with government, according to many court cases it is but its just bogus to think that somehow “In God We Trust” isn’t partial to the Christian religion and/or isn’t religious at all! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Yes. In God we Trust? God? What God?
377 – God implies religion as some Americans are atheists.
I know this is a bit picky, but I object to the classification of “Jewish atheist” in the list. Yes, I am a Jewish atheist, but the correct term would be Secular/Humanistic Judaism. You see, what branch of Judaism one falls under really refers to practice not belief. Therefore, it is entirely possible to be an Orthodox Jewish atheist (and there are some).
378- Yes its odd that way I forgot to mention that Ohio’s state motto is “With God all things are possible” very confusing.
322- I just realized (I feel kind of stupid because this is very elementary) that the idea of God/gods is just as unproven as the idea of spirits! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
378- According to the ”founding fathers” *is sarcastic*, the deist god.
My afterschool’s (kind of like a boardingschool, but not as conservative) motto is ‘God is Dead, Marx is Dead, and I’m doing Quite Well.’ which we (students) replace with ‘God is Dead, Marx is Dead, and I’m doing f****** well. ‘
375- *cough* enemy combatent *cough*
378-It is so hypocritical that we have separation between church and “In God we Trust”!
Also, religion had made good music.
We wouldn’t have “Godspell” without Christianity.
Also, the Ten Commandments are pretty solid values.
383- How many pieces of great religous art was really made by artists tripping on moldy bread? (a halucigenic mold was very common during the middle ages, apearing especially on rye.)
I didn’t know that.
It appears that I’m on The List as cHill. I have since changed my name, as you can tell.
Since you’ve been Vendaval now for a lot longer than you were cHill, I’ve changed it for you.
Thanks.
Somebody was wondering why there are so few Sikhs. Isn’t it strange there are so few Muslims too? Not proportional to the world pop. levels. I guess MB only samples computer owning kids who speak English.
Carrot are beautiful. All worship carrots.
Can we have a curch or the Carrot RPG thread?
389- Carrots are beautiful, tasty too, carrot juice is really good my beliefs as a UU are based on the Church of the Carrot! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
My last post- There should be a period between good and my! ! ! ! ! !
GAPAs- Its getting to be about time for a new thread! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Actually, there are over 300 posts! ! ! ! ! ! ! Do we have to get over 400?
[Golly, you’re right. Look at all the posts. Righto, one new thread, coming up! –Admin.]